Compass College and Seminary

abcaines said:
That clarifies the position as declared on your website.

In case you didn't see through the thin veil of my use of the term hypothetical (I was using it more tongue in cheek than anything) I am one of those Calvary Chapel types. I have been involved with CC congregations for over 20 years. I didn't start out seeking to get involved with CC but it was the only congregation in the area I was living in at the time that wasn't decidedly liberal but was still very active. I had been involved with one of those liberal congregations until the differences became such that I knew it was time to depart. I was looking to get back more to my fundamentalist roots. Once I got involved with the CC, I was shocked to discover they were closer to fundamentals than the Baptist Church I had been attending the previous 12 years before before moving out of the area I had previously lived in.

This post is getting long winded so I'll leave it with having scratched the surface. Suffice to say I was discipled in fundamentalism as a young believer and I have retained much of the core principles but I have also grown in my understanding of the Word and of His grace. I am open to always learning and being revised if necessary.
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I did, but that is why I was cautious. I try to operate from the perspective that people aren't trolling. (as you know, it is a popular past-time on forums like these) I try to intentionally live what I believe are biblical principles from Scriptures. (I Corinthians 13:7.) Believeth all things means to work from the perspective people are being honest, until they prove otherwise. God does want us to assume the best, guard from the worst.
 
HukNduck said:
I’m sure he’ll cry himself to sleep knowing that he doesn’t have the internet approval of the forum genius, Ekkk. 🙄
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Well, it may not be because of me, Mr. Ecclesiastical Klu Klux Klan, but the failure of this endeavor is manifest.
 
Ekklesian said:
Well, it may not be because of me, Mr. Ecclesiastical Klu Klux Klan, but the failure of this endeavor is manifest.
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Nonsense. They are just starting the school for crying out loud. It wouldn’t be the school for me, but I hope it’s successful and used by God to transform lives.
 
Ekklesian said:
Um, actually, that's foolishness, and love is not foolhardy.
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Ekklesian said:
I do not believe this.
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Ekklesian said:
This is the nail in the coffin for me.
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Why don't you just leave our new friend alone! He was gracious enough to come on here and answer whatever questions we had regarding their Bible College. This alone gives me a good bit of respect for Bro. Lengel. I think we can disagree with him without being overly contentious or ugly dontcha think? Seems to me someone here has a chip on their shoulder!

There is nothing wrong with having BIBLCIAL standards which reflect holy Christian living and an atmosphere conducive to one studying and preparing for the work of the ministry. Where things get messed up is when the focus is upon external things rather than matters of the heart. Many of the notable IFB Bible Colleges are guilty of this and I would hope that this new college would learn from such mistakes, pursue a different direction, and be focused upon the things that truly matter.

This College would likely not be my cup of tea but who am I to speak for others who believe the Lord may be leading them here.
 
Baptist Renegade said:
Why don't you just leave our new friend alone! He was gracious enough to come on here and answer whatever questions we had regarding their Bible College. This alone gives me a good bit of respect for Bro. Lengel. I think we can disagree with him without being overly contentious or ugly dontcha think? Seems to me someone here has a chip on their shoulder!
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After following the conversation the last couple of days, I made three statements, and two that identified the red flags for me. Where was I being overly contentious or ugly?

Baptist Renegade said:
There is nothing wrong with having BIBLCIAL standards which reflect holy Christian living and an atmosphere conducive to one studying and preparing for the work of the ministry.
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That is true. Where did I say that it was?

Baptist Renegade said:
Where things get messed up is when the focus is upon external things rather than matters of the heart. Many of the notable IFB Bible Colleges are guilty of this and I would hope that this new college would learn from such mistakes, pursue a different direction, and be focused upon the things that truly matter. This College would likely not be my cup of tea but who am I to speak for others who believe the Lord may be leading them here.
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Another place where things get messed up is in the bold text. It's a typical kink in fundamentalist thought, and, in my experience, in the thinking of a great majority of evangelicals as well. It was a kink in my thinking until my 30s, and it's the seed of the man'o'gawd syndrome, and that is the erroneous notion of the New Testament 'calling' of God.

Some people think they are called to do specific things, like preach, or pastor, comparing their service in those offices to the calling of the Apostles, and even to the Old Testament prophets.

But it's not true. Our calling is to obedience to the doctrines of Christ and to service. If one has a desire to serve in a particular capacity, he may if he is qualified and the church ordains him. But God does not call one to an office, as if it would be a faithless or disobedient act if he didn't serve in a certain capacity. And the privilege of serving in office is not without repentence as are the gifts and calling of God. One can lose that privilege permanently if he has fallen into reproach.

And so it is with issues of liberty of conscience, whether it's drinking wine or eating meat offered to idols. Paul didn't say anything about God's leading of any individual in those matters, but their service to God, and who are we to judge that?

And I'm not judging anyone in their choice of school, or for starting one. I just think don't think it will stand out from any of the others (I don't think I'm alone in that) and is destined to go the route every other institution so ridiculed here has gone. Their isolationist take on doctrinal purity pretty much guarantees it. In my estimation, anyway. That's all I said. And I said it in fewer words. And you think I'm being 'overly critical' and 'ugly?'

I think you're the one with a chip on his shoulder.
 
Ekklesian said:
After following the conversation the last couple of days, I made three statements, and two that identified the red flags for me. Where was I being overly contentious or ugly?


That is true. Where did I say that it was?


Another place where things get messed up is in the bold text. It's a typical kink in fundamentalist thought, and, in my experience, in the thinking of a great majority of evangelicals as well. It was a kink in my thinking until my 30s, and it's the seed of the man'o'gawd syndrome, and that is the erroneous notion of the New Testament 'calling' of God.

Some people think they are called to do specific things, like preach, or pastor, comparing their service in those offices to the calling of the Apostles, and even to the Old Testament prophets.

But it's not true. Our calling is to obedience to the doctrines of Christ and to service. If one has a desire to serve in a particular capacity, he may if he is qualified and the church ordains him. But God does not call one to an office, as if it would be a faithless or disobedient act if he didn't serve in a certain capacity. And the privilege of serving in office is not without repentence as are the gifts and calling of God. One can lose that privilege permanently if he has fallen into reproach.

And so it is with issues of liberty of conscience, whether it's drinking wine or eating meat offered to idols. Paul didn't say anything about God's leading of any individual in those matters, but their service to God, and who are we to judge that?

And I'm not judging anyone in their choice of school, or for starting one. I just think don't think it will stand out from any of the others (I don't think I'm alone in that) and is destined to go the route every other institution so ridiculed here has gone. Their isolationist take on doctrinal purity pretty much guarantees it. In my estimation, anyway. That's all I said. And I said it in fewer words. And you think I'm being 'overly critical' and 'ugly?'

I think you're the one with a chip on his shoulder.
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The point is, he’s just a nice old guy trying to help start a Christian college for young people. He came here hoping to attract a little attention for the school, not to get into heated theological debates with blowhards.
 
HukNduck said:
The point is, he’s just a nice old guy trying to help start a Christian college for young people. He came here hoping to attract a little attention for the school, not to get into heated theological debates with blowhards.
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I wasn't trying to engage anyone in any debate. And I didn't say anything about the guy. I made three matter-of-fact statements about my impressions (which is my right here) in none of which either you or BR can find fault.

The consensus here is that kjvo-ism is a cult. They are kjvo--real kjvo. The kind you call a cult. You absolutely shredded a guy for faulting a church that didn't observe ecclesiastical separation in a church sanctioned event, which your nice old guy said must be maintained. He said that that kind of "purity" also must be maintained without the church too, meaning, @abcaines , that you don't get to hang with any of them. Did you miss that?

In other words, their school is going to teach the very things you judge and mock and jeer at, but because I made a couple of matter-of-fact comments with absolutely no subtext, you ninnies get your panties in a twist and it's suddenly just a "Christian school for young people?" That ain't what it is. It's a seminary. And have you forgotten the contempt you expressed of the levels of the education of their faculty?

Now, notice, I haven't said a word about the man at all. He is very cordial. And I believe that everything he said, he said in good faith. But I don't believe everything he said.

Anyway, I said what said. I'll leave you and BR to untwist each other's shorts, which might be messy and somewhat unsanitary since you both just need to blow it out your rears. :poop:
 
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Ekklesian said:
Now, notice, I haven't said a word about the man at all. He is very cordial. And I believe that everything he said, he said in good faith. But I don't believe everything he said.
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OK, Dr. Contradictory.
 
Ekklesian said:
He said that that kind of "purity" also must be maintained without the church too, meaning, @abcaines , that you don't get to hang with any of them. Did you miss that?
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I had a private discussion with him about this very subject. I came clean with him about who I am and where I stand. We have mutual respect for one another.

I'll admit I thought the position as stated on the website was extreme but an investigation of the truth of the matter is a little more balanced. I still think it's not smart trying to come off that extreme but then again, I'm not the one he answers to.

You all will be relieved to hear that he doesn't intend to hang around here thanks in large part to the reception he has received.

You know I find it ironic that your attitude toward the position stated on the website to be a perfect mirror of that very position: one of maintaining a separation from those who differ.

Another bridge burned. Well done thou good and faithful servant.
 
abcaines said:
I had a private discussion with him about this very subject. I came clean with him about who I am and where I stand. We have mutual respect for one another.

I'll admit I thought the position as stated on the website was extreme but an investigation of the truth of the matter is a little more balanced. I still think it's not smart trying to come off that extreme but then again, I'm not the one he answers to.

You all will be relieved to hear that he doesn't intend to hang around here thanks in large part to the reception he has received.

You know I find it ironic that your attitude toward the position stated on the website to be a perfect mirror of that very position: one of maintaining a separation from those who differ.

Another bridge burned. Well done thou good and faithful servant.
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Before he goes, tell him to send his pupils here. They’ll get a real education then, sort of.🤣
 
FSSL said:
For accuracy sake, the statement is TR-only. For that reason they only use the KJV.
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Very insightful comment. However, I would quibble with that, and say that the majority of the brainwashed group wouldn’t have a clue what that means. That (more cult-like faction) believe in the KJB, and don’t give a flying flip about manuscript families, except for in regard to checking their brain at the door and believing whatever their mannagawd tells them what to think.
 
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