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Re: Mrs. Hyles and the kids
« Reply #280 on: May 09, 2013, 04:43:22 PM »
I have watched services from non-Baptist churches.

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Re: Mrs. Hyles and the kids
« Reply #281 on: May 09, 2013, 08:06:40 PM »



I can assure you that Jerry would be very comfortable with the atmosphere at Thomas Road today, it really isn't that much different now than when he was alive.

CCM is in the eye of the beholder...many who have contemporary services wouldn't call First Dallas or Thomas Road contemporary.
Maybe Pate will weigh in on that.

The music in that video was similar to our services and we aren't contemporary by the true contemporary standards. I found it interesting that you call it out of your comfort zone.

As Jaroslav Pelikan has said, "Tradition is the living faith of the dead, traditionalism is the dead faith of the living."  Sometimes, we get those confused, I'm afraid.

It had been quite a few years since I had watched a service from TR.  I remember as a teen watching services.  This was quite different.  :)

Yes, it was out of my comfort zone.  I'm not a fan of praise and worship teams.  I have watched services from non-Baptist churches.  This was a lot like those services.


I understand, my mother feels the same way about our services :D.
I did not mean to attack you, at all, just an observation from my position in the middle of the road....a compromiser by IFB standards.  :)
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Re: Mrs. Hyles and the kids
« Reply #282 on: May 09, 2013, 08:50:49 PM »


Yes. I attend Thomas Road here in Lynchburg, VA. I like that Jonathon Falwell sits on the front row until he gets up to preach. No rows of chairs for the pastors to sit up in front and look down at the congregation. I'm not saying that's wrong but I like that the last three churches I have been in the last 30 years have all been similar. I really liked the church I attended in Raleigh where the pastor stood at the front door and greeted everyone as they came through the door until it was almost time for the sermon even though it was a couple thousand people. Very humble man.

I was sick on a Sunday a few month back.  I turned on the tv to catch a church service.  I was excited to see that Thomas Road's service was available.  John, I have WAY too much IFB in me to enjoy that type of service.  It was like watching a non-denominational service.  I believe even Jerry may be rolling over in his grave.  I'm glad you enjoy it, it pushes my IFB comfort zone a bit too much.  :)


I can assure you that Jerry would be very comfortable with the atmosphere at Thomas Road today, it really isn't that much different now than when he was alive.

CCM is in the eye of the beholder...many who have contemporary services wouldn't call First Dallas or Thomas Road contemporary.
Maybe Pate will weigh in on that.

The music in that video was similar to our services and we aren't contemporary by the true contemporary standards. I found it interesting that you call it out of your comfort zone.

As Jaroslav Pelikan has said, "Tradition is the living faith of the dead, traditionalism is the dead faith of the living."  Sometimes, we get those confused, I'm afraid.

I saw that quote today too. Good blog by Stetzer.

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Re: Mrs. Hyles and the kids
« Reply #283 on: May 09, 2013, 09:37:38 PM »


Yes. I attend Thomas Road here in Lynchburg, VA. I like that Jonathon Falwell sits on the front row until he gets up to preach. No rows of chairs for the pastors to sit up in front and look down at the congregation. I'm not saying that's wrong but I like that the last three churches I have been in the last 30 years have all been similar. I really liked the church I attended in Raleigh where the pastor stood at the front door and greeted everyone as they came through the door until it was almost time for the sermon even though it was a couple thousand people. Very humble man.


I was sick on a Sunday a few month back.  I turned on the tv to catch a church service.  I was excited to see that Thomas Road's service was available.  John, I have WAY too much IFB in me to enjoy that type of service.  It was like watching a non-denominational service.  I believe even Jerry may be rolling over in his grave.  I'm glad you enjoy it, it pushes my IFB comfort zone a bit too much.  :)



I can assure you that Jerry would be very comfortable with the atmosphere at Thomas Road today, it really isn't that much different now than when he was alive.

CCM is in the eye of the beholder...many who have contemporary services wouldn't call First Dallas or Thomas Road contemporary.
Maybe Pate will weigh in on that.

The music in that video was similar to our services and we aren't contemporary by the true contemporary standards. I found it interesting that you call it out of your comfort zone.

As Jaroslav Pelikan has said, "Tradition is the living faith of the dead, traditionalism is the dead faith of the living."  Sometimes, we get those confused, I'm afraid.


I saw that quote today too. Good blog by Stetzer.


True that...and I'm usually not a Stetzer fan.

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Re: Mrs. Hyles and the kids
« Reply #284 on: May 09, 2013, 10:05:18 PM »


Yes. I attend Thomas Road here in Lynchburg, VA. I like that Jonathon Falwell sits on the front row until he gets up to preach. No rows of chairs for the pastors to sit up in front and look down at the congregation. I'm not saying that's wrong but I like that the last three churches I have been in the last 30 years have all been similar. I really liked the church I attended in Raleigh where the pastor stood at the front door and greeted everyone as they came through the door until it was almost time for the sermon even though it was a couple thousand people. Very humble man.

I was sick on a Sunday a few month back.  I turned on the tv to catch a church service.  I was excited to see that Thomas Road's service was available.  John, I have WAY too much IFB in me to enjoy that type of service.  It was like watching a non-denominational service.  I believe even Jerry may be rolling over in his grave.  I'm glad you enjoy it, it pushes my IFB comfort zone a bit too much.  :)

LOL!  I understand.

Yes, as Tarheel mentioned Jerry would have been ok with it. He was always ahead of most IFB churches (when TRBC was still IFB) on the music issue, even when they were still very conservative musically.

They had Doug Oldham way back in the 70's who then would have been considered "contemporary" among many IFB's and he sang in many places IFB's would not have approved of like Billy Graham crusades and some charismatic churches.

Then the college had some various groups that were "jazzier" than other IFB colleges. I remember my former father-in-law complaining in 1983 about the "rocky music" they sang in the church services at TRBC he watched on TV. (Met his daughter at Liberty). When I was there in the early 80's though we still couldn't listen to music from Christian rock bands like Petra or whoever else was popular then and the newer version of the Imperials with Russ Taff was still pretty taboo with most RA's although Amy Grant and Dallas Holm kind of stuff was ok.

A lot changed in the late 80's and early 90's, especially when soon to be Christian "mega-group" DC Talk came out of Liberty (independently of the school). They became a source of pride for the school and I'm sure for Jerry. The kids options were opened up to a wider variety of music as people realized there were a lot of good believers making great, albeit it a different style of music, with hair length that might not match the code at Liberty. The concerts started changing and more and more Christian artists and bands included Liberty alum. (I took my oldest daughter to a concert at the college with DC Talk and The Newsboys. They were rocking with the great light effects, etc. and they got Jerry out on the stage...EARLY in the concert :) and they were joking around with him about if he could dance or something like that. He didn't stay long and I'm sure no one expected him too. LOL Didn't mind it for others but definitely not his music.) The long-time music director/pastor at the college and the church retired (but stuck around) and the college "chorale" groups didn't sing in TRBC as much as they used to and the church started using praise teams. They had a couple different worship leaders then settled on Charles Billingsly. Jerry loved him. Billingsly was wooed out to CA to David Jeremiah's church but Jerry stole him back a couple of years later (much to the chagrin of Jeremiah) and he's still there today.

Jerry always believed that sports and music was a "universal language" that young people gravitated to and he was willing to be flexible and change. I certainly understand it's not for everyone. Just as there are many type of people and personalities there are many type of churches.
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Re: Mrs. Hyles and the kids
« Reply #285 on: May 10, 2013, 04:22:04 AM »
Question:


Why does bgwilkinson keep reposting the same posts later in a thread? We heard you the first time, sir?

Because he wants us all to know how bad Dr. Hyles' ministry was.

SO bad that he stayed there through it all?  20, 30 years, maybe more?

Yes, but now he has fresh insight and he is proud of Mrs. Hyles for attending a church that uses CCM.  :)
Ah, yes, and because the iconic, sinless virgin Beverly attends an SBC, it is a telling condemnation of all things IFB!
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Re: Mrs. Hyles and the kids
« Reply #286 on: May 10, 2013, 09:34:15 AM »

I understand, my mother feels the same way about our services :D.
I did not mean to attack you, at all, just an observation from my position in the middle of the road....a compromiser by IFB standards.  :)
I've been accused of waffling because I'm too fundy for the free birds and too freebird for the fundys......

No problem.  I did not look at anything you said as an attack.

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Re: Mrs. Hyles and the kids
« Reply #287 on: May 10, 2013, 09:50:12 AM »

Ah, yes, and because the iconic, sinless virgin Beverly attends an SBC, it is a telling condemnation of all things IFB!

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.
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Re: Mrs. Hyles and the kids
« Reply #288 on: May 10, 2013, 10:19:50 AM »

As "Independent baptist" pastors & churches we sure seem to spend a lot of time telling other "Independent baptist" what music they should have and what ministries are best and how they should run their churches.

I think we have forgotten what our true calling "commission" is.

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Re: Mrs. Hyles and the kids
« Reply #289 on: May 10, 2013, 10:45:55 AM »

As "Independent baptist" pastors & churches we sure seem to spend a lot of time telling other "Independent baptist" what music they should have and what ministries are best and how they should run their churches.

I think we have forgotten what our true calling "commission" is.

Even though the name "Independent Baptist" carries the idea that everyone decides the way they should carry on the ministry, it is not so.  Southern Baptists are known for certain things.  Independent Baptist are no different.  IFB are known for soul winning, dress standards, preaching, busses, conservative music, etc.  Not saying that it is right or wrong - just the facts.  :)