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Re: The Punishment of Jack Schaap
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2013, 02:18:48 AM »
I hope he serves the least amount of time legally possible, and then gets out and serves quietly as a chaplain in a rescue mission somewhere without ever gracing another national conference or Bible college class platform.

You think he still meets the Biblical requirements for a pastor!?!?  :o :o :o

? How in the world could you possibly get that out of my post? Honestly, sometimes I think the reading comprehension level around here is daycare equivalent...
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« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2013, 02:20:56 AM »

Naive candidate number one : Tom Brennan. 



I said 'hope' not 'will'... unfortunately.
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Re: The Punishment of Jack Schaap
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2013, 08:11:06 AM »
I hope he serves the least amount of time legally possible, and then gets out and serves quietly as a chaplain in a rescue mission somewhere without ever gracing another national conference or Bible college class platform.

You think he still meets the Biblical requirements for a pastor!?!?  :o :o :o

? How in the world could you possibly get that out of my post? Honestly, sometimes I think the reading comprehension level around here is daycare equivalent...

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Re: The Punishment of Jack Schaap
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2013, 10:10:39 AM »
I hope he serves the least amount of time legally possible, and then gets out and serves quietly as a chaplain in a rescue mission somewhere without ever gracing another national conference or Bible college class platform.

You think he still meets the Biblical requirements for a pastor!?!?  :o :o :o

? How in the world could you possibly get that out of my post? Honestly, sometimes I think the reading comprehension level around here is daycare equivalent...

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Re: The Punishment of Jack Schaap
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2013, 11:15:12 AM »
..thinking folks...

Nice disclaimer!

It is obvious many posting here want Schaap to be "finished" serving God.  At least that's my perception.  Thankfully that's not always God's perception.  Several in Scripture have done "worse" (if you can qualify levels of sin) and continued on, but of course they paid a price for their sin (David comes to mind).

Would anyone here grumble if Schaap were to minister to those inside prison walls or is he "finished" there as well?  I often wonder if Joe Combs is helping others in prison.  I hope so.

Having done prison/jail work for over 10 years, I've seen many "fallen" believers who have helped others in prison.  While I do believe that Schaap is finished in the pastorate, I thank God that He will (if Schaap's heart is right) probably give him opportunity in prison, maybe even preach in the prison chapel or leading a Bible study.  Will we complain if that becomes the case?  I trow not.

Most of our complaints are fleshly in nature.  If we were in Schaaps shoes, we would want mercy and grace from God.  Why would we deny him that?

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Re: The Punishment of Jack Schaap
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2013, 11:21:56 AM »
..thinking folks...

Nice disclaimer!

It is obvious many posting here want Schaap to be "finished" serving God.  At least that's my perception.  Thankfully that's not always God's perception.  Several in Scripture have done "worse" (if you can qualify levels of sin) and continued on, but of course they paid a price for their sin (David comes to mind).

Would anyone here grumble if Schaap were to minister to those inside prison walls or is he "finished" there as well?  I often wonder if Joe Combs is helping others in prison.  I hope so.

Having done prison/jail work for over 10 years, I've seen many "fallen" believers who have helped others in prison.  While I do believe that Schaap is finished in the pastorate, I thank God that He will (if Schaap's heart is right) probably give him opportunity in prison, maybe even preach in the prison chapel or leading a Bible study.  Will we complain if that becomes the case?  I trow not.

Most of our complaints are fleshly in nature.  If we were in Schaaps shoes, we would want mercy and grace from God.  Why would we deny him that?

Good post. 

We must stop seeking revenge and the destruction of another in self-vindication.  We are redeemed, not better.  Let the redeemed of the Lord say so - which means that we recognize our position without Christ - very humbling.

However IFB-X, you must understand that that large green head of yours allows you to understand on a different plane!
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Re: The Punishment of Jack Schaap
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2013, 12:16:48 PM »
I don't want him to be in front of a church spewing his trash ............that's all I'm saying!!

After he serves 10 years let him serve in the rescue mission in Chicago........not in front of young people ................

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Re: The Punishment of Jack Schaap
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2013, 12:33:32 PM »
..thinking folks...


Nice disclaimer!

It is obvious many posting here want Schaap to be "finished" serving God.  At least that's my perception.  Thankfully that's not always God's perception.  Several in Scripture have done "worse" (if you can qualify levels of sin) and continued on, but of course they paid a price for their sin (David comes to mind).

Would anyone here grumble if Schaap were to minister to those inside prison walls or is he "finished" there as well?  I often wonder if Joe Combs is helping others in prison.  I hope so.

Having done prison/jail work for over 10 years, I've seen many "fallen" believers who have helped others in prison.  While I do believe that Schaap is finished in the pastorate, I thank God that He will (if Schaap's heart is right) probably give him opportunity in prison, maybe even preach in the prison chapel or leading a Bible study.  Will we complain if that becomes the case?  I trow not.

Most of our complaints are fleshly in nature.  If we were in Schaaps shoes, we would want mercy and grace from God.  Why would we deny him that?


I don't think any here think that....well except for that one guy up there ^^^^

A lot depends on how Schaap responds to this....and if the real crime comes to light.  I can not put my finger on it, but there is something not right with this whole thing and personally I think there are some in a position of authority at FBCH that are still keeping their lips shut.  There are definitely some questions with regards to finances/spending/debt that have yet to be answered.  The FBI spent quite a bit of time combing through things at the church, including the financials, then the plea comes in like gangbusters and it all stops.  There is no explanation to the members to what happened to the millions that DeCoster gave, no explanation as to how Schaap could afford the Crete house, the expansive remodeling at the Dyer house, why the Deacons allowed things to be so lackadaisical that millions could be spent without inquiry, why Lapina said what he said to the members on Sunday morning that was proven to be an outright lie and the start of a cover-up.

In order for a relationship to be restored, there needs to be a point of confession, repentance, and restoration. Half-truths will make for a shaky process that will most likely fail.  I hope that he can recover and find his niche where he can help those in need, whether it is in a prision ministry (where he has a captive audience ) or in a rescue mission using his testimony and experience as hope for those who need it....but it requires humility, servitude, a contrite spirit...that which have not been Schaap's strong suit.  A pastorate is out of the question, and if he has truly repented and sorrowful for his actions, it will not be an issue since he will not seek such a position.
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Re: The Punishment of Jack Schaap
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2013, 02:41:24 PM »
..thinking folks...

Nice disclaimer!

It is obvious many posting here want Schaap to be "finished" serving God.  At least that's my perception.  Thankfully that's not always God's perception.  Several in Scripture have done "worse" (if you can qualify levels of sin) and continued on, but of course they paid a price for their sin (David comes to mind).

Would anyone here grumble if Schaap were to minister to those inside prison walls or is he "finished" there as well?  I often wonder if Joe Combs is helping others in prison.  I hope so.

Having done prison/jail work for over 10 years, I've seen many "fallen" believers who have helped others in prison.  While I do believe that Schaap is finished in the pastorate, I thank God that He will (if Schaap's heart is right) probably give him opportunity in prison, maybe even preach in the prison chapel or leading a Bible study.  Will we complain if that becomes the case?  I trow not.

Most of our complaints are fleshly in nature.  If we were in Schaaps shoes, we would want mercy and grace from God.  Why would we deny him that?

Good post.  This is the direction I was going with my OP.  Let the judicial system do their job.  Let Christian folk help where they can.  Pray for the least amount of punishment to accomplish repentance and restitution.  Allow God to use Jack Schaap in an area where he is Biblically qualified.  I'm sure there will have to be a proving and waiting period.  How silly is it for us to act like Schaap's life is over and God cannot use him in some way.

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Re: The Punishment of Jack Schaap
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2013, 02:45:14 PM »
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A lot depends on how Schaap responds to this....and if the real crime comes to light.  I can not put my finger on it, but there is something not right with this whole thing and personally I think there are some in a position of authority at FBCH that are still keeping their lips shut.  There are definitely some questions with regards to finances/spending/debt that have yet to be answered.  The FBI spent quite a bit of time combing through things at the church, including the financials, then the plea comes in like gangbusters and it all stops.  There is no explanation to the members to what happened to the millions that DeCoster gave, no explanation as to how Schaap could afford the Crete house, the expansive remodeling at the Dyer house, why the Deacons allowed things to be so lackadaisical that millions could be spent without inquiry, why Lapina said what he said to the members on Sunday morning that was proven to be an outright lie and the start of a cover-up.

I could not agree more. They are counting on the facts:  A) The members have no voice  B) The members have no memory   C) The members are in a coma  D) The members will never, ever ask any questions.