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Title: Description?
Post by: Binaca Chugger on April 08, 2013, 03:39:55 AM
I know very little about this school.  Anybody got a description that would be understandable by an old HACker?
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Just me on April 25, 2013, 05:44:53 AM
I know very little about this school.  Anybody got a description that would be understandable by an old HACker?

Sadly, slowly going the direction of Hyles Anderson.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Binaca Chugger on April 25, 2013, 08:40:20 AM
I know very little about this school.  Anybody got a description that would be understandable by an old HACker?

Sadly, slowly going the direction of Hyles Anderson.

That's curious.  I have only heard the pastor there preach one time, but he made much of his sermon a rip on JH for trying to motivate people to go soul winning.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Just me on April 25, 2013, 09:54:02 AM
I know very little about this school.  Anybody got a description that would be understandable by an old HACker?

Sadly, slowly going the direction of Hyles Anderson.

That's curious.  I have only heard the pastor there preach one time, but he made much of his sermon a rip on JH for trying to motivate people to go soul winning.

What "pastor" was that?   Sam Davison?  Because the college is not officially associated with any one church although SWBC in Okc is extremely tied to it.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Binaca Chugger on April 25, 2013, 10:43:30 AM
I know very little about this school.  Anybody got a description that would be understandable by an old HACker?

Sadly, slowly going the direction of Hyles Anderson.

That's curious.  I have only heard the pastor there preach one time, but he made much of his sermon a rip on JH for trying to motivate people to go soul winning.

What "pastor" was that?   Sam Davison?  Because the college is not officially associated with any one church although SWBC in Okc is extremely tied to it.

I believe it was Sam Davison - it was a few years ago.  Not associated with any one church???  I thought it was a part of the ministry of that church?  Like I said, I don't know much about it.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Just me on April 25, 2013, 10:53:16 AM
I know very little about this school.  Anybody got a description that would be understandable by an old HACker?

Sadly, slowly going the direction of Hyles Anderson.

That's curious.  I have only heard the pastor there preach one time, but he made much of his sermon a rip on JH for trying to motivate people to go soul winning.

What "pastor" was that?   Sam Davison?  Because the college is not officially associated with any one church although SWBC in Okc is extremely tied to it.

I believe it was Sam Davison - it was a few years ago.  Not associated with any one church???  I thought it was a part of the ministry of that church?  Like I said, I don't know much about it.

Sam Davison stepped down from being the Pastor of Southwest Baptist 2 years ago and turned it over to Jason Gaddis.  Sam Davison did remain as the president of Heatland but they claim no one church affiliation.  They are not like OBC, located less than 2 miles up the road from them, which is a direct ministry of Windsor Hills Baptist Church.

Of course SWBC is loaded with Sunday School teachers who are students at Heartland as well as bus workers who are also Hearland students.   As welll as the balcony at SWBC is full every service with the Heartland college kids.    go figure
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Binaca Chugger on April 25, 2013, 10:59:18 AM
I know very little about this school.  Anybody got a description that would be understandable by an old HACker?

Sadly, slowly going the direction of Hyles Anderson.

That's curious.  I have only heard the pastor there preach one time, but he made much of his sermon a rip on JH for trying to motivate people to go soul winning.

What "pastor" was that?   Sam Davison?  Because the college is not officially associated with any one church although SWBC in Okc is extremely tied to it.

I believe it was Sam Davison - it was a few years ago.  Not associated with any one church???  I thought it was a part of the ministry of that church?  Like I said, I don't know much about it.

Sam Davison stepped down from being the Pastor of Southwest Baptist 2 years ago and turned it over to Jason Gaddis.  Sam Davison did remain as the president of Heatland but they claim no one church affiliation.  They are not like OBC, located less than 2 miles up the road from them, which is a direct ministry of Windsor Hills Baptist Church.

Of course SWBC is loaded with Sunday School teachers who are students at Heartland as well as bus workers who are also Hearland students.   As welll as the balcony at SWBC is full every service with the Heartland college kids.    go figure

But no affiliation?  Interesting.  Maybe Mr. Davison didn't like Bro. Hyles promotion of numbers, but it sounds like he is duplicating the number factory.

So, who is in charge of the college?  How would it relate to old school HAC?
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Just me on April 25, 2013, 11:17:54 AM
Sam Davison is the president of the college but he travels alot.  The men and women running the place are a collection from various places.  Unfortunatlely their rulebook continues to increase in size and ridiculousness and their enforcement is going the IFBx route of control and manipulation.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Binaca Chugger on April 25, 2013, 01:29:33 PM
Sam Davison is the president of the college but he travels alot.  The men and women running the place are a collection from various places.  Unfortunatlely their rulebook continues to increase in size and ridiculousness and their enforcement is going the IFBx route of control and manipulation.

Soooo.......   Very similar to what I would be accustomed to?  Interesting.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Just me on April 26, 2013, 08:00:26 PM
Sam Davison is the president of the college but he travels alot.  The men and women running the place are a collection from various places.  Unfortunatlely their rulebook continues to increase in size and ridiculousness and their enforcement is going the IFBx route of control and manipulation.

Soooo.......   Very similar to what I would be accustomed to?  Interesting.

Well then it's settled.  Send your kids.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Vandal on April 28, 2013, 10:24:02 PM
The Church I got saved in (Liberty Baptist Church, Lewisville Tx) is affiliated with Heartland. Heartland is where they send their preacher boys.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: jarhed on June 15, 2013, 04:17:20 AM
Well, let me clear the air.  Anyone at Heartland will tell you that they are a ministry of SWBC.  That is first.  Second:  There is NO LIKENESS with HAC.  The "girls" don't sing the praises of the "MAN-A-GAWD,"  there is no perversion on staff, and the teaching of preaching is centered around STUDY and EXPOSITION, rather than "now put your Bibles down and listen to me!"  Men are not lifted up...the LORD is lifted up.  The rules are not ridiculous, rather, they are practical.  I am very pleased with the growth of my daughter at Heartland, the attitude and professionalism of the staff, and the love they have for the students.

BTW:  The school up the road is basically the same cult it has always been...a crude copy of HAC, predicated on lies (JV) and mind control, ripped by sex scandals, and a destroyer of people and families.  You are right when you say that OBC and HBBC are NOTHING like each other.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Just me on June 15, 2013, 06:38:04 PM
Go to the following link on Heatlands official web site.

http://www.heartlandbaptist.edu/626589.ihtml (http://www.heartlandbaptist.edu/626589.ihtml)

At the bottom of the page it says this:

Approvals                                                                               

Heartland Baptist Bible College seeks no national or regional accreditation, but seeks only God’s approval. The college chooses to be accredited by the pastors and churches that support the college and other who are part of the “Friends of Heartland,” which is a loose affiliation of pastors, missionaries, evangelists, and other individuals, who by choice, share a common interest in accomplishing the purposes of Heartland Baptist Bible College.

Heartland is an independent educational institution, not governed by any convention or religious movement or fellowship, and the college chooses to remain independent of any governmental or quasi-governmental controls and approvals.



Although I agree Heatland is deeply tied to Southwest Baptist Church.  Heartland does not acknowledge that association.  It claims independence.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: JustABigKid on June 17, 2013, 12:49:46 AM
Well, let me clear the air.  Anyone at Heartland will tell you that they are a ministry of SWBC.  That is first.  Second:  There is NO LIKENESS with HAC.  The "girls" don't sing the praises of the "MAN-A-GAWD,"  there is no perversion on staff, and the teaching of preaching is centered around STUDY and EXPOSITION, rather than "now put your Bibles down and listen to me!"  Men are not lifted up...the LORD is lifted up.  The rules are not ridiculous, rather, they are practical.  I am very pleased with the growth of my daughter at Heartland, the attitude and professionalism of the staff, and the love they have for the students.

BTW:  The school up the road is basically the same cult it has always been...a crude copy of HAC, predicated on lies (JV) and mind control, ripped by sex scandals, and a destroyer of people and families.  You are right when you say that OBC and HBBC are NOTHING like each other.

Curious to know exactly what you are talking about with the red highlighted part of the comment?
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: jarhed on June 24, 2013, 09:16:18 PM
Really...did you just arrive on planet Earth?  The "culture" at HBC = that of WHBC.  That is well established.  Both places have also sent their predators forth, whenever possible, to prey on other sheep.  Unfortunately for him, JS is now prey, rather than predator...but rest assured, if not for the bars of iron, he would be "leading" a flock somewhere! 
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: JustABigKid on June 25, 2013, 01:57:47 PM
Really...did you just arrive on planet Earth?  The "culture" at HBC = that of WHBC.  That is well established.  Both places have also sent their predators forth, whenever possible, to prey on other sheep.  Unfortunately for him, JS is now prey, rather than predator...but rest assured, if not for the bars of iron, he would be "leading" a flock somewhere!

I know that the "culture" is the same. I lived in it for quite a while. The question on the sex scandal is what I was wondering about. I have heard of problems but no sex scandals have come up unless you would like to enlighten us. I don't disagree with you on how they have hurt so many.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: jarhed on July 03, 2013, 09:37:49 PM
I'll get you started in the right direction...research they're past music leaders.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: 16KJV11 on July 04, 2013, 10:16:21 AM
Sam Davison is the president of the college but he travels alot.  The men and women running the place are a collection from various places.  Unfortunatlely their rulebook continues to increase in size and ridiculousness and their enforcement is going the IFBx route of control and manipulation.
Well, let me clear the air.  Anyone at Heartland will tell you that they are a ministry of SWBC.  That is first.  Second:  There is NO LIKENESS with HAC.  The "girls" don't sing the praises of the "MAN-A-GAWD,"  there is no perversion on staff, and the teaching of preaching is centered around STUDY and EXPOSITION, rather than "now put your Bibles down and listen to me!"  Men are not lifted up...the LORD is lifted up.  The rules are not ridiculous, rather, they are practical.  I am very pleased with the growth of my daughter at Heartland, the attitude and professionalism of the staff, and the love they have for the students.

BTW:  The school up the road is basically the same cult it has always been...a crude copy of HAC, predicated on lies (JV) and mind control, ripped by sex scandals, and a destroyer of people and families.  You are right when you say that OBC and HBBC are NOTHING like each other.

Curious to know exactly what you are talking about with the red highlighted part of the comment?

One man's cult is another man's paradise! :D
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Just me on July 04, 2013, 09:23:56 PM
I'll get you started in the right direction...research they're past music leaders.

Well they have had the same music leader now for around 30 years. So that would be difficult.

So, jarhed, you put the accusation out there.  Back it up. Although I doubt you can.
Title: What is your motive, people?
Post by: eastsideyouthpastor on July 28, 2013, 11:17:35 PM
Heartland Baptist Bible College is NOT associated with FBC of Hammond. It is really not associated with any church. Sam Davison, the president of the school, is the Pastor Emeritus of Southwest Baptist Church (SW OKC). Students have the liberty to choose which church they want to attend. Roughly 70% of the full-time students attend SWBC because it is close and there are plenty of opportunities to serve. Sam Davison and Jason Gaddis (the current Pastor) DO NOT persuade the students to attend at SWBC. There are plenty of great churches in the area.

Second, the "rule book" is not a law book. It is just a set of guidelines that every student agrees to follow.

The focus is on the Word of God preached in its context in an expository format. The Homiletics classes are phenomenal. This school really expresses its love of God's Word. The staff are all strong leaders that have the same vision. I stand up to anyone who would speak ill of any of them.

I love Heartland Baptist Bible College and I believe it is the premier Bible College in America as far as preaching goes.

-A 2011 HBBC Graduate
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Walt on October 21, 2017, 10:04:12 PM
Well, let me clear the air.  Anyone at Heartland will tell you that they are a ministry of SWBC.  That is first.  Second:  There is NO LIKENESS with HAC.  The "girls" don't sing the praises of the "MAN-A-GAWD,"  there is no perversion on staff, and the teaching of preaching is centered around STUDY and EXPOSITION, rather than "now put your Bibles down and listen to me!"  Men are not lifted up...the LORD is lifted up.  The rules are not ridiculous, rather, they are practical.  I am very pleased with the growth of my daughter at Heartland, the attitude and professionalism of the staff, and the love they have for the students.

BTW:  The school up the road is basically the same cult it has always been...a crude copy of HAC, predicated on lies (JV) and mind control, ripped by sex scandals, and a destroyer of people and families.  You are right when you say that OBC and HBBC are NOTHING like each other.

This is also what I've heard.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Saved by Grace on October 26, 2017, 02:14:56 PM
Well, let me clear the air.  Anyone at Heartland will tell you that they are a ministry of SWBC.  That is first.  Second:  There is NO LIKENESS with HAC.  The "girls" don't sing the praises of the "MAN-A-GAWD,"  there is no perversion on staff, and the teaching of preaching is centered around STUDY and EXPOSITION, rather than "now put your Bibles down and listen to me!"  Men are not lifted up...the LORD is lifted up.  The rules are not ridiculous, rather, they are practical.  I am very pleased with the growth of my daughter at Heartland, the attitude and professionalism of the staff, and the love they have for the students.

BTW:  The school up the road is basically the same cult it has always been...a crude copy of HAC, predicated on lies (JV) and mind control, ripped by sex scandals, and a destroyer of people and families.  You are right when you say that OBC and HBBC are NOTHING like each other.



Are you talking about the song leader at WHBC before Bro Van Manen
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: AlvinMartinezVoice on November 09, 2017, 02:12:03 PM
Heartland/Soouthwest won the war.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Saved by Grace on November 10, 2017, 02:10:43 PM
Heartland/Soouthwest won the war.

If that is how you view things then you have already lost
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Justified on November 15, 2017, 01:12:13 PM
Heartland/Soouthwest won the war.

As a Heartland grad, it was never a "war," and it is terrible to view the HBBC-OBC relationship that way. We do things different ways, but we have a lot more in common than we do with other denominations or churches. Many Southwest and Heartland staff members and married students sent their kids to the school at Windsor, so it could hardly be considered a "war."
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Twisted on May 05, 2019, 06:56:37 PM
Oddly nothing in this thread mentions the fact that Heartland was started in part due to the closing of Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College that was in San Dimas, CA.  That school was run by Baptist Bible Fellowship.  There was "politics" involved but, as far as I know, Heartland started with no connection to the BBF.

I'm sure there is a back-story with all that which I am not privy to.

I do know one graduate who started at PCBBC and transferred to Heartland.  I'm sure there are others.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Justified on May 17, 2019, 07:43:47 AM
Oddly nothing in this thread mentions the fact that Heartland was started in part due to the closing of Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College that was in San Dimas, CA.  That school was run by Baptist Bible Fellowship.  There was "politics" involved but, as far as I know, Heartland started with no connection to the BBF.

I'm sure there is a back-story with all that which I am not privy to.

I do know one graduate who started at PCBBC and transferred to Heartland.  I'm sure there are others.

That's not correct. Pacific Coast officially moved and became Heartland. All the records, property, and a good number of staff and faculty came to Oklahoma City.

After the move, Heartland was officially a BBC "approved" school for a few years until at some point Heartland severed ties. I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure Pacific Coast was also an "approved" school. I don't think it was run by the BBF in the same way that BBC was.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Twisted on May 17, 2019, 10:26:05 AM
Oddly nothing in this thread mentions the fact that Heartland was started in part due to the closing of Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College that was in San Dimas, CA.  That school was run by Baptist Bible Fellowship.  There was "politics" involved but, as far as I know, Heartland started with no connection to the BBF.

I'm sure there is a back-story with all that which I am not privy to.

I do know one graduate who started at PCBBC and transferred to Heartland.  I'm sure there are others.

That's not correct. Pacific Coast officially moved and became Heartland. All the records, property, and a good number of staff and faculty came to Oklahoma City.

After the move, Heartland was officially a BBC "approved" school for a few years until at some point Heartland severed ties. I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure Pacific Coast was also an "approved" school. I don't think it was run by the BBF in the same way that BBC was.

Yeah.  Thanks for the clarification.  Maybe there was a "split" with the BBF by Davidson?  Too long ago and too few brain cells left now.
Title: Re: Description?
Post by: Twisted on May 17, 2019, 10:31:58 AM
Oddly nothing in this thread mentions the fact that Heartland was started in part due to the closing of Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College that was in San Dimas, CA.  That school was run by Baptist Bible Fellowship.  There was "politics" involved but, as far as I know, Heartland started with no connection to the BBF.

I'm sure there is a back-story with all that which I am not privy to.

I do know one graduate who started at PCBBC and transferred to Heartland.  I'm sure there are others.

That's not correct. Pacific Coast officially moved and became Heartland. All the records, property, and a good number of staff and faculty came to Oklahoma City.

After the move, Heartland was officially a BBC "approved" school for a few years until at some point Heartland severed ties. I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure Pacific Coast was also an "approved" school. I don't think it was run by the BBF in the same way that BBC was.

Found this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Baptist_Bible_College