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Title: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Tanner on April 12, 2018, 10:26:02 AM
Resigned last night
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Twisted on April 12, 2018, 10:59:20 AM
Resigned last night

Be hard to pastor from a jail cell.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Tanner on April 12, 2018, 11:40:58 AM
Resigned last night

Be hard to pastor from a jail cell.

I think he will plead guilty and get a little probation. The max sentence is only one year in jail.   
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Just me on April 13, 2018, 06:14:20 PM
So glad to hear he is no longer the pastor there.  Now I hope they can do better this time selecting a new pastor!!
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: fishinnut on April 13, 2018, 08:15:57 PM
So glad to hear he is no longer the pastor there.  Now I hope they can do better this time selecting a new pastor!!
I don't think the fella named Ichabod is still available.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Tanner on April 14, 2018, 12:26:40 PM
This closes a dark chapter in the history of a church I once loved.   I saw many bad things come out when our pastor died in jail.   I was optimistic that Ross would come help heal the church move away from the darkness.   In my opinion he made it worse and protected people that helped facilitate the evil, that had taken place.     
We left the church and stayed in touch with a few people inside, Ross continued to hurt people and divide families.  When all this new stuff came out I was hoping it would close the church. 
Now that he has resigned, I have closure on that chapter.   All of our remaining friends have left the church.  I no longer have a dog in the hunt.  I wish them well and hope they do a better job of replacing him, than we did last time. 
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Walt on April 14, 2018, 05:51:50 PM
So glad to hear he is no longer the pastor there.  Now I hope they can do better this time selecting a new pastor!!

I honestly don't know that much about him; I've heard him preach once or twice I think, but because he defended the Vineyard regime, I was uneasy about him.

I pray that the church will see someone committed to exalting Christ and Him alone.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Walt on April 14, 2018, 05:53:30 PM
This closes a dark chapter in the history of a church I once loved.   I saw many bad things come out when our pastor died in jail.   I was optimistic that Ross would come help heal the church move away from the darkness.   In my opinion he made it worse and protected people that helped facilitate the evil, that had taken place.     
We left the church and stayed in touch with a few people inside, Ross continued to hurt people and divide families.  When all this new stuff came out I was hoping it would close the church. 
Now that he has resigned, I have closure on that chapter.   All of our remaining friends have left the church.  I no longer have a dog in the hunt.  I wish them well and hope they do a better job of replacing him, than we did last time.

Well said. Thank you for the updates; you turned out to be right in what you said.

The only good thing I can say at this point about him is that at least he had the decency to resign instead of declaring that ungodly forces were just out to get him.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Hope on April 15, 2018, 05:23:05 PM
So glad to hear he is no longer the pastor there.  Now I hope they can do better this time selecting a new pastor!!

I honestly don't know that much about him; I've heard him preach once or twice I think, but because he defended the Vineyard regime, I was uneasy about him.

I pray that the church will see someone committed to exalting Christ and Him alone.
Amen.

I've been quietly reading in the background with mixed emotions. The closing of Windsor Hills (eventhough there are still some Kool-aid drinkers in the grips of Tom Vineyard), and now Bob Ross revealed. 

So very relieved these men and their vile ministries have lost the bulk of their influence, but at the same time, I weep that God's name is being "blasphemed among the heathen."   I have seen over and over again God somehow get the glory out of so many horrible situations, and I truly pray that He will be exalted through all this.

This must be our prayer.

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Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Just me on April 15, 2018, 05:33:56 PM
As for Tom and those who followed him up to the new location, their circle of influence is oh so small these days!!  OBC is just down to a couple students and they are doing classes by correspondence so it is back to its Institute days.  The church runs a single buss on Sundays and the church school has its lowest numbers in years.  All of which I am personally very thankful for. 

But now the question, "Will Ross return to Okc and Tom?"
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Tanner on April 15, 2018, 07:53:24 PM
As for Tom and those who followed him up to the new location, their circle of influence is oh so small these days!!  OBC is just down to a couple students and they are doing classes by correspondence so it is back to its Institute days.  The church runs a single buss on Sundays and the church school has its lowest numbers in years.  All of which I am personally very thankful for. 

But now the question, "Will Ross return to Okc and Tom?"

He can’t leave until his legal troubles are settled.   


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Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Citadel of Truth on April 19, 2018, 04:37:01 PM
Is there enough people left to keep the church afloat?
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Tanner on May 07, 2018, 10:28:18 PM
The Spanish Church is leaving next month.  Thats gonna hurt, they make up 85% of the school and youth department. 
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: WHBS survivor on September 12, 2018, 04:36:44 PM
I never like bob ross.  And he never liked me.  I wasnt a kid of the church elite at WHBC, so I was a nobody.  My little brother and I got into a fray at a church function b/c lil brother (5yrs old) didnt want to listen to 13yr old big bro.  Lil bro fell out in the floor screaming and Ross jumped in telling me to push someone around my own size.  At 13, i was taller than Ross.
He stink eyed me at every teen event.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: TommyBoy on September 13, 2018, 12:11:49 AM
I never like bob ross.  And he never liked me.  I wasnt a kid of the church elite at WHBC, so I was a nobody.  My little brother and I got into a fray at a church function b/c lil brother (5yrs old) didnt want to listen to 13yr old big bro.  Lil bro fell out in the floor screaming and Ross jumped in telling me to push someone around my own size.  At 13, i was taller than Ross.
He stink eyed me at every teen event.

Also Ross' grandson Jesse is professional bodybuilder now.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on September 17, 2018, 10:44:12 PM
I check the news occasionally to see how the charges against Bob went, and I can't find anything.  Does anybody know how things were settled?
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Saved by Grace on September 19, 2018, 09:29:00 AM
I check the news occasionally to see how the charges against Bob went, an I can't find anything.  Does anybody know how things were settled?

I don't think any more has been shared. There hasn't been a court date announced ( that i have heard )  for the sides to bring their cases so I'm wondering if it cant be proven. 
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: TommyBoy on September 25, 2018, 11:56:19 PM
Still nothing has been finalized. Not sure if hot got out of jail or if he'll be allowed to pastor another IFB church. His grandson Jesse Jackson made a Facebook live video on "Don't Judge" pertaining to his grandfather.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Walt on September 29, 2018, 03:33:00 PM
Still nothing has been finalized. Not sure if hot got out of jail or if he'll be allowed to pastor another IFB church. His grandson Jesse Jackson made a Facebook live video on "Don't Judge" pertaining to his grandfather.

Ah yes, "Don't Judge" -- the cry of the worldly Christian.

Christians are required to make judgments.  We need to do our best to make righteous judgments and not hypocritical judgments.

Just for the record, the only thing I know about his grandson Jesse is his name; I am not accusing him of being a worldly Christian; I'm just saying that the "Don't judge him" line is common among worldly people.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: TommyBoy on October 04, 2018, 02:30:13 PM
Well hindsite is 20/20 and Jesse probably saw something the rest of us didn't. Still no word on his grandfather Bob Ross.

https://www.facebook.com/innerstrengthleader/videos/vb.1814673289/10209854657922504/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on October 09, 2018, 04:56:49 PM
Okay, it's been six months, and no one can find anything on Bob Ross's trial. There is a tendency of internet media to post about an arrest but not about charges being dropped.

I might regret making this guess, but I think that the charges against Bob Ross have been dropped.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Tanner on October 09, 2018, 05:00:14 PM
Okay, it's been six months, and no one can find anything on Bob Ross's trial. There is a tendency of internet media to post about an arrest but not about charges being dropped.

I might regret making this guess, but I think that the charges against Bob Ross have been dropped.

I don’t think so, Dallas County has 1-2 year back log.  Things move slow here.   
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Saved by Grace on October 10, 2018, 09:34:23 AM
If they had the case they thought they had they usually try people by now......especially when they are IFB.

Im guessing they have enough to charge but "hear say " is not going to be considered evidence. (ex Kavanaugh hearings ) 
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on October 11, 2018, 11:52:16 AM
If they had the case they thought they had they usually try people by now......especially when they are IFB.

Im guessing they have enough to charge but "hear say " is not going to be considered evidence. (ex Kavanaugh hearings )

Tanner makes a valid point--this is not a high-priority case.

In addition, there is a problem about Bob KNOWINGLY failing to report the abuse. It is easy to prove that for decades, Bob Ross preached, taught, practiced,  and believed that man-made rules are both the cause and result of Godliness. His claim that he did not know that the reports were true (in the face of very strong evidence that they were) is backed up by what he actually believed and practiced.

The prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he believed the reports, and that might be impossible.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Tanner on October 11, 2018, 12:01:38 PM
If they had the case they thought they had they usually try people by now......especially when they are IFB.

Im guessing they have enough to charge but "hear say " is not going to be considered evidence. (ex Kavanaugh hearings )

Tanner makes a valid point--this is not a high-priority case.

In addition, there is a problem about Bob KNOWINGLY failing to report the abuse. It is easy to prove that for decades, Bob Ross preached, taught, practiced,  and believed that man-made rules are both the cause and result of Godliness. His claim that he did not know that the reports were true (in the face of very strong evidence that they were) is backed up by what he actually believed and practiced.

The prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he believed the reports, and that might be impossible.
He believed it enough to kick the girl out of school.   This won’t be a big trial.  I see them offering a plea deal for a slap on the wrist.   


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Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Walt on October 12, 2018, 06:15:38 PM
If they had the case they thought they had they usually try people by now......especially when they are IFB.

Im guessing they have enough to charge but "hear say " is not going to be considered evidence. (ex Kavanaugh hearings )

Tanner makes a valid point--this is not a high-priority case.

In addition, there is a problem about Bob KNOWINGLY failing to report the abuse. It is easy to prove that for decades, Bob Ross preached, taught, practiced,  and believed that man-made rules are both the cause and result of Godliness. His claim that he did not know that the reports were true (in the face of very strong evidence that they were) is backed up by what he actually believed and practiced.

The prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he believed the reports, and that might be impossible.
He believed it enough to kick the girl out of school.   This won’t be a big trial.  I see them offering a plea deal for a slap on the wrist.   

I agree with you; I expect to have a quiet plea-bargain struck.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Just me on October 17, 2018, 06:33:50 PM
Once again the case has been delayed/postponed until 1 Nov.   Keeps getting delayed a month at a time.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Walt on October 21, 2018, 02:00:43 PM
Once again the case has been delayed/postponed until 1 Nov.   Keeps getting delayed a month at a time.

Do you know why? Is the prosecutor seeking the delay, or is it the defense?
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Just me on October 22, 2018, 06:45:15 PM
Once again the case has been delayed/postponed until 1 Nov.   Keeps getting delayed a month at a time.

Do you know why? Is the prosecutor seeking the delay, or is it the defense?

Do not know.  Just keep reading an update that says it is being delayed one month at a time every month. :(
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Tanner on October 22, 2018, 06:51:42 PM
In Texas it’s a class B Misdemeanor up to 6 months in jail and $1000 fine. 
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on November 20, 2018, 01:48:04 PM
I found a confused website that states that Bob Ross is now directing  Bob Ross Ministries, which is a missions organization. The site states that Bob was executive vice-president of Windsor Hills Baptist Church and that he had formerly pastored a Mormon church (He did not).

https://www.zoominfo.com/c/bob-c-ross-ministries-inc/442401771

https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Bob-Ross/5327612

Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Twisted on November 20, 2018, 03:31:37 PM
I found a confused website that states that Bob Ross is now directing  Bob Ross Ministries, which is a missions organization. The site states that Bob was executive vice-president of Windsor Hills Baptist Church and that he had formerly pastored a Mormon church (He did not).

https://www.zoominfo.com/c/bob-c-ross-ministries-inc/442401771

https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Bob-Ross/5327612

I don't believe this is the same "Bob Ross".

https://www.alignable.com/plano-tx/bob-c-ross-ministries
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Tanner on November 20, 2018, 03:33:44 PM
He is Bob A Ross
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on November 20, 2018, 03:44:25 PM
As I said, it was a confused website.

Twisted is correct; that is a different Bob Ross.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: O.C Redeemed on November 21, 2018, 12:25:50 PM
If they had the case they thought they had they usually try people by now......especially when they are IFB.

Im guessing they have enough to charge but "hear say " is not going to be considered evidence. (ex Kavanaugh hearings )

Tanner makes a valid point--this is not a high-priority case.

In addition, there is a problem about Bob KNOWINGLY failing to report the abuse. It is easy to prove that for decades, Bob Ross preached, taught, practiced,  and believed that man-made rules are both the cause and result of Godliness. His claim that he did not know that the reports were true (in the face of very strong evidence that they were) is backed up by what he actually believed and practiced.

The prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he believed the reports, and that might be impossible.

He kept detailed notes about when the relationship accusation was brought to his attention. To the meetings he had with those involved in which they denied a relationship existed.  He was so proud of the detailed notes he kept of everything he had learned that he gave it to the police as evidence. He just knew that since the parties involved had denied any type of relationship that he could not be arrested (announced during a church members only meeting). Thing is that it was not his place to counsel and find out it was his job to report that an adult had an alleged  ongoing sexual relationship with a minor(willingly or not).  If he is still not humbled I think he will get a week in jail and a couple years of probation. I think that is why the delays because he to this day thinks he did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Saved by Grace on November 28, 2018, 05:32:15 PM
O.C

if what you say is true ( big if ) what he thinks doesnt matter.

If they had proof and evidence he would have prob been tried on local tv because this world loves pointing our faults in Christians.

The fact that there has been so many delays leaves only to speculation which cant be corroborated.
If they could prove like you say they can then this would have been over with along time ago.

just my thoughts
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on December 09, 2018, 08:41:33 AM
"Vineyard’s son Tom took his place as head of the church. Ross, the pastor from Mesquite who was arrested in April, had worked for Jim Vineyard in Oklahoma before coming to Texas, and has found refuge back in Vineyard’s church as he awaits trial.
Tom Vineyard and Ross did not respond to requests for comment.
Ex-members of Windsor Hills say they’ve been contacted by Mesquite officers as part of the investigation into Ross. They said police also asked them about allegations that Ross had failed to report abuse when he worked at Windsor Hills."

Excerpt  from the Star-Telegram, December 9, 2018
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on February 01, 2019, 10:26:16 PM
Open Door Baptist in Mesquite is still open and even holding special events. I contacted a person whose name was listed to ask about Bob Ross's trial, but he didn't answer.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on March 28, 2019, 01:43:06 PM
On March 24, 2019, Bob Ross was a guest speaker at a church, but I can't find out the name of the church.

April 3, 2019, will mark the one-year anniversary of his arrest.

Open Door Baptist Church of Mesquite, Texas, got a new pastor, but has not posted anything since January.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that charges were dropped.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Ken Brown on April 01, 2019, 05:05:36 AM
Is WHBC and OBC completely closed? I heard they had sold the church property and moved.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on April 02, 2019, 09:52:44 AM
Is WHBC and OBC completely closed? I heard they had sold the church property and moved.

The church folded and was sold to another group, leaving the congregation awash in cash. Tom Vineyard took the survivors to nearby Higher Plain Baptist Church  that had called him as pastor. They seem to be doing well and are having a remodeling program of the auditorium.


OBC is forbidden by state law to grant degrees, but it can grant diplomas; they do not explain this on their website. They continue to pretend to be a college and do not explain to prospective students that they are regarded as a failed institution.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Ken Brown on April 03, 2019, 09:18:42 PM
Is WHBC and OBC completely closed? I heard they had sold the church property and moved.

The church folded and was sold to another group, leaving the congregation awash in cash. Tom Vineyard took the survivors to nearby Higher Plain Baptist Church  that had called him as pastor. They seem to be doing well and are having a remodeling program of the auditorium.


OBC is forbidden by state law to grant degrees, but it can grant diplomas; they do not explain this on their website. They continue to pretend to be a college and do not explain to prospective students that they are regarded as a failed institution.

The old property on 23rd is now owned by a ministry named In the Gap. Their website is at:

https://www.inthegap.org/

After asking about the status of WHBC, I did some more searching and ran across the connection with Higher Plain Baptist Church. It was not clear if WHBC had simply changed its name or combined with an existing church. I noticed that none of the reviews on Google are older than 10 months; about the same time the church was sold. I also noticed that WHBC seems to make no mention of its new name or new address on its old website; not too surprising considering WHBC’s rather negative reputation with the average person living in Central Oklahoma. It seems the church is hoping for a fresh start.

Anyway, Tom Vineyard is now at Higher Plain Baptist Church, Northwest 122nd Street, Oklahoma City, OK

http://higherplain.org/
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Saved by Grace on April 04, 2019, 03:22:11 PM
Is WHBC and OBC completely closed? I heard they had sold the church property and moved.

The church folded and was sold to another group, leaving the congregation awash in cash. Tom Vineyard took the survivors to nearby Higher Plain Baptist Church  that had called him as pastor. They seem to be doing well and are having a remodeling program of the auditorium.


OBC is forbidden by state law to grant degrees, but it can grant diplomas; they do not explain this on their website. They continue to pretend to be a college and do not explain to prospective students that they are regarded as a failed institution.

The old property on 23rd is now owned by a ministry named In the Gap. Their website is at:

https://www.inthegap.org/

After asking about the status of WHBC, I did some more searching and ran across the connection with Higher Plain Baptist Church. It was not clear if WHBC had simply changed its name or combined with an existing church. I noticed that none of the reviews on Google are older than 10 months; about the same time the church was sold. I also noticed that WHBC seems to make no mention of its new name or new address on its old website; not too surprising considering WHBC’s rather negative reputation with the average person living in Central Oklahoma. It seems the church is hoping for a fresh start.

Anyway, Tom Vineyard is now at Higher Plain Baptist Church, Northwest 122nd Street, Oklahoma City, OK

http://higherplain.org/

Not that it matters but there are some error in your story


the church did not fold and Vineyard was not called to pastor another church.
The Pastor ( who owns the property personally ) sold it and bought bought another church property. This is one of the reasons he was never voted out because He is the sole owner of the property and ministry.

The college is a shell of what it used to be back in its day.

Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Ken Brown on April 04, 2019, 04:24:45 PM
Is WHBC and OBC completely closed? I heard they had sold the church property and moved.

The church folded and was sold to another group, leaving the congregation awash in cash. Tom Vineyard took the survivors to nearby Higher Plain Baptist Church  that had called him as pastor. They seem to be doing well and are having a remodeling program of the auditorium.


OBC is forbidden by state law to grant degrees, but it can grant diplomas; they do not explain this on their website. They continue to pretend to be a college and do not explain to prospective students that they are regarded as a failed institution.

The old property on 23rd is now owned by a ministry named In the Gap. Their website is at:

https://www.inthegap.org/

After asking about the status of WHBC, I did some more searching and ran across the connection with Higher Plain Baptist Church. It was not clear if WHBC had simply changed its name or combined with an existing church. I noticed that none of the reviews on Google are older than 10 months; about the same time the church was sold. I also noticed that WHBC seems to make no mention of its new name or new address on its old website; not too surprising considering WHBC’s rather negative reputation with the average person living in Central Oklahoma. It seems the church is hoping for a fresh start.

Anyway, Tom Vineyard is now at Higher Plain Baptist Church, Northwest 122nd Street, Oklahoma City, OK

http://higherplain.org/

Not that it matters but there are some error in your story


the church did not fold and Vineyard was not called to pastor another church.
The Pastor ( who owns the property personally ) sold it and bought bought another church property. This is one of the reasons he was never voted out because He is the sole owner of the property and ministry.

The college is a shell of what it used to be back in its day.

Windsor Hills was a Southern Baptist church when it called Jim Vineyard in around 1977. I can understand how he could swing getting a church that was owned by the Southern Baptists changed to one owned by the church's own membership but how did he talk the membership into giving the ownership to him alone? Even with Vineyards 'leadership style' I would have thought the membership would have had a tiny bit more sense than that. That decision so lacks any sort of wisdom or coherent thought it is hard to believe even in the IFB world.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on April 04, 2019, 05:50:03 PM
I appreciate the Christian courtesy of everyone on this thread.

The story that WHBC was owned by the pastor pops up every few years. It wasn't true when I was there, and the building and property were large enough that I don't believe it was ever true.

As the congregation died off, the people opposed to Jim (and later Tom) left, which then kept their loyalists in the majority. That is why they were never fired.

Concerning the final demise of WHBC, there really is a blurred confusion between the law, the facts, and the way it was explained. However, EFFECTIVELY, WHBC sold its property to another group, and the small surviving congregation took its money to  Higher Plain Baptist Church, with Tom Vineyard as its pastor.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Ken Brown on April 04, 2019, 08:30:23 PM
I appreciate the Christian courtesy of everyone on this thread.

The story that WHBC was owned by the pastor pops up every few years. It wasn't true when I was there, and the building and property were large enough that I don't believe it was ever true.

As the congregation died off, the people opposed to Jim (and later Tom) left, which then kept their loyalists in the majority. That is why they were never fired.

Concerning the final demise of WHBC, there really is a blurred confusion between the law, the facts, and the way it was explained. However, EFFECTIVELY, WHBC sold its property to another group, and the small surviving congregation took its money to  Higher Plain Baptist Church, with Tom Vineyard as its pastor.

Perhaps the name will be changed later to Lower Plain Baptist Church.

After the regrettable experience of going to HAC and attending FBCH for five years, I learned enough to steer clear of certain IBC churches. I knew enough people who served under Vineyard while he was still in Hammond and who attended WHBC in OKC to know all I needed to know about Vineyard's style of 'leadership'.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Walt on April 06, 2019, 12:50:08 PM
On March 24, 2019, Bob Ross was a guest speaker at a church, but I can't find out the name of the church.

April 3, 2019, will mark the one-year anniversary of his arrest.

Open Door Baptist Church of Mesquite, Texas, got a new pastor, but has not posted anything since January.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that charges were dropped.

I assume Open Door is moving ahead... but I don't think that the charges can be dropped.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Saved by Grace on May 02, 2019, 07:40:51 AM
On March 24, 2019, Bob Ross was a guest speaker at a church, but I can't find out the name of the church.

April 3, 2019, will mark the one-year anniversary of his arrest.

Open Door Baptist Church of Mesquite, Texas, got a new pastor, but has not posted anything since January.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that charges were dropped.

I assume Open Door is moving ahead... but I don't think that the charges can be dropped.

They have selected another pastor but i dont know about the charges ....kinda odd there has been NO movement regarding this
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on June 03, 2019, 09:45:47 PM
FINALLY! Some news.

On May 10, 2019, Steve Winn, the volunteer assistant youth director at Bob Ross's church, was put on trial. He pled guilty and was sentenced to four years.

"Today [May 10, 2019], Winn pleaded guilty to three counts of sexually abusing a child and was sentenced to four years in prison. After release, Winn will have to register as a sex offender.  According to the Dallas News, Winn still faces one count of sexual assault of a child in Kaufman County. He was indicted on the charge last month."


As of May 10, 2019: "Robert “Bob” Ross, the pastor of Open Door, was arrested in April 2018 and charged with failing to report the alleged abuse. He remains free on a $2,500 bond."

The entire article can be read here: https://brucegerencser.net/tag/open-door-baptist-church-mesquite/
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on June 05, 2019, 08:17:43 PM
http://www.klif.com/2019/05/11/mesquite-youth-pastor-sentenced-to-prison/

http://www.fox4news.com/news/fmr-north-texas-youth-pastor-sentenced-for-sexual-assault-of-a-child////
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Saved by Grace on June 07, 2019, 12:26:54 PM
http://www.klif.com/2019/05/11/mesquite-youth-pastor-sentenced-to-prison/

http://www.fox4news.com/news/fmr-north-texas-youth-pastor-sentenced-for-sexual-assault-of-a-child////

but what of Bob Ross ? did they set a court date or did the case fall apart?
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on June 07, 2019, 01:43:43 PM
"but what of Bob Ross ? did they set a court date or did the case fall apart?"

They didn't say. The first article, which is ONLY a summary of what the news media reports, stated that Ross is still out on bail--in other words, the author cannot find any news articles on him.

It might be that the courts want to wait to make sure that the volunteer youth worker in Ross's church actually does get convicted. Since he did get convicted, Ross's case might finally go to court.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on June 28, 2019, 11:53:51 AM
LAST YEAR, on August 24, 2018 a public school teacher's aide in Mesquite, Texas (where Bob Ross's church is located) was sentenced to 60 years without parole for sexually abusing a 6 year old boy.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/08/24/former-texas-teachers-aide-prison-sexual-abuse-boy/

The woman had been arrested in August 2016, two years earlier. I cannot find a specific reason for the two-year delay, but one report stated that investigators wanted to have psychologists observe the boy's behavior, and that would have taken time. This might explain the delay with Bob Ross's case.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on July 26, 2019, 07:59:10 PM
The new pastor of Bob Ross's former church is active on Twitter, and he is reporting that the church is doing well and is growing. He makes no mention of Bob.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: TheAlvinChimpmunk on August 09, 2019, 09:53:00 AM
THE Jesse Jackson (real name Jesse Stone) made another Facebook video about "not judging others". If you're friends with him on Facebook you can see the article from the Dallas Morning News where he was interviewed about Ross and the IFB's. Tatiyana Rupa also made a Facebook post and she's gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy to the left like Jesse and former IFB Preacher Boy turned Megachurch Pastor Joel McCarty
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Vince Massi on August 09, 2019, 03:09:28 PM
THE Jesse Jackson (real name Jesse Stone) made another Facebook video about "not judging others". If you're friends with him on Facebook you can see the article from the Dallas Morning News where he was interviewed about Ross and the IFB's.
It's good to see somebody else posting on this thread.

Alvin, I tried to locate the Dallas Morning News article. Could you give a link or "cut and paste" it here? Thank you.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: TheAlvinChimpmunk on August 10, 2019, 01:25:12 PM
It's on Jesse's FB page. He's gone wayyyyyyyyyyy to the left and now sits under the feet of TBN/PTL Club false teacher Keith Craft in Dallas. Jesse was quick to make videos judging his grandpa Ross.

(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60201915_10211350695402506_3009407709414948864_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQkAS-QKUg1pJoG1mElDA7ipViOnKn1t7t0JjMNKFfOUgT5LmqmTZ0vzZv2FG_J5w5w&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=32b172342bec42c9c94bad17232427a7&oe=5DCD0D1B)
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Twisted on August 10, 2019, 09:47:18 PM
It's on Jesse's FB page.

What a total idiot you are.  You do realize (of course you don't.  Your IQ is below 10) that one would have to figure out *which* Jesse Stone and then if the post is not Public, only his friends can see it.

He asked for the link.  Yet you take the time to post a graphic.  What a total jerk and loser.
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: TheAlvinChimpmunk on August 10, 2019, 10:43:42 PM
And you're a complete moron and a douchebag
Title: Re: Bob Ross is Out
Post by: Twisted on August 11, 2019, 03:18:59 PM
And you're a complete moron and a douchebag

Careful with that kind of talk, or your mom will kick you out of her basement and change the wi-fi password.