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Title: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: Lucian Hodoboc on January 12, 2019, 08:59:54 AM
Most of the people I've listened to on the internet have expressed different views about The Trinity, and have tried to explain it through different analogies, but many of them eventually concluded that nobody really understands The Trinity, and that we should simply accept it even though we don't understand it. What are your views about The Trinity and do you agree with the idea that understanding it is impossible during our earthly lives?
Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: Ransom on January 12, 2019, 06:27:56 PM
My views on the Trinity are those of the Athanasian Creed (https://www.crcna.org/welcome/beliefs/creeds/athanasian-creed) .
Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: Lucian Hodoboc on January 13, 2019, 12:58:05 AM
My views on the Trinity are those of the Athanasian Creed (https://www.crcna.org/welcome/beliefs/creeds/athanasian-creed) .
That's good, I suppose, but that's not what this thread is asking. :)
Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: Ransom on January 13, 2019, 08:33:17 PM
That's good, I suppose, but that's not what this thread is asking. :)

I'm pretty sure that by the ordinary rules of English, "My views on the Trinity are those of the Athanasian Creed" is a valid answer to "What are your views on the Trinity?"

Lack of clarity and/or precision on your part does not constitute a non-answer on mine. ;)
Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: Lucian Hodoboc on January 14, 2019, 02:23:16 AM
The thread is asking what your views are on understanding The Trinity, not what your views are on The Trinity. I'm not asking whether you agree with the Athanasian definition of The Trinity. What do you think about our (humans') ability to understand / comprehend The Trinity during our earthly lives? Many people, myself included, have problems understanding how a being can be three persons who function in harmony and yet have different wills.
Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: prophet on January 14, 2019, 11:19:10 AM
The thread is asking what your views are on understanding The Trinity, not what your views are on The Trinity. I'm not asking whether you agree with the Athanasian definition of The Trinity. What do you think about our (humans') ability to understand / comprehend The Trinity during our earthly lives? Many people, myself included, have problems understanding how a being can be three persons who function in harmony and yet have different wills.
Maybe because He has only one will?

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Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: Lucian Hodoboc on January 14, 2019, 12:27:16 PM
The thread is asking what your views are on understanding The Trinity, not what your views are on The Trinity. I'm not asking whether you agree with the Athanasian definition of The Trinity. What do you think about our (humans') ability to understand / comprehend The Trinity during our earthly lives? Many people, myself included, have problems understanding how a being can be three persons who function in harmony and yet have different wills.
Maybe because He has only one will?

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But Jesus mentioned that He has come to do the Will of The Father several times and He even hints that their two wills didn't coincide in Luke 22:42...
Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: prophet on January 14, 2019, 12:31:23 PM
The thread is asking what your views are on understanding The Trinity, not what your views are on The Trinity. I'm not asking whether you agree with the Athanasian definition of The Trinity. What do you think about our (humans') ability to understand / comprehend The Trinity during our earthly lives? Many people, myself included, have problems understanding how a being can be three persons who function in harmony and yet have different wills.
Maybe because He has only one will?

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But Jesus mentioned that He has come to do the Will of The Father several times and He even hints that their two wills didn't coincide in Luke 22:42...
If you don't see the mystery here, that Jesus could never have contradicted the Father?
That this was acted out for our observance?

Jesus spoke out loud for a reason at that moment.

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Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: Lucian Hodoboc on January 14, 2019, 12:35:00 PM
Ok, brother. Enlighten me, by God's grace, as I do not understand why Jesus said that. :(
Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: Ransom on February 05, 2019, 11:52:46 AM
Maybe because He has only one will?

A view (monothelitism) that was unanimously rejected by the entire Western church in the seventh century, because it denies the full humanity of Christ. Orthodox Christology is dyothelitism - just as Christ is in possession of a human and divine nature (dyophysitism), he has both a human and a divine will. The two wills are not opposed to each other, but nonetheless distinct.
Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: prophet on February 05, 2019, 12:51:36 PM
Maybe because He has only one will?

A view (monothelitism) that was unanimously rejected by the entire Western church in the seventh century, because it denies the full humanity of Christ. Orthodox Christology is dyothelitism - just as Christ is in possession of a human and divine nature (dyophysitism), he has both a human and a divine will. The two wills are not opposed to each other, but nonetheless distinct.
I reject anything from the Nicean Council until now, because RCC Theology, which damns its adherents to Hell,  was the result of the sum total of these councils.

Or, as some would say:

I'm Baptist.

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Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: Ransom on February 05, 2019, 01:48:01 PM
Or, as some would say:

I'm Baptist.

If you reject dyothelitism, you're not even a Christian, let alone a Baptist. You're a heretic.
Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: prophet on February 05, 2019, 01:57:53 PM
Or, as some would say:

I'm Baptist.

If you reject dyothelitism, you're not even a Christian, let alone a Baptist. You're a heretic.
I reject Roman Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy.

I may agree with some points, but I'm not beholden to The Great Whore.



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Title: Re: What are your views on understanding The Trinity?
Post by: Ransom on February 05, 2019, 07:36:49 PM
I may agree with some points, but I'm not beholden to The Great Whore.

Nope. Just another one.