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Vince Massi

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Re: Bob Ross is Out
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2019, 09:52:44 AM »
Is WHBC and OBC completely closed? I heard they had sold the church property and moved.

The church folded and was sold to another group, leaving the congregation awash in cash. Tom Vineyard took the survivors to nearby Higher Plain Baptist Church  that had called him as pastor. They seem to be doing well and are having a remodeling program of the auditorium.


OBC is forbidden by state law to grant degrees, but it can grant diplomas; they do not explain this on their website. They continue to pretend to be a college and do not explain to prospective students that they are regarded as a failed institution.

Ken Brown

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Re: Bob Ross is Out
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2019, 09:18:42 PM »
Is WHBC and OBC completely closed? I heard they had sold the church property and moved.

The church folded and was sold to another group, leaving the congregation awash in cash. Tom Vineyard took the survivors to nearby Higher Plain Baptist Church  that had called him as pastor. They seem to be doing well and are having a remodeling program of the auditorium.


OBC is forbidden by state law to grant degrees, but it can grant diplomas; they do not explain this on their website. They continue to pretend to be a college and do not explain to prospective students that they are regarded as a failed institution.

The old property on 23rd is now owned by a ministry named In the Gap. Their website is at:

https://www.inthegap.org/

After asking about the status of WHBC, I did some more searching and ran across the connection with Higher Plain Baptist Church. It was not clear if WHBC had simply changed its name or combined with an existing church. I noticed that none of the reviews on Google are older than 10 months; about the same time the church was sold. I also noticed that WHBC seems to make no mention of its new name or new address on its old website; not too surprising considering WHBC’s rather negative reputation with the average person living in Central Oklahoma. It seems the church is hoping for a fresh start.

Anyway, Tom Vineyard is now at Higher Plain Baptist Church, Northwest 122nd Street, Oklahoma City, OK

http://higherplain.org/
« Last Edit: April 03, 2019, 10:54:47 PM by Ken Brown »

Saved by Grace

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Re: Bob Ross is Out
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2019, 03:22:11 PM »
Is WHBC and OBC completely closed? I heard they had sold the church property and moved.

The church folded and was sold to another group, leaving the congregation awash in cash. Tom Vineyard took the survivors to nearby Higher Plain Baptist Church  that had called him as pastor. They seem to be doing well and are having a remodeling program of the auditorium.


OBC is forbidden by state law to grant degrees, but it can grant diplomas; they do not explain this on their website. They continue to pretend to be a college and do not explain to prospective students that they are regarded as a failed institution.

The old property on 23rd is now owned by a ministry named In the Gap. Their website is at:

https://www.inthegap.org/

After asking about the status of WHBC, I did some more searching and ran across the connection with Higher Plain Baptist Church. It was not clear if WHBC had simply changed its name or combined with an existing church. I noticed that none of the reviews on Google are older than 10 months; about the same time the church was sold. I also noticed that WHBC seems to make no mention of its new name or new address on its old website; not too surprising considering WHBC’s rather negative reputation with the average person living in Central Oklahoma. It seems the church is hoping for a fresh start.

Anyway, Tom Vineyard is now at Higher Plain Baptist Church, Northwest 122nd Street, Oklahoma City, OK

http://higherplain.org/

Not that it matters but there are some error in your story


the church did not fold and Vineyard was not called to pastor another church.
The Pastor ( who owns the property personally ) sold it and bought bought another church property. This is one of the reasons he was never voted out because He is the sole owner of the property and ministry.

The college is a shell of what it used to be back in its day.


Ken Brown

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Re: Bob Ross is Out
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2019, 04:24:45 PM »
Is WHBC and OBC completely closed? I heard they had sold the church property and moved.

The church folded and was sold to another group, leaving the congregation awash in cash. Tom Vineyard took the survivors to nearby Higher Plain Baptist Church  that had called him as pastor. They seem to be doing well and are having a remodeling program of the auditorium.


OBC is forbidden by state law to grant degrees, but it can grant diplomas; they do not explain this on their website. They continue to pretend to be a college and do not explain to prospective students that they are regarded as a failed institution.

The old property on 23rd is now owned by a ministry named In the Gap. Their website is at:

https://www.inthegap.org/

After asking about the status of WHBC, I did some more searching and ran across the connection with Higher Plain Baptist Church. It was not clear if WHBC had simply changed its name or combined with an existing church. I noticed that none of the reviews on Google are older than 10 months; about the same time the church was sold. I also noticed that WHBC seems to make no mention of its new name or new address on its old website; not too surprising considering WHBC’s rather negative reputation with the average person living in Central Oklahoma. It seems the church is hoping for a fresh start.

Anyway, Tom Vineyard is now at Higher Plain Baptist Church, Northwest 122nd Street, Oklahoma City, OK

http://higherplain.org/

Not that it matters but there are some error in your story


the church did not fold and Vineyard was not called to pastor another church.
The Pastor ( who owns the property personally ) sold it and bought bought another church property. This is one of the reasons he was never voted out because He is the sole owner of the property and ministry.

The college is a shell of what it used to be back in its day.

Windsor Hills was a Southern Baptist church when it called Jim Vineyard in around 1977. I can understand how he could swing getting a church that was owned by the Southern Baptists changed to one owned by the church's own membership but how did he talk the membership into giving the ownership to him alone? Even with Vineyards 'leadership style' I would have thought the membership would have had a tiny bit more sense than that. That decision so lacks any sort of wisdom or coherent thought it is hard to believe even in the IFB world.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2019, 04:26:50 PM by Ken Brown »

Vince Massi

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Re: Bob Ross is Out
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2019, 05:50:03 PM »
I appreciate the Christian courtesy of everyone on this thread.

The story that WHBC was owned by the pastor pops up every few years. It wasn't true when I was there, and the building and property were large enough that I don't believe it was ever true.

As the congregation died off, the people opposed to Jim (and later Tom) left, which then kept their loyalists in the majority. That is why they were never fired.

Concerning the final demise of WHBC, there really is a blurred confusion between the law, the facts, and the way it was explained. However, EFFECTIVELY, WHBC sold its property to another group, and the small surviving congregation took its money to  Higher Plain Baptist Church, with Tom Vineyard as its pastor.

Ken Brown

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Re: Bob Ross is Out
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2019, 08:30:23 PM »
I appreciate the Christian courtesy of everyone on this thread.

The story that WHBC was owned by the pastor pops up every few years. It wasn't true when I was there, and the building and property were large enough that I don't believe it was ever true.

As the congregation died off, the people opposed to Jim (and later Tom) left, which then kept their loyalists in the majority. That is why they were never fired.

Concerning the final demise of WHBC, there really is a blurred confusion between the law, the facts, and the way it was explained. However, EFFECTIVELY, WHBC sold its property to another group, and the small surviving congregation took its money to  Higher Plain Baptist Church, with Tom Vineyard as its pastor.

Perhaps the name will be changed later to Lower Plain Baptist Church.

After the regrettable experience of going to HAC and attending FBCH for five years, I learned enough to steer clear of certain IBC churches. I knew enough people who served under Vineyard while he was still in Hammond and who attended WHBC in OKC to know all I needed to know about Vineyard's style of 'leadership'.

Walt

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Re: Bob Ross is Out
« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2019, 12:50:08 PM »
On March 24, 2019, Bob Ross was a guest speaker at a church, but I can't find out the name of the church.

April 3, 2019, will mark the one-year anniversary of his arrest.

Open Door Baptist Church of Mesquite, Texas, got a new pastor, but has not posted anything since January.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that charges were dropped.

I assume Open Door is moving ahead... but I don't think that the charges can be dropped.

Saved by Grace

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Re: Bob Ross is Out
« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2019, 07:40:51 AM »
On March 24, 2019, Bob Ross was a guest speaker at a church, but I can't find out the name of the church.

April 3, 2019, will mark the one-year anniversary of his arrest.

Open Door Baptist Church of Mesquite, Texas, got a new pastor, but has not posted anything since January.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that charges were dropped.

I assume Open Door is moving ahead... but I don't think that the charges can be dropped.

They have selected another pastor but i dont know about the charges ....kinda odd there has been NO movement regarding this