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AnkleBone

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Re: IFB Sexual abuse
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2019, 01:09:37 PM »
They've still failed to meet the standard of the Scripture, which requires that the offender be rebuked before all (even in absentia) so that all may fear/respect. Firing somebody is not the same thing as church discipline. Church discipline of fallen elders (pastors) is public, loud, and transparent. The entire story comes out, the offender is identified before the entire church (at large, as Paul did with Peter--no local church crap there. To this day the Church knows that Peter shunned Gentile believers in order to curry favor with Judaizers). And a record is kept of those who refuse repentance but keep professing to be Christians so that the church at large is warned away from the wolves. That is all Biblical, and that has NOT been done.

Binaca Chugger

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Re: IFB Sexual abuse
« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2019, 06:41:34 AM »
They've still failed to meet the standard of the Scripture, which requires that the offender be rebuked before all (even in absentia) so that all may fear/respect. Firing somebody is not the same thing as church discipline. Church discipline of fallen elders (pastors) is public, loud, and transparent. The entire story comes out, the offender is identified before the entire church (at large, as Paul did with Peter--no local church crap there. To this day the Church knows that Peter shunned Gentile believers in order to curry favor with Judaizers). And a record is kept of those who refuse repentance but keep professing to be Christians so that the church at large is warned away from the wolves. That is all Biblical, and that has NOT been done.

I think you should present the logistics of this idea at the next national convention meeting for the IFB and have the vote on such a resolution.
Not that I'm saying, but I'm just saying that that's what they say.

AnkleBone

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Re: IFB Sexual abuse
« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2019, 07:06:33 AM »
That would have to be the Sword Conference or one of those countless conferences held in the IFB as they defend their independence and then betray their dishonesty. I have discovered that the "independence" of the IFB is a handy garment they can put on and take off as they like. They put it on the moment they whiff of accountability reaches them, and then take it off when they want to have a "conference" to flog their wares or improve their standings.

The Bible says that the Body of Christ is one body: one more core doctrine thrown away by the IFB. Also another reason that their deviant pastors get away with so much,

Binaca Chugger

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Re: IFB Sexual abuse
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2019, 08:37:41 PM »
That would have to be the Sword Conference or one of those countless conferences held in the IFB as they defend their independence and then betray their dishonesty. I have discovered that the "independence" of the IFB is a handy garment they can put on and take off as they like. They put it on the moment they whiff of accountability reaches them, and then take it off when they want to have a "conference" to flog their wares or improve their standings.

The Bible says that the Body of Christ is one body: one more core doctrine thrown away by the IFB. Also another reason that their deviant pastors get away with so much,

Yes, but you have a problem: each of those conferences represent a different sect of the denomination that does not respect the other.  It is true that some have moved from one sect to the other without good referrals.  So you will have to unite these sects and present the idea and all of the logistics for it at that unified meeting.
Not that I'm saying, but I'm just saying that that's what they say.

AnkleBone

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Re: IFB Sexual abuse
« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2019, 06:54:19 AM »
Yes, but you have a problem: each of those conferences represent a different sect of the denomination that does not respect the other.
Another evidence that they are disobedient and rebellious against the rule of the Bible.

Saved by Grace

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Re: IFB Sexual abuse
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2019, 09:02:31 AM »
Yes, but you have a problem: each of those conferences represent a different sect of the denomination that does not respect the other.
Another evidence that they are disobedient and rebellious against the rule of the Bible.

now you are just ignorant. Each church doesn't answer to the other.... even in the SBC the convention does not control the church.

You are far from biased and your butthurt is showing !

The IFB movement has its issues but you cant hang em all for the crimes of a few.

16KJV11

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Re: IFB Sexual abuse
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2019, 11:41:16 PM »
Yes, but you have a problem: each of those conferences represent a different sect of the denomination that does not respect the other.
Another evidence that they are disobedient and rebellious against the rule of the Bible.

now you are just ignorant. Each church doesn't answer to the other.... even in the SBC the convention does not control the church.

You are far from biased and your butthurt is showing !

The IFB movement has its issues but you cant hang em all for the crimes of a few.
May I suggest some:

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Smellin Coffee

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Re: IFB Sexual abuse
« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2019, 11:35:15 AM »
Southern Baptists are just as corrupt:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Don't forget the missionary kids from New Tribes Missions who were abused by missionaries overseas:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/ungodly-abuse-lasting-torment-new-tribes-missionary-kids-n967191

Yep. Core to all these stories? Religious agreement in having violent atonement theologies. They are just expressed differently between the Calvinists, Evangelicals, IFB, Catholics, etc. Abusive theology begets abuse and provides shelter for abusers.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ~ Upton Sinclair

Ransom

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Re: IFB Sexual abuse
« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2019, 12:24:02 PM »
Penal substitutionary atonement turns missionaries into rapists.

- actual thought expressed by Smellin Coffee, moonbat
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Smellin Coffee

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Re: IFB Sexual abuse
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2019, 05:28:35 AM »
Penal substitutionary atonement turns missionaries into rapists.

- actual thought expressed by Smellin Coffee, moonbat


Of perhaps, like in the case of Bob Gray/Florida, abusers are turned into missionaries. ;)

Plant the seeds of penal substitutionary atonement, water heavily with biblical inerrancy, fertilize with literal hellfire, tend to with manipulation and not only can you grow a bumper crop of misogynists, homophobes, authoritarians and manipulators, but the environment of toxic masculinity is ripe for the development of abusers of women and children.

Granted there are those from without religious circles that are also abusive, but rarely is it intentionally implanted in children and recruiting new folks into the same mindset as is found in these churches. Throw in doctrines of ultimate forgiveness, unaccompanied access to women and children, the desire to maintain a clean reputation for the organization (church) and a relocation program if needed, you have the perfect environment that attracts abusers in addition to the homegrown.


My kids were safer in their public schools than in the churches we attended.*

*Note of irony: the teacher at our local high school last year who was arrested for having sex with a student just happened to be a Liberty graduate just a couple years ago...


https://www.foxnews.com/us/married-teacher-and-jv-cheerleading-coach-23-arrested-for-sex-affair-with-teen-boy-student

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ~ Upton Sinclair