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Re: Phil Robertson's testimony (Duck Dynasty)
« Reply #70 on: March 23, 2013, 12:18:58 PM »
  The baptismal waters were changed into the blood of Christ and that is how one is washed in the blood of Jesus. 


Thanks for the info.  I didn't know this was standard teaching in their camp.

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Re: Phil Robertson's testimony (Duck Dynasty)
« Reply #71 on: March 23, 2013, 12:27:00 PM »
I appreciate the way you explain things rsc2a, are you a pastor of a church?

I am not. I study a lot and i will be one day but my wife has no desire to be a pastors wife.i respect her wishes (and understand them).so, for now,i will keep preparing myself.
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Re: Phil Robertson's testimony (Duck Dynasty)
« Reply #72 on: March 23, 2013, 12:53:53 PM »
I appreciate the way you explain things rsc2a, are you a pastor of a church?

I am not. I study a lot and i will be one day but my wife has no desire to be a pastors wife.i respect her wishes (and understand them).so, for now,i will keep preparing myself.

God has blessed you with wisdom, I hope I can get as much insight as you have... :)

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Re: Phil Robertson's testimony (Duck Dynasty)
« Reply #73 on: March 23, 2013, 07:39:32 PM »

Being from and in middle TN you can't sling a dead cat without hitting a Church of Christ member upside the head. They take a strict literal interpretation of the Bible and ger their requirements for baptism from the following:

John 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


I'm just curious how you deal with their take on those verses.


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Alayman's answers are correct, but most C of C rely on circular reasoning and keep going back to their pet verses. They stumble by trying to insert themselves into areas of Scripture which deal with the Jewish nation. John's baptism of repentance was to the Jewish people and Acts 2:38 was in direct response to Peter's condemnation of the Jewish nation for rejecting Christ.  They were pricked in their hearts and asked, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Acts shows the transition from dealing with the Jews to dealing with Gentiles.  Yet, every C of C will cling to Acts 2:38  as their life verse. They miss the change from John's baptism to the baptism of a saved child of God. 

Acts 19:3-5   And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.   Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.   When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Their gospel is: belief, confession, repentance, baptism.  Yet the Bible clearly delineates between baptism and the gospel:

1 Corinthians 1:17   For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

I was raised in the Church of Christ and was also taught that the only true baptism is by an elder in a Church of Christ building.  The baptismal waters were changed into the blood of Christ and that is how one is washed in the blood of Jesus.  I remember thinking, "Well, that felt just like Kansas CIty tap water."

I found this to be true when, a few years ago, my youngest daughter looked into Florida Christian College in Orlando. On our visit they broached the subject of her being 'baptized into Christ' and her Baptist Baptism wasn't sufficient..to get her into heaven or the school...UNLESS your tuition check didn't bounce!  :)

Did your daughter attend FCC?  What would RLS think?

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Re: Phil Robertson's testimony (Duck Dynasty)
« Reply #74 on: March 23, 2013, 08:27:29 PM »

Being from and in middle TN you can't sling a dead cat without hitting a Church of Christ member upside the head. They take a strict literal interpretation of the Bible and ger their requirements for baptism from the following:

John 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


I'm just curious how you deal with their take on those verses.


ChuckBob

Alayman's answers are correct, but most C of C rely on circular reasoning and keep going back to their pet verses. They stumble by trying to insert themselves into areas of Scripture which deal with the Jewish nation. John's baptism of repentance was to the Jewish people and Acts 2:38 was in direct response to Peter's condemnation of the Jewish nation for rejecting Christ.  They were pricked in their hearts and asked, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Acts shows the transition from dealing with the Jews to dealing with Gentiles.  Yet, every C of C will cling to Acts 2:38  as their life verse. They miss the change from John's baptism to the baptism of a saved child of God. 

Acts 19:3-5   And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.   Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.   When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Their gospel is: belief, confession, repentance, baptism.  Yet the Bible clearly delineates between baptism and the gospel:

1 Corinthians 1:17   For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

I was raised in the Church of Christ and was also taught that the only true baptism is by an elder in a Church of Christ building.  The baptismal waters were changed into the blood of Christ and that is how one is washed in the blood of Jesus.  I remember thinking, "Well, that felt just like Kansas CIty tap water."

I found this to be true when, a few years ago, my youngest daughter looked into Florida Christian College in Orlando. On our visit they broached the subject of her being 'baptized into Christ' and her Baptist Baptism wasn't sufficient..to get her into heaven or the school...UNLESS your tuition check didn't bounce!  :)

Did your daughter attend FCC?  What would RLS think?

She didn't end up there, thankfully.
But you know that if the check that cleared was big enough and made out to him, RLS would have been ok with it.... :D
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Re: Phil Robertson's testimony (Duck Dynasty)
« Reply #75 on: March 23, 2013, 08:29:16 PM »
  The baptismal waters were changed into the blood of Christ and that is how one is washed in the blood of Jesus. 


Thanks for the info.  I didn't know this was standard teaching in their camp.

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Are the Duck Dynasty guys CoC Anderson Indiana?
Forgive me if this was mentioned earlier....

You're thinking of Church of God.

Church of God...Church of Christ....nit picker!  :D
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Re: Phil Robertson's testimony (Duck Dynasty)
« Reply #76 on: March 24, 2013, 11:25:22 AM »
I appreciate the way you explain things rsc2a, are you a pastor of a church?

I am not. I study a lot and i will be one day but my wife has no desire to be a pastors wife.i respect her wishes (and understand them).so, for now,i will keep preparing myself.

God has blessed you with wisdom, I hope I can get as much insight as you have... :)

Thank you. :)

I'll just tell you like I tell (mostly) everyone else: get your study material from a variety of different sources. Don't just read people you already agree with, and even read things from people you actively disagree with. And perhaps the most important things you can read do not necessarily teach you about the Bible, they teach you how to study the Bible.
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Re: Phil Robertson's testimony (Duck Dynasty)
« Reply #77 on: March 24, 2013, 03:20:05 PM »
I appreciate the way you explain things rsc2a, are you a pastor of a church?

I am not. I study a lot and i will be one day but my wife has no desire to be a pastors wife.i respect her wishes (and understand them).so, for now,i will keep preparing myself.

So you respect your wife more that God? Unless of course you don't think that being a pastor is a calling from God.

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Re: Phil Robertson's testimony (Duck Dynasty)
« Reply #78 on: March 24, 2013, 03:39:05 PM »
I appreciate the way you explain things rsc2a, are you a pastor of a church?

I am not. I study a lot and i will be one day but my wife has no desire to be a pastors wife.i respect her wishes (and understand them).so, for now,i will keep preparing myself.

So you respect your wife more that God? Unless of course you don't think that being a pastor is a calling from God.

You got it figured out.  ::)
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Re: Phil Robertson's testimony (Duck Dynasty)
« Reply #79 on: March 24, 2013, 11:56:09 PM »
Are the Duck Dynasty guys CoC Anderson Indiana?
Forgive me if this was mentioned earlier....

The Anderson, IN guys are called "Church of God".  They are more like Free Will Baptists than the Church of Christ.

That said, no.  The Duck Dynasty is Church of Christ.
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