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Re: Zimmerman case
« Reply #140 on: July 11, 2013, 03:21:37 PM »
I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.  Not a good idea for me. I will stick to letting the policemen do their job of patrolling neighborhoods.

Why is it at one hand.... you never trust the Police to do what's right..... and then you turn right around and pretend you're going to trust them to patrol your neighborhood properly???

Would you have preferred "No Limit _____" on patrol?

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This is what "Martin" called himself. If you haven't keep up with the case.... then you shouldn't make such a stupid mistake.

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« Reply #141 on: July 11, 2013, 04:04:05 PM »
I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.  Not a good idea for me. I will stick to letting the policemen do their job of patrolling neighborhoods.

"Open season on African Americans", this guy went to bat for a black homeless man and rallied with the NAACP.  He is himself a member of a minority often stereotyped for theft and vandalism.  Just because he followed a black boy does not make him a racist.  There are three white kids a couple doors down that are always fighting and stealing so I keep an eye on then, does that mean its open season on white kids around the Hayden house. 
Why are you so desperate to make this Rodney King V2?

I am "desperate" to do nothing.  The guy killed an unarmed boy.  Unlike your neighbors he knew absolutely nothing about the boy that would cause him to feel a need to keep an eye on him.  Realities are realities.  You are usually much more even handed in your treatment of subjects and willing to listen to those who know something of the subject.  I am disappointed but not surprised.
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Re: Zimmerman case
« Reply #142 on: July 11, 2013, 04:05:22 PM »
If you keep up with the news, it looks like the pressure is on to get Zimmerman convicted of SOMETHING, literally ANYTHING, as long as he goes down.  The judge has been acting crazy.  No matter which way it goes, it's wide open for mistrial now. 

Open season on black kids?  Give me a freakin break.  You're one of the reasons why this Rassmussen poll turned out the way it did:

Blacks more racist than whites, Rasmussen poll finds

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/14952214-blacks-are-more-racist-than-whites-poll


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Re: Zimmerman case
« Reply #143 on: July 11, 2013, 04:07:44 PM »
I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.

Apart from the hate-droolings of racist shakedown artists like Al Sharpton, which don't count for anything, there's no evidence that Zimmerman shot Martin because of his race.  Zimmerman may have acted very badly, but he wasn't out hunting black kids. Calm down.

I am quite calm Ransom.  I am also aware that he gunned down a child that he did not know for simply walking through the neighborhood.  What exactly made him look so suspicious that it would warrant him approaching him on a public street and arming himself with a weapon that is locked and loaded.  Sorry, I am not buying GZ's story any more than whites bought OJ's story.
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Re: Zimmerman case
« Reply #144 on: July 11, 2013, 04:11:22 PM »
I spent three years working for the boys and girls club teen program in inner city Knoxville.  Most days, I was the only white guy in the building.  There is a real problem with race in our country, but calling racism every time something happens to a black kid at the hands of a white kid isn't the solution. 
How about banning music that elevates violence and treats women like livestock?  How about real education reform, that includes discipline and order and expects kids to learn something other than black studies?  How about welfare reform that focuses on education and workforce placement?
Or we could just keep manufacturing racism where it isn't and flaming a victim mentality because that is working so well for us.

No victim mentality my friend and no need for paternal advice.  I am capable of thinking for myself and weighing a situation as well as you.  I am even more capable of identifying racism directed against people of my ethnic group because I have lived it.  GZ may or may not have been motivated by racism but a system that did not see the need to arrest him for the murder of an unarmed child gives the impression there is a problem of systemic racism at least in this area of Florida and from the posts here among IFBers.
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Re: Zimmerman case
« Reply #145 on: July 11, 2013, 04:13:57 PM »
I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.  Not a good idea for me. I will stick to letting the policemen do their job of patrolling neighborhoods.

Why is it at one hand.... you never trust the Police to do what's right..... and then you turn right around and pretend you're going to trust them to patrol your neighborhood properly???

Would you have preferred "No Limit _____" on patrol?

[Ahem. Let's keep the discourse elevated above the hip-hop level, please. - Ransom]

This is what "Martin" called himself. If you haven't keep up with the case.... then you shouldn't make such a stupid mistake.


Since all GZ knew about TM was that he was an unknown A-A male in "his" neighborhood he did not know what TM called himself.  So your statement and attempt to justify GZ's actions and demonize TM are wasted.
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Re: Zimmerman case
« Reply #146 on: July 11, 2013, 04:17:38 PM »
Now you guys can listen to someone who knows what it means to be Black in America and learn or continue to rant and remain whatever you are..........  By the way quit wasting the ad hominem statements and references to Sharpton and guys of that ilk because I do not agree with any aspect of their agendas but I have no intentions of closing my eyes to the reality that is America and that is condoned by guys on this forum.  I guess I have learned the IFB lesson to stand for right even if you have to stand alone.
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Re: Zimmerman case
« Reply #147 on: July 11, 2013, 04:23:10 PM »
I wouldn't feel comfortable at all with GZ patrolling my neighborhood.  That would mean open season on my African-American sons even at home.  Not a good idea for me. I will stick to letting the policemen do their job of patrolling neighborhoods.

that was pretty much how i felt when i first heard about this incident.....  and a few people i know, who still feel that way, think the only reason i changed my mind is because i;m half hispanic and sympathize with the defendant.... ..  but that;s not the case at all.....and after seeing this case being argued and played out in court i am convinced now that there was no racism at all.. on the part of zimmerman...when this tragedy unfolded.....

as far it being an open season on any particular race.... i don;t see that coming from this trial or the incident itself alone......(though there could be a violent backlash from a not guilty verdict).... ..i don;t think zimmerman even knew the race of martin when he began to follow him to keep watch on what he was doing......he was simply trying to do his job.. however flawed or over zealous his methods might have been....  he genuinely thought he was doing the right thing....  ..

both my brothers wives are half african american.....  and both them and my brothers... plus all their children... have been subjected to racism in the past being targeted by both caucasions, hispanics, and even african americans, who resented seeing blonde haired blue eyed white boys married to dark brown girls and having mixed race children.......and because of that.. depending on where they lived... there were many times they felt it was open season on them...... but in reality.. with so much hatred, violence, and lawlessness being promoted by both popular culture and their antagonists ... it has essentially become an open season on everybody......

no single race or ethnic culture has the corner on racism or bigotry....  either as a perpetrator of it or a victim...... being dark brown myself, one might come to the conclusion that all the racism i have ever encountered all came from caucasions or "white" people......  but it is not true.....  i have also, though much less frequently, encountered bigotry from other hispanics and other native americans who didn;t like the idea that i live with a "white" family.... and refer to a "white" man as my father.......  though they are basically the same color i am i don;t look at them any differently than i do any other racist, no matter what color they are.....  their attitudes and comments are made out of hatred and ignorance....... and i tell them they are......

zimmerman made a critical mistake by not following the dispatchers advice and leaving the matter to police...... that much is obvious...... but does that alone justify a verdict of murder?.....  i don;t think so.....  and in truth i don;t think the prosecution or the judge believes it either...... they would not be coming across as hostile or as frustrated in their handling of this case if they truly believed they had a valid case at all....... their actions indicate they are not so much interested in preventing an open season being declared on african american young men as they are having to deal with the angry fall out and violent backlash likely to come if they fail to get george zimmerman convicted of at least something.... they over reached and they have bady botched this case..... if they can;t find zimmerman not guilty then i believe the trial should end in a mistrial and be re tried under a different judge.......  but like i said before those are just my opinions.........  we will have to wait and see what the jury says...... 
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Re: Zimmerman case
« Reply #148 on: July 11, 2013, 04:25:58 PM »
Now you guys can listen to someone who knows what it means to be Black in America and learn or continue to rant and remain whatever you are..........  By the way quit wasting the ad hominem statements and references to Sharpton and guys of that ilk because I do not agree with any aspect of their agendas but I have no intentions of closing my eyes to the reality that is America and that is condoned by guys on this forum.  I guess I have learned the IFB lesson to stand for right even if you have to stand alone.

You're not standing for anything ALONE. You sure have a high opinion of yourself. You weren't there and you don't know the heart of any other man. All you have done is make assumptions.

What have you learned about "No Limit N____"?

How about doing a quick search on his Tweeter handle and see what kind of person he was. You wouldn't let you daughter date such a man but you'd turn you back on every brother in Christ that believes Zimmerman because YOUR BLACK. This isn't really about Martin. Its about YOU.

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Re: Zimmerman case
« Reply #149 on: July 11, 2013, 04:28:52 PM »

zimmerman made a critical mistake by not following the dispatchers advice and leaving the matter to police...... that much is obvious...... but does that alone justify a verdict of murder?.....  i don;t think so.....  and in truth i don;t think the prosecution or the judge believes it either...... they would not be coming across as hostile or as frustrated in their handling of this case if they truly believed they had a valid case at all....... their actions indicate they are not so much interested in preventing an open season being declared on african american young men as they are having to deal with the fall out and angry backlash likely to come if they fail to get george zimmerman convicted of at least something.... they over reached and they have bady botched this case.....  i believe it should end in a mistrial and re tried under a different judge.......  but like i said before those are just my opinions.........  we will have to wait and see what the jury says......  [/font][/size][/color]

Martin made a critical mistake by beating a man with a Gun. Martin made a critical mistake by smoking dope that night. They even refused to play the tapes that showed Martin staggering because he was high. Martin made many critical mistake.