Revival sermons.... repeat after repeat.

R. G Lee was said to have preached Payay Someday over 1200 times and people would drive for many miles to hear it again when he was in their state.

If it's your sermon that God gave you and it continues to move people then I see nothing wrong with preaching it as you travel.

Do you really believe R. G. Lee didn't get that sermon from someone else?

I remember Jack Hyles saying he never preached a sermon on the road that he had not preached to his own people first.

Hyles was a crock and shyster. Why would you enjoy such people?

I also remember him saying his secretary recorded where he preached each of his sermons while preaching out so he would not preach the same sermon within 100 of a meeting he had preached it before, He did niot want people you came to hear preaching to hear the same sermon over and over.

The show must go on.... I suppose his secretary replaced the "Holy Spirit" in his efforts.

If a sermon helped people in one church or one area why would a preacher not preach it again in another state or area?

It helped Hyles. Which is the point.
 
I done with you once again. All you're going to do is deal dishonestly with what I said. They don't have to pay themselves and THEIR charity, that they control, is benefiting. You know..... power, influence, praise of men and etc.

You accusing someone of 'dealing dishonestly with what you said is rich.
You just make up stuff about me, having no idea what you're talking about.

Bwaaah and Haymaaan!
 
I done with you once again. All you're going to do is deal dishonestly with what I said. They don't have to pay themselves and THEIR charity, that they control, is benefiting. You know..... power, influence, praise of men and etc.
I notice when you run out of answers your "done with me". The fact is non profits have stricter rules in place specifically because of the nature of what they are and the fact they are tax free entities. So if you think an individual is benefiting personally from his non profit beyond agreed upon salary which is taxed then quit whining and do something about it. There is a specific form for it. If you choose to look the other way then you are complicit in their actions.
 
You accusing someone of 'dealing dishonestly with what you said is rich.
You just make up stuff about me, having no idea what you're talking about.

Bwaaah and Haymaaan!
You have to understand what Treasure's definition of dishonesty is. He has preconceived notions in his head of what you believe. If you go against those preconceived notions that makes you a liar. He knows better what an individual believes than what that individual does, himself.
 
They don't have to pay themselves and they're saving 25 to 35 percent.
Let me teach you how a distribution from an entity works. If an entity pays out more than $500 to an individual there are only a few IRS approved ways of handling those transactions. It may be as an employee in which case it gets processed as payroll with FICA and withholding and the taxpayer will receive a W2 which will alert the IRS to look for that income on the taxpayers 1040. It may be as a reimbursement for an expense provided proper documentation is supplied and the entity keeps it on file. It may be as an independent contractor in which case the individual will be issued a 1099 and the IRS will be looking for the income to show up on the persons 1040 schedule C. If a non profit is giving away money to one of it's directors or board members that don't fit the above criteria, the local friendly IRS agent will likely eventually be having a conversation with them.

Seems to be another area in which your hatred blinds you to the truth.
 
Do you really believe R. G. Lee didn't get that sermon from someone else?
No one actually wrote "Payday Someday." The guy Lee plagiarized it from, plagiarized it from someone else, who plagiarized it from yet another person, and so on. It's plagiarists all the way down!

In fact, I'll bet the first guy who had it was actually just a time traveller from 2252 who found it in a book of sermons, took it back to around AD 100, and passed it off to some early bishop as his own. Like Captain Kirk's eyeglasses, "Payday Someday" has no actual origin: it just exists in a closed temporal loop.
 
No one actually wrote "Payday Someday." The guy Lee plagiarized it from, plagiarized it from someone else, who plagiarized it from yet another person, and so on. It's plagiarists all the way down!

In fact, I'll bet the first guy who had it was actually just a time traveller from 2252 who found it in a book of sermons, took it back to around AD 100, and passed it off to some early bishop as his own. Like Captain Kirk's eyeglasses, "Payday Someday" has no actual origin: it just exists in a closed temporal loop.
I think I somehow missed out on that treasure. To my knowledge I've never heard that sermon.
 
You have to understand what Treasure's definition of dishonesty is. He has preconceived notions in his head of what you believe. If you go against those preconceived notions that makes you a liar. He knows better what an individual believes than what that individual does, himself.

LIAR. I know what TB has told me.

tmjborg has this preconceived notion in his head about what I've discussed with TB in the past. He thinks he knows what I said and TB.... even though he wasn't part of the conversation.

TB made an accusation against me without detailing what he claims I said was wrong. Somehow.... magically, you understand. You're the one with the issues here.
 
No one actually wrote "Payday Someday." The guy Lee plagiarized it from, plagiarized it from someone else, who plagiarized it from yet another person, and so on. It's plagiarists all the way down!

In fact, I'll bet the first guy who had it was actually just a time traveller from 2252 who found it in a book of sermons, took it back to around AD 100, and passed it off to some early bishop as his own. Like Captain Kirk's eyeglasses, "Payday Someday" has no actual origin: it just exists in a closed temporal loop.

Your exaggeration is your exaggeration. I never said anything similar to your sarcastic response. You know plagiarism is rampant in such sermons.
 
Let me teach you how a distribution from an entity works. If an entity pays out more than $500 to an individual there are only a few IRS approved ways of handling those transactions. It may be as an employee in which case it gets processed as payroll with FICA and withholding and the taxpayer will receive a W2 which will alert the IRS to look for that income on the taxpayers 1040. It may be as a reimbursement for an expense provided proper documentation is supplied and the entity keeps it on file. It may be as an independent contractor in which case the individual will be issued a 1099 and the IRS will be looking for the income to show up on the persons 1040 schedule C. If a non profit is giving away money to one of it's directors or board members that don't fit the above criteria, the local friendly IRS agent will likely eventually be having a conversation with them.

Seems to be another area in which your hatred blinds you to the truth.

I never said anything similar to what you've detailed. Talk about living in a fantasy world.
 


I recommend the following articles for those who might want more information on this problem of plagiarism in the pulpits:

• “Five Reasons You Shouldn’t Preach Other People’s Sermons” by Carey Nieuehof;

• “What Counts as Plagiarism in a Sermon?” by J.D. Greear;

• “Your Pastor is Plagiarizing His Sermons: What to Do” by Joe McKeever;

• “When Has the Preacher Crossed the Line into Plagiarism in His Sermon?” by Colin Hansen;

• “Stop Stealing Sermons!” by Dean Lentini.
 
I never said anything similar to what you've detailed. Talk about living in a fantasy world.

They don't have to pay themselves and they're saving 25 to 35 percent

So how are they profiting if they are not taking the money out of the non profit for personal gain? You should be happy they are using their personal money to pay expenses of their non-profit. Sounds like a legitimate charitable contribution to me. Means people don't have to give as much. Some people are never happy.
 
So how are they profiting if they are not taking the money out of the non profit for personal gain? You should be happy they are using their personal money to pay expenses of their non-profit. Sounds like a legitimate charitable contribution to me. Means people don't have to give as much. Some people are never happy.

I said they save 25 to 35 percent and still control the direction of the nonprofit. They don't have to pay themselves to get what they want. I'm done with you.
 
I said they save 25 to 35 percent and still control the direction of the nonprofit. They don't have to pay themselves to get what they want. I'm done with you.
So they have a non profit they contribute to which saves them 25 cents in taxes on every dollar they contribute. The non profit then uses this money to achieve it's mission whether that be supporting missionaries in Uganda or feed the homeless New York City. How does this "evil" pastor/person take advantage of the system?
 
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