The proper place of pets.

I have had pets most of my life...I have NEVER let one stand in the way of my service to God. I had a pastor whose pet cat died just before Sunday morning worship. He canceled the service for both evening and night. My wife and I left that church, as did most of the congregation. He was left with four out of thirty families.
 
See what I did with p’s there? 😊

I have heard of Pastors who miss Sunday services because their pet died.
Have ‘we’ gone overboard on treating pets like de facto children?


i did see what you did there..... and i can totally appreciate the poetry of placing pets in their proper perspective... as should be done with all things in life...... ;) ... .our lives become unbalanced and even bizzare when we boost the betterment of beasts above that of mankind..... or become bereaved beyond our own best interest at a beast;s demise..... ...such things are what causes followers of PETA .. even among my own friends... to berate me for being an avid bowhunter.... ..which i don;t apologize to them for.. .. i don;t even apoligize to them for being a fan of spanish style bull fighting... which upsets them even more....
 
I suppose that the sudden death of a beloved pet right before church might count as a family crisis.

At the very least, who wants to leave a dead animal in the house for several hours?
 
I suppose that the sudden death of a beloved pet right before church might count as a family crisis.

At the very least, who wants to leave a dead animal in the house for several hours?
Nobody would want them to leave a dead animal in their home. There is always someplace to put something like that...unless you live in an apt.
 
Do you see the collars? Those were taken off of them when they died. The one on the left was Monte. He was with us 15 years. He died in July '21. The other is Buster, we had him almost 12 years. He died in November '21. Never thought I'd miss two dogs the way I do. Did our life come to a screeching halt after they died? No. But since losing these two so close together, I can empathize with those who mourn the loss of a pet. When they go, they do take a piece of your heart. I like to say my wife and I have two dog shaped holes in our hearts.

Cancelling church for a whole day over the death of a cat seems a bit over the top but I wasn't there so I'm pretty sure I don't know the whole story. (Edit: I can almost guess this wasn't the first issue this church had with that pastor.) Our pastor and his wife lost their dachshund on a Sunday morning. No change to the schedule but I'm sure that wasn't their best Sunday in recent memory.
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i did see what you did there..... and i can totally appreciate the poetry of placing pets in their proper perspective... as should be done with all things in life...... ;) ... .our lives become unbalanced and even bizzare when we boost the betterment of beasts above that of mankind..... or become bereaved beyond our own best interest at a beast;s demise..... ...such things are what causes followers of PETA .. even among my own friends... to berate me for being an avid bowhunter.... ..which i don;t apologize to them for.. .. i don;t even apoligize to them for being a fan of spanish style bull fighting... which upsets them even more....
You can't go to a grocery store without seeing "cage free eggs" anymore. Best Foods mayonnaise puts "made with cage free eggs" on their labels. This irks me to no end. What does it say about our society when people care more for a bunch of chickens than they do pre-born human babies?
 
You can't go to a grocery store without seeing "cage free eggs" anymore. Best Foods mayonnaise puts "made with cage free eggs" on their labels. This irks me to no end. What does it say about our society when people care more for a bunch of chickens than they do pre-born human babies?
i know what you mean about the concern for animals today being greater than concern for people.... and it irks me too.... in fact... . there is a common mantra among the PETA indoctrinated that goes... "it bothers me more to see animals suffer than it does to see people suffer".. ...my liberal friends spouted that off at me so many times in attempts to object to my bowhunting that i finally started finishing it for them.... then i would tell them i mostly hunt the svelts... (young smaller female pigs not yet of breeding age)... and that i placed my shots very well so they died quickly.... they finally stopped saying it....

(and before anyone gets upset thinking i;m a cold hearted animal hater... there are 2 reasons i do that.... 1 - i was instructed when i got my bowhunting license... as a provisional invasive species control hunter... that shooting svelts was the most effective effective way to reduce the overall population of wild pigs on the island... which are not only invasive but are very destructive to the natural flora and fauna of the islands.... and 2 - svelts are easier to carry down out of the mountain rain forest than the big full grown boars... easier to process and cook too 🐷)

but i think the real reason the grocery stores like to advertise cage free eggs... or eggs from free range chickens... ...is that they believe that means the eggs will be healthier... (or that the chickens producing them will be healthier)...🐔.. ...but the fact of the matter is allowing chickens to run free in a true "range" setting only makes them more susceptible to parasites, ..and it;s why very few producers of chickens for human consumption raise them that way.... much less advertise it..

i have never actually seen how the chickens laying the eggs for best foods mayonnaise are raised... but i have seen a couple of other operations... and those chickens were not only kept in cages but also raised in stacked cages..on shelves, in warehouse settings.. where the lights were either never turned off .. or turned off and on again in cycles much shorter than true 24 hour day cycles... both methods tricked the chickens into producing more eggs because they lost all natural sense of day and night.. . .. and that made the price of the eggs cheaper plus made the egg producers richer because they had more eggs to sell...🥚🥚🥚... ..they didn;t do that all the time though.... only during time of the year when the demand for eggs was higher.... even chickens need to rest once in a while... ;)
 
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speaking of grocery stores .. (and the way americans have elevated pets to the status of defacto children).... .. pets don;t belong in grocery stores either...... not in any part of them... unless they are a certified and well trained medical assistance dog on a short leash walking on their own 4 feet... ... and no.... emotional support animals don;t count.... ...and on that same note pets don;t belong in restaurants either... or in any other business or establishment that the health department in coordination with the FDA, would have banned them from back in the age of common sense.. reason.. and decency....

and .....since i probably made enemies saying that i might as well say this too ... pets don;t belong in the lap, or in the arms of someone driving a motor vehicle either... ..it should be a moving violation offense worth losing a drivers license over.... most states have passed laws against driving while texting or talking on a cell phone.... but somehow driving with rover in your lap, while he licks your face.... blocks your vision... and interferes with operation of the steering wheel is ok?......

i was just on the verge of deciding george bush the 2nd might not be too bad a president afterall.. back in 2000 and something... but then i saw a picture posted of him driving a car with his pet dog in his lap...... and immediately i consigned him to the same category of idiocy i had already consigned his father george the 1st to for telling every child in america he refused to eat broccoli..... and would later consign the obamas and joe biden to for.... ..well.... for being biden and obama....

but don;t get me wrong.... i love dogs.... feral cats i can do without... but dogs... in their proper place... i have always loved.... but the key words there are proper place...
 
I've had 5 dobermans in my life time we never once missed church because of their actions. We have a rhodesian ridgeback now we take her up to our church many times on our visits. This is not during services
 
Okay, I wondered whether this was a serious thread or not at first, and responded accordingly early on, but since it is being given serious consideration I will weigh in with a more serious answer. My family are dog people, not cat people. The dog that I received as a puppy when I was only about 4 years old looms large in my memory, as often as the case when a dog grows up with a kid. Since that time I have had many dogs and liked plenty of them but never got overly attached. That was until an ankle biting Yorkie mix showed up in our back door on Thanksgiving years ago. My wife fed it and the rest was history. I always had a great contempt for small anklebiting house dogs, yet we lived in a peaceful coexistence for the first couple of years, mainly because my small ALAYBOY was so in love with him. He had that Napoleon complex going on and was very curmudgeonly. He grew up with my boy. During the pandemic I was still working for almost a year and a half he grew close to me in a way that's hard to explain. To make a long story short, which is too late now 😁, he's 12 years old and starting to show signs of his age and everybody in our family knows it's going to be a hard one when he goes.

Having said all of that, I can see in a situation where you discover an illness that appears all of the sudden on Sunday morning before church and that requires emergency treatment, but barring some scenario like that, if we are just talking about a pet dying the day before or the morning of church, we would place him in a dignified location and as soon as we return from church we would make provisions to take care of his burial and/or remains. No need to disrupt worship of the Lord for those kinds of appointments. And that doesn't take away from what would definitely be a deep and profound sorrow for the circumstances of our family's loss.
 
I suppose that the sudden death of a beloved pet right before church might count as a family crisis.

At the very least, who wants to leave a dead animal in the house for several hours?
I do not doubt the death of a beloved pet can be counted a ‘crisis’. But it’s hardly a reason to stay away from your responsibilities especially if you’re a vocational pastor. And there are other options besides a body left in your house.
I will add, this is my belief and not necessarily what I’d expect of everyone. If my pastor stayed home, it would likely change the way I’d look at him going forward.
 
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I do not doubt the death of a beloved pet can be counted a ‘crisis’. But it’s hardly a reason to stay away from your responsibilities especially if you’re a vocational pastor. And there are other options besides a body left in your house.
I will add, this is my belief and not necessarily what I’d expect of everyone. If my pastor stayed home, it would likely change the way I’d look at him going forward.

..yes... like keeping pets... ( aka animals 🐈 🐕 🐎 🐄 🦬🦌 🦤 🦍 🐒 🐖 )... outside where they belong.... ;)
 
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Okay, I wondered whether this was a serious thread or not at first, and responded accordingly early on, but since it is being given serious consideration I will weigh in with a more serious answer. My family are dog people, not cat people. The dog that I received as a puppy when I was only about 4 years old looms large in my memory, as often as the case when a dog grows up with a kid. Since that time I have had many dogs and liked plenty of them but never got overly attached. That was until an ankle biting Yorkie mix showed up in our back door on Thanksgiving years ago. My wife fed it and the rest was history. I always had a great contempt for small anklebiting house dogs, yet we lived in a peaceful coexistence for the first couple of years, mainly because my small ALAYBOY was so in love with him. He had that Napoleon complex going on and was very curmudgeonly. He grew up with my boy. During the pandemic I was still working for almost a year and a half he grew close to me in a way that's hard to explain. To make a long story short, which is too late now 😁, he's 12 years old and starting to show signs of his age and everybody in our family knows it's going to be a hard one when he goes.

Having said all of that, I can see in a situation where you discover an illness that appears all of the sudden on Sunday morning before church and that requires emergency treatment, but barring some scenario like that, if we are just talking about a pet dying the day before or the morning of church, we would place him in a dignified location and as soon as we return from church we would make provisions to take care of his burial and/or remains. No need to disrupt worship of the Lord for those kinds of appointments. And that doesn't take away from what would definitely be a deep and profound sorrow for the circumstances of our family's loss.
It was a serious post because I have been somewhat bothered by the way we, in my opinion, have been influenced by the extreme animal rights movement. I do understand that many do love their pets…many older people especially. However we need perspective.
 
It was a serious post because I have been somewhat bothered by the way we, in my opinion, have been influenced by the extreme animal rights movement. I do understand that many do love their pets…many older people especially. However we need perspective.
Did you just call me an "older people"?



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That was until an ankle biting Yorkie mix showed up in our back door on Thanksgiving years ago. My wife fed it and the rest was history. I always had a great contempt for small anklebiting house dogs, yet we lived in a peaceful coexistence for the first couple of years, mainly because my small ALAYBOY was so in love with him. He had that Napoleon complex going on and was very curmudgeonly. He grew up with my boy. During the pandemic I was still working for almost a year and a half he grew close to me in a way that's hard to explain. To make a long story short, which is too late now 😁, he's 12 years old and starting to show signs of his age and everybody in our family knows it's going to be a hard one when he goes.
I totally know what you mean. With our older shih tzu, we left him with his beans too long and it became turf warfare between me and him. Even after we "fixed" him, he still sported an attitude; if it came time to make him go to his room, especially if guests were around, the fight was on. He knew exactly when to play his stubborn card. The other one was nothing but a big chicken; practically going into a panic attack whenever we took him somewhere in the car. As much as those two got on my nerves, I miss them horribly.
 
i had a little dog named bunjee when i lived in los angeles... he would jump up and down trying to snatch my hostess fruit pie out of my hand... which i had to eat out in the backyard coz they were so messy.... and which i also had to hold over my head and keep turning one way and the other to keep him from getting it..... ....we called him bunjee because when jumpng like that he looked like he was on a bunjee cord....

he was definitely an outside dog.... never allowed in the house.... ..but he did love those packaged pies.. no matter what the flavor... .... if he ever got hold of one he scarfed it down in seconds..... we had to leave him with neighbors when my biological sister brought me to hawaii... ..which is kinda how we ended up with him in the first place... he was older than i was so i;m sure he ate his last piece of pie long ago.... ....

we could not bring him here due to strict animal quarantine laws in hawaii at the time.... ..which i seriously wish they had kept in place.... . after they lifted the quarantine everybody... even people who lived in highrise apartments... started buying and importing dogs... and now every day you see them all over the place following their dogs around on a leash... carrying little plastic bags... ....it;s hard to tell who is the pet and who is the master sometimes....
 
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