So you admit that particular passage does nothing to prove your point?
The TWO THOUSAND YEAR Slander of God!
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Why- when it DOES?
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Acts 4:7- And when they had set them in the midst, they inquired, By what power or by what name did you do this?
8- Then Peter, filled with the holy spirit, said to them ...
Was Peter "FILLED" with 1/3 God or the POWER of God?
8- Then Peter, filled with the holy spirit, said to them ...
Was Peter "FILLED" with 1/3 God or the POWER of God?
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Acts 4:10- know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.
11 - Jesus is " 'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.'
12- Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name GIVEN under heaven by which we must be saved."
Notice the contrast between the One True God and Jesus His son?
God has GIVEN Jesus as Savior, the Name (name meaning "Salvation of Jehovah") to be saved by.
He didn't become a man- His SON did.
11 - Jesus is " 'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.'
12- Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name GIVEN under heaven by which we must be saved."
Notice the contrast between the One True God and Jesus His son?
God has GIVEN Jesus as Savior, the Name (name meaning "Salvation of Jehovah") to be saved by.
He didn't become a man- His SON did.
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Acts 5:29- Peter and the apostles answered, We must obey God rather than men.
30- The God of our fathers raised Jesus whom you killed by hanging him on a tree.
31- God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
32- And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the holy spirit which God has given to those who obey him.
GOD raised Jesus- not Jesus by himself WHILE NOT ALIVE!
WHY was "Tree" used, instead of "Cross'"
GOD exalted him- God didn't exalt Himself- or One of Themselves!
God gives POWER- His holy spirit- not one of Three God-Beings!
30- The God of our fathers raised Jesus whom you killed by hanging him on a tree.
31- God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
32- And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the holy spirit which God has given to those who obey him.
GOD raised Jesus- not Jesus by himself WHILE NOT ALIVE!
WHY was "Tree" used, instead of "Cross'"
GOD exalted him- God didn't exalt Himself- or One of Themselves!
God gives POWER- His holy spirit- not one of Three God-Beings!
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Acts 5:32- And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the holy ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
The mis-translation of "spirit" as "Ghost" misleads.
God, thru His Power - the holy spirit- relayed this information to them.
God doesn't GIVE another God, or 1/3 of Themselves! He gives of His POWER!
The mis-translation of "spirit" as "Ghost" misleads.
God, thru His Power - the holy spirit- relayed this information to them.
God doesn't GIVE another God, or 1/3 of Themselves! He gives of His POWER!
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Many Trinitarians claim Jesus gave up 'being God' when he became a man. That means they weren't a 'Trinity'!
Stephen saw otherwise; he saw Christ AFTER being resurrected to heaven:
Acts 7:55- But he, being full of the holy ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on
the right hand of God.
God referred to separately, Christ on God's "right hand".
Even others saw the holy spirit for what it was: POWER.
Stephen wasn't FULL of one 1/3 of the Gods.
He saw God and Christ.
Stephen saw otherwise; he saw Christ AFTER being resurrected to heaven:
Acts 7:55- But he, being full of the holy ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on
the right hand of God.
God referred to separately, Christ on God's "right hand".
Even others saw the holy spirit for what it was: POWER.
Stephen wasn't FULL of one 1/3 of the Gods.
He saw God and Christ.
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Acts 8:17- Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the holy ghost.
18- And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the holy ghost was given, he offered them money,
19- Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the holy ghost.
20-But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Was one of the 'God-Persons' a GIFT from the OTHER Two?
18- And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the holy ghost was given, he offered them money,
19- Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the holy ghost.
20-But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Was one of the 'God-Persons' a GIFT from the OTHER Two?
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Here is an interesting reference to holy spirit:
Acts 8:26- And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem
unto Gaza, which is desert.
27- And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the
charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28- Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29- Then the spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot...
If by now, after reading all these many scriptures (in order from Genesis!), you are still thinking the Holy Spirit might be a GHOST-God- why was the ANGEL
there with Philip?
To me, it's easy to see that God was guiding both the angel and Philip WITH His spirit (Breath) - His POWER that his servants are "Filled" with, which is
"Poured" out and divided. Not Coming Himself and bringing an angel to relay a simple message...
We all have to choose for ourselves!
Acts 8:26- And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem
unto Gaza, which is desert.
27- And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the
charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28- Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29- Then the spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot...
If by now, after reading all these many scriptures (in order from Genesis!), you are still thinking the Holy Spirit might be a GHOST-God- why was the ANGEL
there with Philip?
To me, it's easy to see that God was guiding both the angel and Philip WITH His spirit (Breath) - His POWER that his servants are "Filled" with, which is
"Poured" out and divided. Not Coming Himself and bringing an angel to relay a simple message...
We all have to choose for ourselves!
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Acts 10:34- Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
35- but accepts those from every nation who fear him and do what is right.
36 - You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
37- You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached
38- how God ANNOINTED [appointed] Jesus of Nazareth with the holy spirit and power, and
how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
39- And we are witnesses to all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree;
40 - but God raised him on the third day and made him manifest;
41- not to all the people but to us who were chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
42- And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that he is the one ordained by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
43- To him all the prophets bear witness that every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name
The TRUE relationship of the Only True God- and His Son.
No shared 'Godhood' , No Ghost-God. GOD (a separate Being) was WITH Jesus.
I/3 God did NOT anoint (appoint) another 1/3 God, with ANOTHER 1/3 God-Ghost!
35- but accepts those from every nation who fear him and do what is right.
36 - You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
37- You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached
38- how God ANNOINTED [appointed] Jesus of Nazareth with the holy spirit and power, and
how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
39- And we are witnesses to all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree;
40 - but God raised him on the third day and made him manifest;
41- not to all the people but to us who were chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
42- And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that he is the one ordained by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
43- To him all the prophets bear witness that every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name
The TRUE relationship of the Only True God- and His Son.
No shared 'Godhood' , No Ghost-God. GOD (a separate Being) was WITH Jesus.
I/3 God did NOT anoint (appoint) another 1/3 God, with ANOTHER 1/3 God-Ghost!
I am trying to pin down the eternal ramifications of what YOU are saying the Word says.
Do YOU have ABSOLUTE assurance that YOU have eternal life in the presence of God?
I have absolute assurance that I am a child of God based on 1 John 5:13. My righteous standing before Him is not based on anything I have done or can do. (Titus 3:5, Ephesians 2:8-10) Do you have the same assurance I do? If you don't or can't attest to knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are in right relationship with God apart from the filthy rags of your own works (Isaiah 64:6), none of what you have copy-pasted means anything.
And before you start on your one string guitar again, the God I recognize has granted me assurance... Has yours?
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Yet you DON'T KNOW who He is.....
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Acts 10:44- While Peter was still speaking these words, the holy spirit came on all who heard the message.
45- The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the holy spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.
46- For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
The Holy Spirit is "poured out" and referred to as a Gift.
No Ghost-God!
God, or 1/3 God was never poured out.
45- The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the holy spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.
46- For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
The Holy Spirit is "poured out" and referred to as a Gift.
No Ghost-God!
God, or 1/3 God was never poured out.
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Acts 13:9- Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the holy spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said,
10 -"You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting
the right ways of the Lord?
11- Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind for a time, not even able to see the light of the sun."
Paul is "FILLED" with Holy Spirit!
Was he filled with a Ghost-God?
Of COURSE not!
10 -"You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting
the right ways of the Lord?
11- Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind for a time, not even able to see the light of the sun."
Paul is "FILLED" with Holy Spirit!
Was he filled with a Ghost-God?
Of COURSE not!
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Acts 15:7- After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them:
"Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the
gospel and believe.
8- God, who knows the heart, showed that He accepted them by giving
the holy spirit to them, just as he did to us.
If one just LISTENS to the scriptures they CLEARLY show the Spirit to be God's POWER- NOT a God-Ghost.
Even here it doesn't say ANYTHING to support the church dogma: God GIVES them His holy spirit.
Does He give one-third of Themselves?
No- He gives His POWER, which "fills" them as liquid in a glass.
The many references to the Spirit are completely meaningless when trying to pound the Square Peg (Trinity) into the Round Hole (God).
That's why the Catholic Church came up with the term "Sacred Mystery"!
To add credibility to nonsense in the minds of the gullible!
"Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the
gospel and believe.
8- God, who knows the heart, showed that He accepted them by giving
the holy spirit to them, just as he did to us.
If one just LISTENS to the scriptures they CLEARLY show the Spirit to be God's POWER- NOT a God-Ghost.
Even here it doesn't say ANYTHING to support the church dogma: God GIVES them His holy spirit.
Does He give one-third of Themselves?
No- He gives His POWER, which "fills" them as liquid in a glass.
The many references to the Spirit are completely meaningless when trying to pound the Square Peg (Trinity) into the Round Hole (God).
That's why the Catholic Church came up with the term "Sacred Mystery"!
To add credibility to nonsense in the minds of the gullible!
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Acts 17:29- Therefore since we are God's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone an image made by human design and skill.
30- In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
31- For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has APPOINTED. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.
Why do the Apostles never say that God raised HIMSELF from the dead?
They never say "God died for us"..
They ALWAYS say God resurrected Jesus.
And that Jesus was APPOINTED, not by Himself- but by GOD.
Trinitarians have to work very hard to fill the endlessly appearing holes
of their little lifeboat with anything they can find...but it always sinks fast!
30- In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
31- For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has APPOINTED. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.
Why do the Apostles never say that God raised HIMSELF from the dead?
They never say "God died for us"..
They ALWAYS say God resurrected Jesus.
And that Jesus was APPOINTED, not by Himself- but by GOD.
Trinitarians have to work very hard to fill the endlessly appearing holes
of their little lifeboat with anything they can find...but it always sinks fast!
According to YOUR definition. Your take on the Word vs mine.
2 Tim 1:12... "...for I know the one in whom I trust, and I am sure that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until the day of his return."
If you will not answer my question about the eternal ramifications of either position then there is nothing else to discuss.
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Acts 19:5- On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
6- When Paul placed his hands on them, the holy spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
7 -There were about twelve men in all.
Were these 12 men possessed by a Ghost-God, or filled with the "Power of the Most High"?
And what about "in the name of the Father, son, and holy ghost"?
6- When Paul placed his hands on them, the holy spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.
7 -There were about twelve men in all.
Were these 12 men possessed by a Ghost-God, or filled with the "Power of the Most High"?
And what about "in the name of the Father, son, and holy ghost"?
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Acts 20:28- Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the holy spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God
which he obtained with the blood of his own son. - RSV
Footnote: Greek with the blood of his Own- or with his own blood.
Most translators use the play of choices, choosing the latter in this case to sell more Bibles, or because of personal belief... since
it makes it SEEM like it was God who was killed!
which he obtained with the blood of his own son. - RSV
Footnote: Greek with the blood of his Own- or with his own blood.
Most translators use the play of choices, choosing the latter in this case to sell more Bibles, or because of personal belief... since
it makes it SEEM like it was God who was killed!
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Paul's letter to the congregations in Rome~
Romans 1:1- Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the good news of God-
2- the good news He promised beforehand through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures
3- regarding His son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David,
4- and who through the spirit of holiness was appointed the son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
[Was that "spirit of holiness ALSO a Ghost?]
5- Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name s sake.
6- And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.
7- To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 1:1- Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the good news of God-
2- the good news He promised beforehand through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures
3- regarding His son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David,
4- and who through the spirit of holiness was appointed the son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
[Was that "spirit of holiness ALSO a Ghost?]
5- Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name s sake.
6- And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.
7- To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.