Pastor's salaries/lifestyle.

DrHuk&Duck said:
How do YOU know this? I bet some people on this very forum can refute your statement.
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They are no doubt those allowed to do grievous things, but not to the extent that entire groups had decided to just look the other way and allow sinning to just keep on happening, Rome has let this fester for a very ;long time, and much of the blame comes back to their non biblical stance that priests must be celibate and single
 
JesusFan said:
They are no doubt those allowed to do grievous things, but not to the extent that entire groups had decided to just look the other way and allow sinning to just keep on happening, Rome has let this fester for a very ;long time, and much of the blame comes back to their non biblical stance that priests must be celibate and single
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There are approximately 1.4 billion Catholics in the world. There are approximately 50 to 100 million Baptists in the world. Catholics are essentially monolithic, whereas Baptists are by nature the opposite. I’m not saying that Rome hasn’t been involved in coverups, but you’re really comparing apples and oranges here.
 
Baptist Renegade said:
Probably not someone I would consider for the role of a Senior Pastor though. And this would be for the reasons I mentioned above.
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I get everything you said, and I believe nearly every person would feel the same way, but I think that it’s a shame if a single (never married) man is automatically unconsidered for ministry just because he chose to be celibate and dedicated his life to service for God. This is not a dealbreaker according to Scriptures. There are other dealbreakers, but celibacy isn’t one of them.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
There are other dealbreakers, but celibacy isn’t one of them.
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No. Just like being female wasn't a deal breaker for Deborah, but it's not the rule. In the absence of one's family dynamics, an express qualification for one desiring the office of bishop, what would be an equivalent substitute?
 
Ekklesian said:
No. Just like being female wasn't a deal breaker for Deborah, but it's not the rule. In the absence of one's family dynamics, an express qualification for one desiring the office of bishop, what would be an equivalent substitute?
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I suppose that depends on the denominational rules. Nowadays, it seems anything goes for the majority of them. Not long ago, the Presbyterian church (USA) allowed gay ministers to lead churches with the promise that they remain celibate while in office. That rule came and went pretty quickly.
 
JesusFan said:
Who?
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The pastor of one, and the son of the pastor of another, fundamentalist Baptist megachurch. Whose sexual abuses were covered up by moving them around. You said it didn't happen. We talked about it a lot on this forum back in the early 2000s when it did.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I suppose that depends on the denominational rules. Nowadays, it seems anything goes for the majority of them. Not long ago, the Presbyterian church (USA) allowed gay ministers to lead churches with the promise that they remain celibate while in office. That rule came and went pretty quickly.
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You're not thinking biblically about this.
 
You aren't thinking biblically about what qualifies as pastor.

Is a righteous family dynamic, i.e. a wife and children, optional?
 
Ekklesian said:
You aren't thinking biblically about what qualifies as pastor.

Is a righteous family dynamic, i.e. a wife and children, optional?
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I don’t believe a man must be married and have children to be qualified as a pastor. Is that what you’re suggesting?
 
Ekklesian said:
So it's optional.

Is "not given to much wine" optional?
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OK, so how is my view not biblical if I suggested that a never-married man should be allowed to pastor just as a married man should be? Before you change the topic to wine, how about point out my error.
 
I'm not changing the subject. We're talking about the qualifications for ministry.

You seem to be saying we can forego one because someone feels devout.

So, what is being measured or checked by the family dynamic?

Are you free to disregard it?

Is there another indicator?
 
Ekklesian said:
I'm not changing the subject. We're talking about the qualifications for ministry.

You seem to be saying we can forego one because someone feels devout.

So, what is being measured or checked by the family dynamic?

Are you free to disregard it?

Is there another indicator?
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If a man is married, he must maintain a good marriage and have obedient children, which is an indicator of good leadership. But a man is not required to be married, as Paul wasn’t married either. My seems to mesh with Got Questions anyway: https://www.gotquestions.org/qualif...He must be a person,a good husband and father.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
If a man is married, he must maintain a good marriage and have obedient children, which is an indicator of good leadership.
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The right kind of leadership. Can you expound on that?

DrHuk&Duck said:
But a man is not required to be married, as Paul wasn’t married either.
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Which takes us back to the first question I posed.

DrHuk&Duck said:
My seems to mesh with Got Questions anyway: https://www.gotquestions.org/qualifications-of-a-pastor.html#:~:text=He must be a person,a good husband and father.
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And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office... - 1 Timothy 3:10 KJV

How many presumably celibate young men do you think can fit the bill? Honestly.
 
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