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Still a squishy dispy. Not real fond of the 3rd Temple stuff though. My question regarding the remembrance of the sacrifice via outward signs stems from the notion that I don’t think in our glorified state we’ll need such reminders to adore and revere Him.

Fair question, but ultimately a false dichotomy IMNSHO.

Still working through implications here…. In our glorified states, physically and spiritually, will we need such (outward) reminders of His sacrifice?

Probably not, for a host of reasons. But, in a certain context of respect and honor I still might. Kinda like that great philosopher Ja’Marr Chase once said, Just the memories I get to have. 😁

Thanks for a thought provoking thread. I’m thinking more on this, and will revisit it after more time and study.

We will know Him regardless of those marks. We will be given a new body, like unto His. Why would He continue to bear the marks of the crucifixion? Sounds Catholic to me.

I had a preacher sign my Bible one time. It wasn’t in the vein of a fawning pre-teen at a boy band concert, but rather a token of respect and admiration/honor. I’m sure there were plenty of impressionable preacher boys who contributed to the atmosphere of near idolatrous doting on the mannagawd...

Obviously in the Welcome Forum it wouldn’t be appropriate to start any “fighting”, but I would like to see you take the premise in the excerpt above to the fighting forum and clarify/sustain what you mean.

If the KJV was good enough for the apostle Paul, it’s good enough for me. Welcome to our little kooky corner.

While I generally agree with the sentiment of advocacy, that is only valid as a premise if both partie agree that the authority for resolution lies in authority of the Scriptures, not the US Constitution or case law.

Evangelical churches for centuries, even millennia, have practiced church discipline. Do some reading on Church history and you’ll find that it is a cornerstone of what most theologians agree is a core tenant of what constitutes a legitimate church.

Yes, two times in over 20 years I’ve been involved with church discipline. Once it was resolved without going before the church, and the other resulted in the people leaving the church. Regarding the possibility of having a lawyer present in such cases, my inclination is to say no, as our goal...

Yeah, I thought that the counter perspective that they were trying to display would be a little more “ wholesome”. Just goes to show you that politics make for strange bed fellows, especially when mingled with Christianity or religion.

Well, I agree that there are boundaries that get crossed that turn from respect to hero worship, there’s nothing wrong with cultivating an attitude amongst our youth (which was usually the context that these kinds of signings took place) to see respect for godly men (and women), rather than...

Adultery and sexual sins, such as fornication, as I pointed to in the previous post are legitimate reasons for discipline, as is gossip. The Bible says that somebody who isn’t willing to work shouldn’t be entitled to eat (2 Thes 3). That same passage says that those who are lazy and won’t work...

What do you do with the power granted to the church leaders in passages like this… “It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather...

So are you saying that Church discipline is antiquated and stupid in general? Or just that the manner (of church discipline) in which some people wield power over the sheep is wrong?

Making an analogy between a corporate employment/termination situation and a church disciplinary action seems to be a stretch. The implication of thorough and prudent disciplinary action within a theological and ecclesiastical context means that a person can’t just do what Dave Hyles (and...

Bears Super Bowl win??? Dude, 1985. You’re old. 😆

When I said I hadn’t watched the “halftime show in probably 20 years”, that was a clue as to how disinterested I am/was. The only reason I proposed the question was because of the demographic of this forum being in the wheelhouse for Turning Point USA, coupled with the intense amount of...