501c3 is an abomination

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Yoking up a church assembly to the Federal Government and incorporating a church into a Corporation, where the pastor of that assembly becomes a CEO (Hireling) and where the deacons and elders are now 'board members' and share holders, is contrary to Scripture.

Establishing the State as the sole authority and sovereign head over your church is removing the headship of the Lord Jesus Christ. And that is exactly what most churches in America have done.

The 501c3 'church' corporations across this country have no protected Constitutionally protected rights. Since the State is the creator of that 501c3 Corporation. The State gives its creature its rights and can also take them away.

Furthermore, in the Scriptures, you never find one instance where the Lord, or any of His apostles and disciples ever went to the Government of their day for permission to preach the Gospel. They never asked permission to labour in their ministry.

And so why are so many so called 'pastors' doing it now, where they are seeking permission from the Government to start a church assembly and to preach the word. 501c3 incorporated 'churches' are one of the main reasons why Christianity has become weak in this country,  and why many Christians have been silenced.

501c3 is a 'sacred' cow to many ministers today, because they fear losing their tax exempt status (which they already had prior to their incorporation under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution) if they preach on anything controversial.  The silence of most ministers when it comes to the rampant cesspool of sin and iniquity in our nation today is most certainly deafening. No wonder iniquity is abounding as much as it is. If more men behind the pulpit would actually grow a backbone and would start caring more about standing for what is right, rather than being popular, perhaps more ministers who have learned about the issue of 501c3 Incorporation would start to repent and openly denounce all 501c3 status of their assemblies.

Another thing to consider concerning this 501c3 issue is the following. Just have a look at the other type of Organizations which also fall under the 501c3 incorporated status:

*Church of Wicca  [http://www.wicca.org/]

* The First Church of Satan [www.churchofsatan.org]

* The Witches' Voice [www.witchvox.com]

*Church of Scientology [www.scientology.org]

* The Secular Web (Anti-God Organization) [www.infidels.org]

* Mormon Church of Latter-Day Saints [www.lds.org]

* Touchstone Local Council Covenant of the Goddess [www.tlcweb.org]

* Satanist Cult of Cthulhu

*American Atheists [www.atheists.org]

*Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders [www.glad.org]

*QCinema: Gay & Lesbian Internation Film Festival [www.qcinema.org]

*U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops [www.uscb.org]

*Pagan Druids of CedarLight Grove [www.cedarlightgrove.org]

*Planned Parenthood (Baby-Killers) [www.plannedparenthood.org]


And so If there is anyone on here who is considering starting a church assembly and ministry, for the love of all that is good and decent, DO NOT incorporate your church ministry. Please,  do take heed to this post. If you are going to incorporate as 501c3, after knowing what you know now about 501c3 incorporation, then you might as well just write I–chabod at the front of your assembly.
 
BB you are a hoot.  :) :)

Your English translation of choice was written by the Government Church of England.

How can you use a Government Bible?
 
Biker said:
Yes we know this is wrong  8)


Well I am glad to hear that biker. I pray that more people out there, especially Christians learn about the 501c3 Incorporation Issue. Because it is an issue of Authority.

Jesus Christ our Lord and His holy word is to have the Authority and Preeminence over His church. Not the State,  not the Federal Government, and Not the IRS.
 
Biblebeliever said:
Biker said:
Yes we know this is wrong  8)


Well I am glad to hear that biker. I pray that more people out there, especially Christians learn about the 501c3 Incorporation Issue. Because it is an issue of Authority.

Jesus Christ our Lord and His holy word is to have the Authority and Preeminence over His church. Not the State,  not the Federal Government, and Not the IRS.
Yes. There is so much greed and abuse in the church by leaders, this is just one problem. Not nearly the worst of the problems, imho
 
Biblebeliever said:
Establishing the State as the sole authority and sovereign head over your church is removing the headship of the Lord Jesus Christ. .

The makers of the KJV accepted King James I as the sovereign head over the state Church of England.  The epistle of dedication in the 1611 KJV was addressed "TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE, JAMES."

Biblebeliever, are you now in effect condemning your own promotion of the authority of an earthly king [James I] and the state church that was under his earthly authority that would be evident in your advocating of a KJV-only theory?

 
The OP has got to be the stupidest post I have ever read on this board!

ALL churches are AUTOMATICALLY non-taxable under 501c3 (See 508c1a).

A church being incorporated has nothing at all to do with federal law including 501c3. Incorporation laws are STATE laws and have nothing to do with federal law.

State laws regarding incorporation of churches vary. Some are intrusive, some are not. It depends on which state you are in.

If your church is NOT non-taxable under 501c3 then you are paying tax on every dime in the collection plate, and if not you are committing a federal felony!

Ask the people at Indianapolis Baptist Temple how rejecting 501c3 status worked out for them!
 
Honestly, I was surprised that he typed out his own thoughts instead of posting another video.
 
Thomas Cassidy said:
The OP has got to be the stupidest post I have ever read on this board!

ALL churches are AUTOMATICALLY non-taxable under 501c3 (See 508c1a).

A church being incorporated has nothing at all to do with federal law including 501c3. Incorporation laws are STATE laws and have nothing to do with federal law.

State laws regarding incorporation of churches vary. Some are intrusive, some are not. It depends on which state you are in.

If your church is NOT non-taxable under 501c3 then you are paying tax on every dime in the collection plate, and if not you are committing a federal felony!

Ask the people at Indianapolis Baptist Temple how rejecting 501c3 status worked out for them!
wow
 
Unless your congregation does not collect any money, does not have a building, does not have employees, it is wise to be incorporated as a 501c3.

If your congregation pays people you must withhold payroll taxes.

If your congregation has a building you should be incorporated.

You should be incorporated to limit liability to your membership. If you are not incorporated the judgement would go against all the members personally, that would be a nightmare, people would loose their homes and their assets.

Do not even think about operating your ecclesia as anything other than a not for profit.

The members of your ecclesia would be the owners of the not for profit corporation.

At FBCH the members own the not for profit corp that was incorporated in 1913 in Indiana known as First Baptist Church of Hammond, Inc.

First Baptist Church of Hammond, Inc. is simply the entity that owns all the earthly  assets of the ecclesia (in this case millions of dollars worth of real property) and interfaces with other businesses and the Government on behalf of the owners of the corporation.

Others can do whatever they want. Our forefathers made the decision for us, and wisely I might add.

Remember Romans 13, we do. I support and respect all our governmental entities. Even the State Fire Marshall that inspects our buildings to make sure our people are safe when in our buildings. Only a nut would resist.

Remember those people in Indianapolis.
 
The church we are members at is a 501c3 . We pay rent on the building but pay no wages to anyone per scripture

Since we moved, we've been attending the local church in town part of the time. These two churches are very different. No wages and no rent paid. So no reason to be a 501c3  Barely any money is collected and that money is always counted
by 3 people with receipts being required for any purchases. Sure makes it easy to use cash for everything.




 
Biker said:
The church we are members at is a 501c3 . We pay rent on the building but pay no wages to anyone per scripture

Since we moved, we've been attending the local church in town part of the time. These two churches are very different. No wages and no rent paid. So no reason to be a 501c3  Barely any money is collected and that money is always counted
by 3 people with receipts being required for any purchases. Sure makes it easy to use cash for everything.

Sounds like an ideal situation.

We cannot do that as we have over 100 years as a not for profit. Dissolution would be out of the question.
 
FSSL said:
How can someone be so outlandishly wrong on everything?

I think it has to do with a refusal to recognize history and even worst to learn from history.

If an honest man is wrong, after demonstrating that he is wrong, he either stops being wrong or he stops being honest.
 
bgwilkinson said:
Biker said:
The church we are members at is a 501c3 . We pay rent on the building but pay no wages to anyone per scripture

Since we moved, we've been attending the local church in town part of the time. These two churches are very different. No wages and no rent paid. So no reason to be a 501c3  Barely any money is collected and that money is always counted
by 3 people with receipts being required for any purchases. Sure makes it easy to use cash for everything.

Sounds like an ideal situation.

We cannot do that as we have over 100 years as a not for profit. Dissolution would be out of the question.
Yeah that is too bad you cannot go off the radar. If just for the sake of privacy.

House churches are gaining momentum so it will be interesting to see how the IRS handles that. You seem to be pretty educated upon this subject

I fear the IRS will demand the names and addresses of church members during the Tribulation in order to hunt them down. I've been increasingly dismayed with Big Br*th*r so we've been going off the radar slowly as best we can cause it will be building up to that. California is the #1 nanny state. When I sell my business, and she quits her job (soon hopefully) we'll be almost totally off the radar living as free as possible. For now, we are caregiving with her two 90 year old parents so miss so much church anyhow. And can't go off the radar until they pass on




 
FSSL said:
How can someone be so outlandishly wrong on everything?
MY guess is they teach this stuff at the "church" and it goes unquestioned
 
Biblebeliever said:
Yoking up a church assembly to the Federal Government and incorporating a church into a Corporation . . . is contrary to Scripture.

Scripture? Not a single verse to be found in this entire screed.

"Biblebeliever." Feh.
 
Biblebeliever said:
Another thing to consider concerning this 501c3 issue is the following. Just have a look at the other type of Organizations which also fall under the 501c3 incorporated status:

*Church of Wicca  [http://www.wicca.org/]

* The First Church of Satan [www.churchofsatan.org]

Hurrah, the fallacy of the undistributed middle term (aka guilt by association)!

Ever notice how Bibleburner speaks English? Just have a look at some of the other people and organizations who speak English:

[*] Satanists
[*] Wiccans
[*] Scientologists
[*] Mormons
[*] Gays
[*] Contemporary Christian Music artists
[*] Hollywood movie directors
[*] Modern Bible translators
[*] Steven Anderson

Why hasn't the hypocrite Bibleburner separated himself from these doers of evil?
 
Thomas Cassidy said:
The OP has got to be the stupidest post I have ever read on this board!

ALL churches are AUTOMATICALLY non-taxable under 501c3 (See 508c1a).

A church being incorporated has nothing at all to do with federal law including 501c3. Incorporation laws are STATE laws and have nothing to do with federal law.

State laws regarding incorporation of churches vary. Some are intrusive, some are not. It depends on which state you are in.

If your church is NOT non-taxable under 501c3 then you are paying tax on every dime in the collection plate, and if not you are committing a federal felony!

Ask the people at Indianapolis Baptist Temple how rejecting 501c3 status worked out for them!

BB has never let the facts get in the way of a good rant, a and the chances to call others satanist.  It's part of his charm.
 
T-Bone said:
BB has never let the facts get in the way of a good rant, a and the chances to call others satanist.  It's part of his charm.

So that's what they're calling it now?  Sort of like "bless your heart"?
 
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