Accreditation Is no Longer Compromise?

AmazedbyGrace

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I suspected this was being considered back when they removed Chappell's anti-accreditation diatribe against accreditation, but now it is official. They are applying for TRACS accreditation, as lame as that is.

http://wcbc.edu/academics/accreditation

College students - find a school that is regionally accredited. TRACS is not all that helpful, though at least better than absolutely nothing.

IMHO, he conveniently ranted against accreditation back when he knew he would not qualify for it.

WCBC is still not showing up on the TRACS site.

http://www.tracs.org/TRACS_Members_all.html
 

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The problem here, Amazed, is that many of these unaccredited colleges are lying. They say that they are unaccredited because they don't want the government to interfere with them, but the truth is, they cannot meet the standards of accreditation.

Bob Jones University proved that you CAN provide a college education without accreditation, but most of these colleges cannot.
 

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Ahhh... the... "Don't need to be accredited" propaganda. It has been a mystery to me why BJU has successfully spread this idea.
 

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I can't imagine what it would be like for a Christian college to seek accreditation in California.
 

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FSSL said:
Ahhh... the... "Don't need to be accredited" propaganda. It has been a mystery to me why BJU has successfully spread this idea.
With BJU, it worked. By the way, they are now either accredited or seeking accreditation. Believing that a college education does not guarantee success in the ministry, Hyles started a college that does not provide a college education, but he didn't tell the students that.
 

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Vince Massi said:
With BJU, it worked.
Are you sure about that? They have claimed to have no need for accreditation because they were somehow special.

I never believed it. It was just another piece of BJU propaganda.

IF it didn't matter then why do they have TRACS now?
 

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FSSL said:
Vince Massi said:
With BJU, it worked.
Are you sure about that? They have claimed to have no need for accreditation because they were somehow special.

I never believed it. It was just another piece of BJU propaganda.

IF it didn't matter then why do they have TRACS now?
Valid point. Since its beginning as a college, BJU has ALWAYS provided a genuine college education for its students. There are, of course, problems with their doctrine, the fact that no BJU grad has ever pastored a megachurch, etc. But I have taught with BJU grads, and they really did know how to teach, and they really did live Godly lives.
 

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JrChurch said:
I can't imagine what it would be like for a Christian college to seek accreditation in California.
There are many accredited Christian colleges in CA. Biola, Azusa Pacific, and Master's College just to name a few. Besides a few years back Chappell had the church's high school accredited with WASC, so why didn't he get WCBC accredited back then?

Looks like the local kids have finally realized going to an unaccredited college will end up harming them, cause a lot of them have chosen to go to the public community college this year. Too bad Chappell (and his staff) subjected teens to high pressure sales tactics to get them to go to WCBC in prior years. He hurt a lot of people doing that.
 

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I've lived in the SF area and the LA area so I am familiar with the colleges. A nephew is earning his umpteenth master's at Fuller, a bro-in-law went to SF theological and a niece was at Cal Baptist. I still can't imagine trying to accredit a Christian institution in the current CA climate.
 

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I attended an unaccredited college in FL and transferred to an accredited college. They looked over my transcripts and the classes I took and may grades and accepted all of them. Acreditation is good but who is doing it would be a big issue. Remember, these colleges are for people seeking to get into ministry. I personally would seek a collage that does not have a religious name if I were looking to get into working for the gov. Crown College was a good name 'til the added on to it--keep it simple and keep it short. In reality, an education is to give you an open door to better opportunities. If you are a strong Christian, than the state university would be fine. But going to a Bible college for a year to find a mate it a big plus too.
 

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inskip said:
I attended an unaccredited college in FL and transferred to an accredited college. They looked over my transcripts and the classes I took and may grades and accepted all of them. Acreditation is good but who is doing it would be a big issue. Remember, these colleges are for people seeking to get into ministry. I personally would seek a collage that does not have a religious name if I were looking to get into working for the gov. Crown College was a good name 'til the added on to it--keep it simple and keep it short. In reality, an education is to give you an open door to better opportunities. If you are a strong Christian, than the state university would be fine. But going to a Bible college for a year to find a mate it a big plus too.
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Most seminaries will now accept West Coast Baptist since they received candidacy status with TRACS. I know SBC's big 6 approved besides SBTS. Chappell is a big name now not only among the IFB circle but also within conservative politics and evangelical circles.
 

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Vince Massi said:
FSSL said:
Vince Massi said:
With BJU, it worked.
Are you sure about that? They have claimed to have no need for accreditation because they were somehow special.

I never believed it. It was just another piece of BJU propaganda.

IF it didn't matter then why do they have TRACS now?
Valid point. Since its beginning as a college, BJU has ALWAYS provided a genuine college education for its students. There are, of course, problems with their doctrine, the fact that no BJU grad has ever pastored a megachurch, etc. But I have taught with BJU grads, and they really did know how to teach, and they really did live Godly lives.
A good summary.  The few BJU grads I know seem to be pretty laid-back and they don't make the churches they pastor about them.

I'm thinking that to be a megachurch, a pastor needs to make the church about himself instead of Jesus Christ.  (I don't think Spurgeon did this, but I'm thinking of the larger IFB churches -- Hyles, Gray (TX), and others).  My experience of megachurches is limited.
 

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AmazedbyGrace said:
I suspected this was being considered back when they removed Chappell's anti-accreditation diatribe against accreditation, but now it is official. They are applying for TRACS accreditation, as lame as that is.

http://wcbc.edu/academics/accreditation

College students - find a school that is regionally accredited. TRACS is not all that helpful, though at least better than absolutely nothing.

IMHO, he conveniently ranted against accreditation back when he knew he would not qualify for it.

WCBC is still not showing up on the TRACS site.

http://www.tracs.org/TRACS_Members_all.html
Bah.... despise a church that can't keep to what they preach. If they change, they should be honest about the fact that they are changing and NOT try to pretend that they believed this all along.

I remember when a nearby HAC-grad church "suddenly" decided (probably because of the CLA) that they needed written parental permission to baptize a child). They claimed (and how they said this with a straight face) that this had always been their policy... that's hogwash.  I remember the leadership running down lost parents -- (how would they know what their child should do?, they said).  Anyway, it was blatantly hypocritical.

And then, later, when they started requiring background checks for workers with children - they pretended like they were doing this off their own initiative, when it was clear that the insurance company was mandated that they do this change.  Blech!
 
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