BEWARE: Are You Encouraging Apostasy?

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As I read through some of the comments on the forum, I quite often see people sneering at churches that are KJV-only. Have any of you really reviewed the potential pitfalls with not using only the KJV? Are these other versions of the Bible, such as the NIV, NASV, and even the NKJV sinful?

The NIV contains 185 omissions from that of the KJV. Why is this an issue? (See Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelations 22:19). For example, one verse that’s particularly troubling is Luke 4:4:

KJV version: “And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.”

NIV version: Jesus answered, “It is written: “Man shall not live on bread alone.”

The NIV Bible version comes from the lineage of Wescott-Hort (1881). These were liberals who didn’t believe in the virgin birth. Did you know that?
 
According to the older manuscripts, the KJV adds. Besides, every KJV is different.

Isnt it concerning that the more prolific and most followed voices of the KJVOnly group deny the Trinity, refuse to meet with others on a regular basis? Have multiple marriages and made a living cussing other people out?

KJVOnlyism is a cult which attracts cult followers... and they dont care
 
I shall add that Jesus shared a warning from the Father that we will need His help to discern who loved Him to keep His words from those that did not.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. KJV

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. KJV

I used to read the Ryrie NASB Study Bible and the NIV before the Lord led me to rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words to discern good and evil with His help because anti-KJVO will say that not all Bibles are saying the same thing and some of them refer seekers for the truth to learn the Greek & Hebrew; but I have seen these Greek scholars argue among themselves about their own personal translation and so that is not the way to go, but to trust Jesus Christ to help us find that Bible version that loved Him to keep His words.

Between Antioch where the disciples studied His words for a year Acts 11:26 KJV and the Alexandrian manuscripts where poetic licensing and Gnosticism was known to exists in area of Alexandria, it should be an easy discernment as to which source documents to rely on, but even then, we need Jesus Christ to help us prove everything, even in the KJV in rightly dividing the word of truth.

The "three Witnesses in Heaven" of 1 John 5:7 was originally scripture as extra-Biblical sources cited it as far back as 200 A.D. at this link; IS 1 JOHN 5:7 NOT IN ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPT BEFORE THE 1600S? IF IT IS TRUE, WHY IS IT IN THE KJV? Scroll half way down that web page to see that list that proves 1 John 5:7 was originally scripture for those that doubt it because of Erasmus.

BUT some KJV has in the footnotes that Biblical scholars believe the behemoth of Job 40:15-18 KJV was an alligator, elephant, or a hippo, but scriptures describe the tail of this behemoth as a cedar which is a tree in verse 17 and thus a dinosaur. Science recently discovered that the sex organs of the dinosaurs are internal which verse 17 also describes it as "17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. " So the evolution theory has corrupted the education of modern Biblical scholars that they cannot see His words plainly enough of a dinosaur. So even there, we need His help to discern and prove every footnote in that KJV Bible.

And I have seen evidence of how even Strong's concordance can be influenced by false teachings to add the definition of the hell in the after life and not just a place on earth which is the only definition for the Greek word "geena" or Gehenna. So believers that err in thinking one can lose their salvation are teaching others by this way also when in actuality, the only reason Jesus is warning believers Luke 12:40-49 KJV & the 7 churches in Revelation ( as an example of one being cast into the great tribulation if they do not repent is Revelation 2:18-25 KJV ) to be ready as not found in unrepentant iniquity or else be cast into that "Gehenna" as left behind from that Holy City of God in Heaven; ZION.

There is no loss of salvation, but a loss of being partakers of the firstfruits; the vessels unto honor in His House, the vessels of gold & silver that live forever like the angels and has a place in the City of God, a mansion in the Father's House whereas those left behind to die, their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven to await for their resurrection as vessels unto dishonor after the great tribulation as vessels of wood & earth to serve the king of kings from all over the world in raising up the next generation and to eat from the tree of life in that City of God on earth to visit.

So let us trust Jesus Christ as our personal Good Shepherd & Friend to help us discern by the meat of the KJV and depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom comes so as to not miss out on being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection to dine at the Marriage Supper table in Heaven. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-24 KJV & 2 Timothy 4:18 KJV
 
Deleting or adding to God's Word csrries the same warnings.

Perhaps if is important to understand that not a single KJV version is identical... so, you could fall into the cultic Australian trap and identify your own KJV version as the right one.
 
According to the older manuscripts, the KJV adds. Besides, every KJV is different.

Isnt it concerning that the more prolific and most followed voices of the KJVOnly group deny the Trinity, refuse to meet with others on a regular basis? Have multiple marriages and made a living cussing other people out?

KJVOnlyism is a cult which attracts cult followers... and they dont care
I would not defend KJVOnlyism but the faith in Jesus Christ because the KJV is not a "perfect" Bible that even the KJV translators infer as much in the original preface to the KJV.

What should be noted is that anti-KJVers will admit that not all Bibles are saying the same thing.

So how do we discern good & evil if modern bibles change the meaning of His words that supports false teachings or even infer that the Holy Spirit will make intercessions for us out loud as if tongues can be used for private use?

Remember how and why the lost books are not in the Bible? Because they are not accepted as scripture for the lost books run against scripture.

So when it comes to modern Bibles, scripture cannot go against scripture in that modern Bible because if it does, doubt is sown in His words as if did God really meant that? I have gone to the KJV Bible to confirm the truth in His words that modern bibles have changed that sows doubts in His words. Example below.

All Bibles testify in John 16:13 that the Holy Spirit cannot speak from Himself or speak on His initiative or on His own authority, but can only speak or utter what He hears. Examples below:

John 16:13 in KJV & NIV & WE & ESV & TLB

But now compare where the truth of John 16:13 is not maintained in Romans 8:26-27 in those 4 other modern Bibles but the KJV does maintain it.

Romans 8:26-27 KJV & NIV & WE & ESV & TLB

Only the KJV and a few other modern Bibles has kept the truth in His words that the Holy Spirit cannot even utter His own groanings, let alone His intercessions out loud from Himself.

Except for the KJV, the other 4 versions commits a grammatical error in switching out the "he" in verse 27 with "the Spirit". How can the "he" that is separate from us in searching our hearts and separate from the Spirit to know the mind of, be the Spirit in the conclusion of that verse? It cannot. The "he" is Jesus Christ that searches our hearts Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV as He is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit to give His silent intercessions to the Father because that is the will of the Father for the Son to do, being the only Mediator between God and men at that throne of grace 1 Timothy 2:5 KJV as He alone presents all intercessions to the Father Hebrews 7:25 KJV so that when the Father says yes to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers. John 14:13-14 KJV

Now naysayers will denounce that Romans 8:26-27 is inferring tongues for private use in any way while ignoring those that say it does say that. To the latter I say what need for Him to speak out loud and in gibberish nonsense as if being exclusive to only tongue speakers for private use? The Holy Spirit makes intercessions for all believers silently for why the father knows before we, ourselves, ask anything in prayer because the son searches oru hearts and knows the mind of the Spirit for how the Father knows before we even begin to pray even in silence.

Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

That is just one example for why I rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words to discern good and evil by it by His grace & by His help, whereas other modern Bibles do not.

And since keeping the faith is the good fight as those who use tongues for private use are in apostasy, and are at risk of being left behind for the utter depths of Satan for which they speak note verse 24 in Revelation 2:18-25 KJV for committing spiritual adultery in that warning to that church for seeking that baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues Matthew 12:38-40 KJV .
 
Deleting or adding to God's Word csrries the same warnings.

Perhaps if is important to understand that not a single KJV version is identical... so, you could fall into the cultic Australian trap and identify your own KJV version as the right one.
So which Bible version do you recommend? None? Then something has to be wrong with that kind of judgment.

When modern bibles are supporting false teachings and apostasy by changing key verses that are also taken out of context to support said false teachings, and I see the KJV does not, I shall stick with the KJV as I rely on Jesus Christ to prove everything by the meat kept in that KJV Bible as done by those that loved Him and His words.
 
As I read through some of the comments on the forum, I quite often see people sneering at churches that are KJV-only. Have any of you really reviewed the potential pitfalls with not using only the KJV? Are these other versions of the Bible, such as the NIV, NASV, and even the NKJV sinful?

The NIV contains 185 omissions from that of the KJV. Why is this an issue? (See Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelations 22:19). For example, one verse that’s particularly troubling is Luke 4:4:

KJV version: “And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.”

NIV version: Jesus answered, “It is written: “Man shall not live on bread alone.”

The NIV Bible version comes from the lineage of Wescott-Hort (1881). These were liberals who didn’t believe in the virgin birth. Did you know that?
This is KJVO hogwash! Different underlying texts...so get real. I hate deception from the KJVO pundits.
 
According to the older manuscripts, the KJV adds. Besides, every KJV is different.

Isnt it concerning that the more prolific and most followed voices of the KJVOnly group deny the Trinity, refuse to meet with others on a regular basis? Have multiple marriages and made a living cussing other people out?

KJVOnlyism is a cult which attracts cult followers... and they dont care
So true! I was a part of that "cult" once. These people are driving people AWAY from the kingdom of God instead of towards it with their deceptive message. I've heard them go as far as saying one couldn't really be saved unless they used a KJV....how stupid.
 
Can you give an example? General vague references carries little substance for the progress of any discussion.
You mean "cut and paste" and long diatribes like you're doing here on these forums? No thank you. All I can do is ask...how did men and women get saved without the KJV before 1611? ...my oh my...I guess they didn't. I go by the principle of keeping it simple instead of writing term papers on the internet. I mean, yes, I know this is a discussion board, but, being a bloviating idiot isn't my style.
 
Isnt it concerning that the more prolific and most followed voices of the KJVOnly group deny the Trinity, refuse to meet with others on a regular basis?
Hogwash. I’ve been affiliated with fundamentalism in some capacity my entire life. NOT ONCE have I ever heard anyone deny the Trinity.
KJVOnlyism is a cult which attracts cult followers... and they dont care
Hogwash again! We can call any church a “cult,” and anyone who goes to any church a “cult member.” Those who identify as Methodist—cult! Those who identify as Presbyterian—cult! Those who identify as Lutheran—cult! See how easy that is?
 
Hogwash. I’ve been affiliated with fundamentalism in some capacity my entire life. NOT ONCE have I ever heard anyone deny the Trinity.

Hogwash again! We can call any church a “cult,” and anyone who goes to any church a “cult member.” Those who identify as Methodist—cult! Those who identify as Presbyterian—cult! Those who identify as Lutheran—cult! See how easy that is?
I've heard very few deny the Trinity...there are some who do, but 99% do not. And yes, we can call any church a cult...but, I believe the KJV ONLIES to be thoroughly brainwashed into believing that there is some kind of second inspiration, or that this has been "purified seven times" and other hogwash they like to try and pull. Doesn't cut it. It's a TRANSLATION/VERSION, and even the good translators admitted this in their prelude. I'm thankful at least for THEIR honesty. Don't forget, I'm KJV PREFERRED...I grew up with it, I use it in my teaching an preaching, and I love the translation because I grew up with it and know it well. But, I'm not against other translations that encourage people to live Godly Christian lives...Too bad they're always being attacked as heretics because they don't use the good ol' KJV> How sad.
 
Hogwash. I’ve been affiliated with fundamentalism in some capacity my entire life. NOT ONCE have I ever heard anyone deny the Trinity.

Steven Avery denies the Trinity and he had an entire IFB forum salivating at his posts... even when they knew he denied the Trinity.

Its not as uncommon as you think. KJVOism makes the mind ripe to accept all kinds of cultic possibilities.
 
So true! I was a part of that "cult" once. These people are driving people AWAY from the kingdom of God instead of towards it with their deceptive message. I've heard them go as far as saying one couldn't really be saved unless they used a KJV....how stupid.
Remember Insurrection Day as incited by undercover F.B.I. agents? The Jesuits have a lot to gain to drive people from the meat of His words as kept in the KJV on the internet whereas modern bibles, because of its changed messages, allow doubts to be sown towards God's words within that modern Bible.

Some, but not all modern Bibles will change the message in 1 Corinthians 1:18 as "are being saved" as applying towards the false teaching that we are in the process of being saved and thus not saved yet. This aids towards any and all false teachings of the works in Catholicism.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. ....21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Now contenders will go to the underlying text by insinuating that KJV has it wrong as some will support that false teaching while another just refers to the ongoing sanctification process BUT they are both wrong because this is about the result of having believed the preaching of the cross that we are saved s note verse 21, God is pleased to save those that believe that preaching of the cross.

I believe one can use any Bible to lead seekers to believe in Jesus Christ & be saved. So I am not a KJVO per your definition and judgment on the whole group.

And I doubt any anti-KJVer can say who officially represents KJVO as I doubt any one that says they are officially KJVO can prove that they are the authority or founder of JVO.

BUT I only rely on the Lord Jesus Christ as my Good shepherd & friend to help me to follow Him by use of the KJV for discerning good & evil in these latter days where faith is hard to find.

Ever came across that lying diatribe of King James being gay and changed the Bible? Yet to anti-KJVOers that use that false charge, I point out that the verses against homosexuality are still in that KJV Bible and there is no differences on that part in any modern bible either.

So try not to join the crowd or the mob against all subjects of relying only on the KJV, as we are to prove all things by Jesus Christ, even those who claim they only use the KJV. I remember one such poster in another forum claiming he only used the KJV but when correcting him of a false teaching by that same KJV, he went to Bible NET to defend that false teaching. So he was not really only relying on the KJV.

And I have come across others that are in false teachings that claim they only use the KJV, but again I can by the grace of God & His help, use that same KJV to correct them thus proving they were not rightly dividing the word of truth.

Usually in any discussion, the hostility and the bigotry against KJV never seems to go away probably because they apply everything offensive about KJVO to any that rely only on the KJV as if they are KJVO. They cannot see me as anything but KJVO even though I do not identify with all that is "claimed" as KJVO but I do rely on the KJV for the meat of His words whereas modern Bibles do support false teachings and apostasy.
 
So which Bible version do you recommend? None? Then something has to be wrong with that kind of judgment.
A wide variety. I am able to read Greek and Hebrew and enjoy working through those texts as well.

I am not against Gods Word, at all!

When modern bibles are supporting false teachings ...

The KJVOs have plenty of false teachings and all they use is the KJV.
 
This is KJVO hogwash! Different underlying texts...so get real. I hate deception from the KJVO pundits.
Thankfully we have the Word of God to rely on and not just the “Word of Joe.” The deception comes from those who are pushing to alter the Bible with their liberal human-inspired lies.
 
Thankfully we have the Word of God to rely on and not just the “Word of Joe.” The deception comes from those who are pushing to alter the Bible with their liberal human-inspired lies.
Prove they are....You KJVO's always spout this hogwash, and it's downright sickening.
 
It's a TRANSLATION/VERSION, and even the good translators admitted this in their prelude. I'm thankful at least for THEIR honesty.
I realize we don’t have the original manuscript, but I’m focusing on biblical lineage.

If you’re using anything except the KJV, then you’re tracing roots back to the Alexandrian texts from Egypt and North Africa (AD 300-400).

If you’re using the KJV, then you’ll fall under Textus Receptus (AD 450) and the traditional text. Of course the Catholics fall under the Latin Vulgate and Western Texts.
 
You mean "cut and paste" and long diatribes like you're doing here on these forums? No thank you. All I can do is ask...how did men and women get saved without the KJV before 1611? ...my oh my...I guess they didn't. I go by the principle of keeping it simple instead of writing term papers on the internet. I mean, yes, I know this is a discussion board, but, being a bloviating idiot isn't my style.
Now you are just spouting anti-KJV nonsense. Why not apply that to NIV or NASB or ESV? Who got saved before modern bibles?

Same as that nonsense about did Jesus speak in King James. Okay then did Jesus speak in modern English?

How about when we translate the Bible into other languages?

Kind of a self defeating argument and hypocritical judgment that is usually carried over by anti-KJVers without actually thinking about it.

You want it simple? Be direct and have substance for a discussion to progress on. So far it is just an argument on your part.

As for my post, making full proof of the ministry is required as those seeking the truth will appreciate the rightly dividing the word of truth since keeping the faith is the good fight.
 
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