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Well Jack Hyles wouldn't approve of Groeschel or other seeker sensitive mega church pastors just like Vineyard silently holds a grudge against former OBC students going to the seeker sensitive churches. At least Caleb Garraway has remained loyal and so has Jon Shaver. Windsor Hills should seriously consider hiring Caleb as Pastor since he's tight with the Vineyards. Caleb would bring in big crowds, revive OBC, bring Alvin Martinez to sing once a year, and Windsor Hills will be back up and running.
 

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AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Caleb would bring in big crowds, revive OBC, bring Alvin Martinez to sing once a year, and Windsor Hills will be back up and running.

Because, clearly (in your book), that's all it takes. Nothing about needing God's blessing.  Let's just do it with human effort.

"Unless the LORD keep the city, the watchman watcheth but in vain"
 

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AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Well Jack Hyles wouldn't approve of Groeschel or other seeker sensitive mega church pastors just like Vineyard silently holds a grudge against former OBC students going to the seeker sensitive churches. At least Caleb Garraway has remained loyal and so has Jon Shaver. Windsor Hills should seriously consider hiring Caleb as Pastor since he's tight with the Vineyards. Caleb would bring in big crowds, revive OBC, bring Alvin Martinez to sing once a year, and Windsor Hills will be back up and running.

How would you know? Jack Hyles has been dead in the grave for more than 15 years. He doesn't know Groeschel.  The thing is, you say these men wouldn't approve of Groeschel and his church style, but would Groeschel approve of these men's immorality? (i.e. Hyles and Vineyard)
 

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Well Groechel condones seeker sensitive nutcase Heath Mooneyham the DUI pastor who says it's ok to Cuss, get drunk, and cheat on your spouse. Mooneyham also gave away free shotguns at his church. Google "Pastor" Heath Mooneyham and you'll find out the truth about him and his "church". He does love to give away weapons like Jim Vineyard and he has a lot in common with Vineyard and the World Famous Jack Hyles.
 

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AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Well Groechel condones seeker sensitive nutcase Heath Mooneyham the DUI pastor who says it's ok to Cuss, get drunk, and cheat on your spouse. Mooneyham also gave away free shotguns at his church. Google "Pastor" Heath Mooneyham and you'll find out the truth about him and his "church". He does love to give away weapons like Jim Vineyard and he has a lot in common with Vineyard and the World Famous Jack Hyles.

Groeschel doesn't know Heath Mooneyham.
 

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Well Groeschell does endorse TBN prosperity preacher Keith Craft in Frisco,TX. "Pastor" Craft has statues of Joel Osteen and Paul Crouch at his church. Also one of Craft's members is OBC Preacher Boy turned Body Builder Jesse Jackson. JJ is also Craft's personal trainer and JJ swears by Craft and the seeker sensitive model. Ol' Vineyard (Tom more than Jim) is not thrilled about it.
 

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AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Well Groeschell does endorse TBN prosperity preacher Keith Craft in Frisco,TX. "Pastor" Craft has statues of Joel Osteen and Paul Crouch at his church. Also one of Craft's members is OBC Preacher Boy turned Body Builder Jesse Jackson. JJ is also Craft's personal trainer and JJ swears by Craft and the seeker sensitive model. Ol' Vineyard (Tom more than Jim) is not thrilled about it.

Keith Craft wasn't running for any political office, therefore Groschel did not endorse Keith Craft for anything. Craft does not have a statue of Osteen or Crouch. Jesse Jackson is a civil rights leader and once a potential presidential candidate for the DNC against William "Bill" Clinton. The Vineyards are sexual deviants.
 

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Groeschell is opening another Lifechurch campus in Norman which is home to megachurch Journey Church. Groeschell is one of the founding fathers of the flat screen/multi site churches that have been condemned by John MacArthur. The Vineyards have lost a lot of people to Groeschell's "At the Movies" rock music concerts and studies from false teachers like Hybles, Young Jr, and Lentz and Hillsong. At least Caleb Garraway has remained loyal.
 

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AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Groeschell is opening another Lifechurch campus in Norman which is home to megachurch Journey Church. Groeschell is one of the founding fathers of the flat screen/multi site churches that have been condemned by John MacArthur. The Vineyards have lost a lot of people to Groeschell's "At the Movies" rock music concerts and studies from false teachers like Hybles, Young Jr, and Lentz and Hillsong. At least Caleb Garraway has remained loyal.

Hey! So has Phil Walters!
 

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Michael Shaver also remained loyal. He's getting kind of big like Alvin ;D but I digress. Shaver was a great singer and probably could have had a solo career with gospel records.

Jesse Jackson left to join the seeker sensitive crowd and his pastor is now TBN prosperity preacher Keith Craft.

Joel McCarty left to join the seeker sensitive hipster/Hillsong movement. He credits Carl Lentz and Brian Houston as mentors.

Mark my words 10 years from now the old Windsor Hills campus will be a Life.Church campus as Groeschell is building an empire bigger than Donald Trump and Jack Hyles.
 

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AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Michael Shaver also remained loyal. He's getting kind of big like Alvin ;D but I digress. Shaver was a great singer and probably could have had a solo career with gospel records.

Jesse Jackson left to join the seeker sensitive crowd and his pastor is now TBN prosperity preacher Keith Craft.

Joel McCarty left to join the seeker sensitive hipster/Hillsong movement. He credits Carl Lentz and Brian Houston as mentors.

Mark my words 10 years from now the old Windsor Hills campus will be a Life.Church campus as Groeschell is building an empire bigger than Donald Trump and Jack Hyles.

Don't know who Michael Shaver is.

Jesse Jackson is a Reverend himself and is an active Civil Rights Activist. He is not under the leadership of Keith Craft.

Joel McCarty is long dead, he was a Senator that was known to be highly anti-Communist. We added an "L" after his name Joe.

Donald Trump's empire is technically the United States, not sure if a church can be bigger than the United States.
 

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Joel McCarty is long dead, he was a Senator that was known to be highly anti-Communist. We added an "L" after his name Joe.

LOL!!  That's JOSEPH MCCARTHY!

You need to cut back on the weed.
 

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TheRealJonStewart said:
Joel McCarty is long dead, he was a Senator that was known to be highly anti-Communist. We added an "L" after his name Joe.

LOL!!  That's JOSEPH MCCARTHY!

You need to cut back on the weed.

/sarcasm /messingwiththetroll
 

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Caleb Garraway who endorsed Donald Trump should consider politics. He would bring America back the 1940's 1950'sw fundamentals. He would literally pull America back to the basics. He's already more qualified than the Unqualified Steven Furtick and Carl Lentz to be a pastor.
 

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AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Caleb Garraway who endorsed Donald Trump should consider politics. He would bring America back the 1940's 1950'sw fundamentals. He would literally pull America back to the basics. He's already more qualified than the Unqualified Steven Furtick and Carl Lentz to be a pastor.

Garraway endorsed Trump? Bye bye non-profit status!

1940s and 1950s wasn't close to fundamentalist as the 20s and 30s. Why are you liberal to only consider the 40s and 50s? America back to basics like 1776?
 

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Martinez actually credits Ray Boltz, the Gaither band,  George Beverly Shea, and Dennis DeYoung as his music influences. Martinez belted out Styx's "Show Me The Way" to rave reviews.
To be fair, that song takes some real ability....

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Alvin can belt the high notes. He's also more talented than the fake worship bands at Seeker Sensitive churches. Alvin and the GSBC singing group did a great rendition of Orleans' "Love Takes Time" so to answer one of your previous posts, Trieber may consider going mainstream since Alvin Martinez has already sung the national anthem at Golden State Warriors games (World Champs) and at Oakland A's baseball games.
 

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AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Alvin can belt the high notes. He's also more talented than the fake worship bands at Seeker Sensitive churches. Alvin and the GSBC singing group did a great rendition of Orleans' "Love Takes Time" so to answer one of your previous posts, Trieber may consider going mainstream since Alvin Martinez has already sung the national anthem at Golden State Warriors games (World Champs) and at Oakland A's baseball games.

But how can they be fake if they are real and is Alvin part of a worship band? 'Love takes time' is a contemporary song from worldly artist like Beyonce! Oh my goodness can't believe Alvin would compromise like that. What next? Screens at the NVBC?
 

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What next? Screens at the NVBC?

I heard they were adding 2 more pianos.
 
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