Grace Journey is out by Cindy Hyles Collins

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Go check it out on Amazon
 

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I went ahead and bought the book-I am interested to see what she has to say. I'm really mixed on her. I feel bad for her life falling apart for her the way it did, but also wonder where she would be had it not happened.
 
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Cindy would have had to know she is no dumb bow... its her decision to talk about her brother.
 

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I read about half of her book last night. She's growing on me. She does seem to have exchanged fundamentalism for Biblical Christianity. She quotes a contemporary Christian song in her book as well as talks a little about getting over being judgmental. I understand it must be a difficult position for her to to recognize the error in the Hyles way, while at the same time not wanting to destroy those from her past including her own father. She manages to do it with class. She shows what she has learned without coming across as condemning those still part of the fundy world.

Interestingly she lives in the same areas of NC where I used to live. I was familiar with all of the churches there that had helped her on her journey. She mentions Liberty Baptist which is a (Hyles style Fundy church), Beacon Baptist (used to be Raleigh First Free Will) which used to be fundy free will baptist, although the pastor seems to run more in the fundy world now. Then she mentions Colonial Baptist, which is a huge baptist church that is not fundy, but still on the conservative side. I would assume based on her more reasonable beliefs this may be where she ended up.

Maybe her and her son will finally give the Hyles name a legacy folks will want to remember.
 

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My wife read the entire book in a night. She really liked it and was really impressed with Cindy's perspective. Hard not to feel bad for her. Even if she was part of the problem at HAC, you hate for someone's world to crumble like that. Good to see her testify of God's grace and her growth through the problems.
 

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Even if she was the problem at hac? Explain ?
 

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Even if she was the problem at hac? Explain ?
Cindy was THE Christian Womanhood. Presenting all of the notions of what Christian women should be and not be. In her latest book, she acknowledges that she was wrong. She only knew this one perspective of what to teach in Marriage and Motherhood classes and seminars. By her advice or admonishment, many women stayed in abusive relationships. She acknowledges this and repents of it. I don't think of her as a Ray Young or Eddie Lapina or one of the many scandal ridden people. I think of her as a kid who grew up in the fishbowl and tried living up to expectations while feeling like the glue that held so much of it together at home. It is a pretty tough place to be in. She taught what she knew to teach because she was asked to teach it and doing so made it all work. I think she did believe all that she taught and I understand her pain and sorrow when her world came crashing down.

So, yes, she was part of the problem. But not in a sinister way. Make sense?
 

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yes thank you for explaining that I appreciate it. I can't wait to read her book. Thank you many blessings
 

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As a result of your post on 10/19, I purchased a Kindle copy that very day and completed the read on the very next night. I am always on the lookout for good material to help others recover from abuse (especially good material for our ladies) . It was an easy read, and it was obviously written with the desire to help others from her struggle and not from a position of bitterness seeking revenge (which to me is extremely important). There were many helpful Scriptures, and it was obvious that she purposely exercised great discretion when talking about sensitive issues / facts that the reader just did not need to know.

The ONLY part of the book that made me uncomfortable was the many times she used the phrase or suggested that "God spoke / led / directed / directly to me" or something similar. In my experience in dealing with men, ministry leadership, and pastors in ministry, this phrase is often used to cover and insulate a person from question and criticism. After all, if God told you, who am I to disagree with God. Typically, there is not any particular verse or passage on which to base the assertion. Often when questioned or pushed, the person admits it to be a strong feeling or sense that prompted the invoking of God's authority.

Other than that caution / disclaimer, I would recommend the book to others.

Another book that has been a great help to others that I HIGHLY recommend for hurting people is Ann Wagner's book, Hope for the Hurting: A Personal Account of Overcoming Abuse and Betrayal and Gaining the Victory.
 

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The ONLY part of the book that made me uncomfortable was the many times she used the phrase or suggested that "God spoke / led / directed / directly to me" or something similar. In my experience in dealing with men, ministry leadership, and pastors in ministry, this phrase is often used to cover and insulate a person from question and criticism. After all, if God told you, who am I to disagree with God. Typically, there is not any particular verse or passage on which to base the assertion. Often when questioned or pushed, the person admits it to be a strong feeling or sense that prompted the invoking of God's authority.
Certainly true... everyone always claims to be led by the Lord in whatever they are doing, even if it turns out to be something else.
 

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The ONLY part of the book that made me uncomfortable was the many times she used the phrase or suggested that "God spoke / led / directed / directly to me" or something similar. In my experience in dealing with men, ministry leadership, and pastors in ministry, this phrase is often used to cover and insulate a person from question and criticism. After all, if God told you, who am I to disagree with God. Typically, there is not any particular verse or passage on which to base the assertion. Often when questioned or pushed, the person admits it to be a strong feeling or sense that prompted the invoking of God's authority.

Certainly true... everyone always claims to be led by the Lord in whatever they are doing, even if it turns out to be something else.
This is true of Southern Baptists also. So many interviews with pastors when they are sharing to other pastors begins with "The Lord laid on my heart..." "I felt God directing me..." It isn't just a fundy thing. It is a tactic employed by many to invoke God's name so that they are not to be questioned.
 

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This is true of Southern Baptists also. So many interviews with pastors when they are sharing to other pastors begins with "The Lord laid on my heart..." "I felt God directing me..." It isn't just a fundy thing. It is a tactic employed by many to invoke God's name so that they are not to be questioned.
Indeed. I don't have to look far - in my own life, I could have and did use this phrase many times; some times, it was clearly God's leading; other times, it was my own inclinations I was following. There are big decisions, such as joining a church or whom to marry, and there are lesser decisions. I believe that time is a great revealer in these cases. I can say that my marriage has been God's leading. I have joined churches that I would have said were God's leading, but, in hindsight, they were not. However, the last time we left a (cult-like) church, I can definitely say that it was God's leading; we were blessed to find an excellent church, and all of the family has grown more spiritual there.
 
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