Is SBC In Cover Up?

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So, Beth Moore just left the SBC.


Reading between the lines: She was put in charge of investigating the sexual abuse issues in SBC churches. At that same time, arises the "she wants to be a pastor and should be silenced" narrative. She was upset that the SBC backed Trump due to his treatment of women. She is upset at people who denounce critical race theory. Her sales were way down.

Is she looking for a new crowd to sell her materials to and jumping on board with woke religion and creating the narrative of a victim to engender sympathy and sales?

Is she taking the moral high road and walking away from a destructive denomination that is trying to minimize and hide rampant sexual scandal?

Was she actually looking for that leadership position within the SBC, realized that she would never get it and decided to go to a denomination where she could have more power and throw the SBC under the bus along the way?

What say ye?
 

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So, Beth Moore just left the SBC.


Reading between the lines: She was put in charge of investigating the sexual abuse issues in SBC churches. At that same time, arises the "she wants to be a pastor and should be silenced" narrative. She was upset that the SBC backed Trump due to his treatment of women. She is upset at people who denounce critical race theory. Her sales were way down.

Is she looking for a new crowd to sell her materials to and jumping on board with woke religion and creating the narrative of a victim to engender sympathy and sales?

Is she taking the moral high road and walking away from a destructive denomination that is trying to minimize and hide rampant sexual scandal?

Was she actually looking for that leadership position within the SBC, realized that she would never get it and decided to go to a denomination where she could have more power and throw the SBC under the bus along the way?

What say ye?

Well she is a regular on TBN/PTL Club and is a prosperity teacher and TBN is now woke as President Matt Crouch (who is half the man his father Paul was) is now a soy boy who says TBN will no longer support the military.
SJW soy boy and megachurch pastor Blaine Bartel (who was fired from his megachurch for infidelity and appearing a porn film) defended Karen (Beth Moore) and slammed John MacArthur for throwing her under the bus. Todd Friel threw some shade at Moore as well as threw shade at Bartel since Bartel has a gay son, an atheist son, a son that is a sex offender and because Bartel started the "Homosexuals Are Going to Heaven" movement with Josh Harris, Ray Boltz, and Brian Houston.
 

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Did the SBC really "back Trump?" I am sure that many SBC preachers and lay people backed Trump, but Russell Moore, head of the SBC Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, is a well-known "Never-Trumper" - according to Time Magazine, Moore has been a Never Trumper since 2015. The SBC has officially endorsed Critical Race Theory, which was denounced by Trump. I can't comment on Beth Moore's motivations for leaving the SBC, because I don't know, but I think the SBC is better off without her, although they will be happy to keep on making money selling her books. I had a girlfriend who was a follower of Beth Moore, and it was my perception that Beth messed up her mind.

I don't think any denomination needs a preacher, male or female, who makes statements like this: "Boy, this is the heart of our study. This is the heart of our study. Listen carefully. What God began to say to me about 5 years ago, and I'm telling you it sent me on such a trek with Him, that my head is still whirling over it. He began to say to me, 'I'm going to tell you something right now, Beth, and boy you write this one down and you say it as often as I give you utterance to say it.' And this came as a direct revelation of the Spirit, because this would never have come to me. I know God spoke this over me as He began turning through a concordance in my mind and I started thinking about one Scripture after another." - Beth Moore
 
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Did the SBC really "back Trump?" I am sure that many SBC preachers and lay people backed Trump, but Russell Moore, head of the SBC Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, is a well-known "Never-Trumper" - according to Time Magazine, Moore has been a Never Trumper since 2015. The SBC has officially endorsed Critical Race Theory, which was denounced by Trump. I can't comment on Beth Moore's motivations for leaving the SBC, because I don't know, but I think the SBC is better off without her, although they will be happy to keep on making money selling her books.

I do believe that the official position of the SBC was to support Trump, despite what Russ Moore contended. It was a heavy discussion, but many higher ups did promote Trump. Critical Race Theory is argued by many within the ranks. I have been at some convention meetings where it is obvious that many people are very upset about the resolutions, but they are steamrolled through.

I am wondering if she is claiming the leadership threw a red herring to the members to quiet her research and results into sex scandals. She stops short of saying it, but definitely insinuates it.

Other than this, it seems to me that she is worried about losing sales so she is going to a different group and claiming the SBC is all at fault for forcing her out.
 

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I had a girlfriend who was a follower of Beth Moore, and it was my perception that Beth messed up her mind.

I don't think any denomination needs a preacher, male or female, who makes statements like this: "Boy, this is the heart of our study. This is the heart of our study. Listen carefully. What God began to say to me about 5 yeas ago, and I'm telling you it sent me on such a trek with Him, that my head is still whirling over it. He began to say to me, 'I'm going to tell you something right now, Beth, and boy you write this one down and you say it as often as I give you utterance to say it.' And this came as a direct revelation of the Spirit, because this would never have come to me. I know God spoke this over me as He began turning through a concordance in my mind and I started thinking about one Scripture after another." - Beth Moore

That quote is messed up. I have never followed her, so I hadn't heard stuff like that. How did Beth's works mess up her mind?
 

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I prefer not to go into details, but let's just say my lady friend was hearing directly from the Almighty, just like Beth Moore does.
 

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Moore also supports BLM and abortion and defended girly man Carl Lentz when he was fired by Hellsong. Maybe Hellsong can hire Moore as a pastor since Moore is a liberal and supports gay marriage/gay pastors/abortion/woke culture a.k.a all the garbage Hellsong spews out.
 

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Did the SBC really "back Trump?" I am sure that many SBC preachers and lay people backed Trump, but Russell Moore, head of the SBC Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, is a well-known "Never-Trumper" - according to Time Magazine, Moore has been a Never Trumper since 2015. The SBC has officially endorsed Critical Race Theory, which was denounced by Trump. I can't comment on Beth Moore's motivations for leaving the SBC, because I don't know, but I think the SBC is better off without her, although they will be happy to keep on making money selling her books. I had a girlfriend who was a follower of Beth Moore, and it was my perception that Beth messed up her mind.

I don't think any denomination needs a preacher, male or female, who makes statements like this: "Boy, this is the heart of our study. This is the heart of our study. Listen carefully. What God began to say to me about 5 years ago, and I'm telling you it sent me on such a trek with Him, that my head is still whirling over it. He began to say to me, 'I'm going to tell you something right now, Beth, and boy you write this one down and you say it as often as I give you utterance to say it.' And this came as a direct revelation of the Spirit, because this would never have come to me. I know God spoke this over me as He began turning through a concordance in my mind and I started thinking about one Scripture after another." - Beth Moore
What is different about this quote than the many times I have heard Fundy preachers say "God has laid this on my heart" or when Gail Riplinger said her New Age Bible Versions was written by God and Riplinger? I am skeptical of any of claim of direct from God advanced revelation.
 

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Good point. There's no difference between Beth Moore's claims and those of IFB heroine Gail Riplinger, who said of her book "New Age Bible Versions:" "Each discovery was not the result of effort on my part, but of the direct hand of God - so much so that I hesitated to even put my name on the book. Consequently, I used G.A. Riplinger, which signifies to me, God and Riplinger - God as author and Riplinger as secretary." I personally do not accept such claims, but I suppose anybody who accepts that God really wrote the book "New Age Bible Versions" would have no problem with Beth Moore's outlandish claims, either.

It's not just staunch fundamentalists and opponents of woman preachers who have a problem with Beth Moore. Here is what the New Evangelical magazine "Christianity Today" had to say about Beth Moore (excerpt from article by Halee Gray Scott, published in August, 2010): "In contrast with [Beth] Moore's biblicism is her mysticism. By this I don't mean medieval mysticism or new age mysticism, but that which is more broadly understood as faith that includes direct encounters with God. Often, in her teachings and writings, Moore claims that God directly communicates with her, such as when she says in the 'Believing God' video, 'And this came as a direct revelation of the Spirit, because this would never have come to me. I know God spoke this over me as he began turning through a concordance in my mind and I started thinking about one Scripture after another.' In almost every book or Bible study, Moore relates experiences of direct revelation from God or conversations with God.

"Moore has been criticized for her involvements in a video titled 'Be Still,' which describes the importance of contemplative prayer in the believer's life. According to the teachers in the video, contemplative prayer is slowing down and silencing yourself in the midst of a busy and noisy culture to not only talk to God but listen to him as well. Critics argue that contemplative prayer is rooted in Eastern mysticism and thus not a practice that Christians should engage in. This criticism is part of a larger debate about the nature and necessity of spiritual formation in light of Scripture's sufficiency for knowing and understanding God.

"Naturally, repeated references to direct access to God can backfire. Readers may believe that direct revelation is normative, that a lack of such experiences means something is wrong. And, as with many Bible teachers, it is often hard to discern if something is direct communication from God or simply Moore's thoughts on the matter."


When even "Christianity Today" can see the problems with Beth Moore, then you know there is a serious problem there. But once fundamentalists have become accustomed to accepting claims from people like Riplinger, or from fundamentalist preachers who say "God told me . . . " then we are left with no defense from people like Beth Moore.
 

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I always loved it when Jack Hyles would call out domineering women in the audience "Don't blame me because you've never been a man before". Today he'd have fun with the feminist liberal anti-Christian Beth Moore. Hyles and MacArthur may have hated each other but Hyles would definitely defend MacArthur's comments on Moore and the emasculated girly man bi sexual "pastor" Blaine Bartel.
 

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Well it looks like Joel Osteen has a soy boy son that now identifies as a woman. Todd Friel has some fun with Osteen and his sexually confused son who's now a megachurch pastor.

 
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