Luke 17:26-37 Speaks of the Removal of Abiding Saints to a Reception in Heaven

[ChristB4us]

Luke 17:26-37 KJV speaks of the removal of the abiding saints to a reception in Heaven to escape a destruction coming on the earth.

Some versions replaced body with corpse and eagles with vultures in Luke 17:37, thus inferring in error that it is the bad guys that are being removed.

At this link to Textus Receptus Greek Text King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary for where you click on Luke # 17 in the left column, it should pull up that chapter for you to scroll down and see the blue Greek words mirroring that last verse 37 in English.

The third but long blue Greek word from the end of that verse 37 is longer than the Greek word it pulls up for comparison, and so is there more meaning to that Greek word "sunago" other than just defined as "from sun - sun 4862 and agw - ago 71; to lead together, i.e. collect or convene; specially, to entertain (hospitably):--+ accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in." ? As it is, those being taken out are being received with hospitality for they are being taken to resort in thus can be seen as convening at the Marriage Supper table held in Heaven.

The English word "eagles" is from the Greek word "aetos" defined as "from the same as ahr - aer 109; an eagle (from its wind-like flight):--eagle." Thus meeting Jesus in the air to be forever with the Lord in Heaven.

In context of Luke 17:26-37, those being removed is to escape the destruction that is coming on the earth so it does not stand to reasons at all for why other versions switched those words in some of the modern bibles that are being used by some to teach that Jesus was talking about the bad guys being removed as if inferring His second coming as the King of kings at the end of the great tribulation.

Do note how those taken are working in the field just as Jesus described the times as idyllic as in the times of Noah as marrying and eating and so forth, that it does not describe saints being on the run to be killed by sword and hunger because they cannot buy nor sell unless they have the mark of the beast. So the description of the times is for the latter days we are living in now rather than at the end of the great tribulation.

 

[Ransom]

Some versions replaced body with corpse and eagles with vultures in Luke 17:37, thus inferring in error that it is the bad guys that are being removed.

Makes perfect sense that way, too.

Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all[—so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back. Remember Lot's wife. Whoever seeks to preserve his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will keep it. I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.” And they said to him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. (Luke 17:26-37)​

What does the taking? Judgment.

In the days of Noah, the flood took away the wicked (cf. Matt. 24:39).

In the days of Lot, fire and brimstone took away the Sodomites.

In the day of the Lord, judgment takes away the ones who are not his.

Verse 37 tells us where they were taken: to destruction, where, as it were, the corpse may be found by the scavengers it attracts (the ancients classified vultures amongst the eagles; see the entry on ἀετός in BDAG, 3rd ed., p. 22).

 

[ChristB4us]

Makes perfect sense that way, too.

Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all[—so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back. Remember Lot's wife. Whoever seeks to preserve his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will keep it. I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.” And they said to him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. (Luke 17:26-37)​

What does the taking? Judgment.

In the days of Noah, the flood took away the wicked (cf. Matt. 24:39).

In the days of Lot, fire and brimstone took away the Sodomites.

In the day of the Lord, judgment takes away the ones who are not his.

Verse 37 tells us where they were taken: to destruction, where, as it were, the corpse may be found by the scavengers it attracts (the ancients classified vultures amongst the eagles; see the entry on ἀετός in BDAG, 3rd ed., p. 22).

If the bad guys are taken away, then how did their corpse became corpse? By a calamity. So how did those that were His, escaped that calamity on the earth when that calamity killed the bad guys?

Peter is referring to that same fiery calamity that is coming on the earth for why we are to endure to the end for when the Bridegroom comes to escape & be saved from in 2 Peter 3rd Chapter

 

[Ransom]

If the bad guys are taken away, then how did their corpse became corpse?

Same way the flood victims and Sodomites became corpses. God killed 'em.

 

[ChristB4us]

Same way the flood victims and Sodomites became corpses. God killed 'em.

Let's go back to where Jesus mentioned Lot's wife who treasured this life and the things in it where He warned us when He comes, not to go back for anything but to leave when He appears.

Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Now, if only the bad guys are killed off, why warn the saints not to go back to their homes to take away something valued with them upon leaving with Him if they were remaining behind anyway?

 

[Ekklesian]

Luke 17:26-37 KJV speaks of the removal of the abiding saints to a reception in Heaven to escape a destruction coming on the earth.

Some versions replaced body with corpse and eagles with vultures in Luke 17:37, thus inferring in error that it is the bad guys that are being removed.

At this link to Textus Receptus Greek Text King James Bible With Strongs Dictionary for where you click on Luke # 17 in the left column, it should pull up that chapter for you to scroll down and see the blue Greek words mirroring that last verse 37 in English.

The third but long blue Greek word from the end of that verse 37 is longer than the Greek word it pulls up for comparison, and so is there more meaning to that Greek word "sunago" other than just defined as "from sun - sun 4862 and agw - ago 71; to lead together, i.e. collect or convene; specially, to entertain (hospitably):--+ accompany, assemble (selves, together), bestow, come together, gather (selves together, up, together), lead into, resort, take in." ? As it is, those being taken out are being received with hospitality for they are being taken to resort in thus can be seen as convening at the Marriage Supper table held in Heaven.

The English word "eagles" is from the Greek word "aetos" defined as "from the same as ahr - aer 109; an eagle (from its wind-like flight):--eagle." Thus meeting Jesus in the air to be forever with the Lord in Heaven.

In context of Luke 17:26-37, those being removed is to escape the destruction that is coming on the earth so it does not stand to reasons at all for why other versions switched those words in some of the modern bibles that are being used by some to teach that Jesus was talking about the bad guys being removed as if inferring His second coming as the King of kings at the end of the great tribulation.

Do note how those taken are working in the field just as Jesus described the times as idyllic as in the times of Noah as marrying and eating and so forth, that it does not describe saints being on the run to be killed by sword and hunger because they cannot buy nor sell unless they have the mark of the beast. So the description of the times is for the latter days we are living in now rather than at the end of the great tribulation.

Those who are in Christ escape destruction, that is certain. Just as those who were in the Ark escaped it. And those who were in the cloud and the sea with Moses.

Where the body is, that is where the carnivorous birds will be.

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. John 6:53​

 

[ChristB4us]

Those who are in Christ escape destruction, that is certain. Just as those who were in the Ark escaped it. And those who were in the cloud and the sea with Moses.

Where the body is, that is where the carnivorous birds will be.

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. John 6:53​

But if you read the Greek words, you do not see eagles but wind-like flight from the Greek word "aetos" and the gathering as being received with hospitality per the Greek word "sunago".

The way modern Bibles translated body to corpse and eagles to vultures, they did not do it from the Greek as they overlook "sunago" in how they were taken as in gathered..

 

[Ekklesian]

But if you read the Greek words, you do not see eagles but wind-like flight from the Greek word "aetos" and the gathering as being received with hospitality per the Greek word "sunago".

The way modern Bibles translated body to corpse and eagles to vultures, they did not do it from the Greek as they overlook "sunago" in how they were taken as in gathered..

Pure eisegesis.

 

[ChristB4us]

Pure eisegesis.

Reading corpse into body and vultures into eagles is indeed, pure eisegesis rather than going to the Greek from which body and eagles were translated from; not to mention what sunago means when gathered.

 

[Ransom]

Reading corpse into body and vultures into eagles is indeed, pure eisegesis rather than going to the Greek from which body and eagles were translated from

I guess you don't know what BDAG (Bauer, Danker, Arndt, and Gingrich) is. It's the standard lexicon for koine Greek. That's exactly where I got the statement that the ancients classified vultures with the eagles: "vulture is meant" at Luke 17:37 (BDAG p. 22).

And that is the opposite of eisegesis.

So, to reiterate:

An ἀετός is literally an eagle, not a "wind-like flight." You're committing the root fallacy. A word is more than its etymology.

And just as the English word "body" can connote either the body of a living person or a dead one (i.e. a corpse), so can the Greek word σῶμα (BDAG p. 983).

 

[ChristB4us]

I guess you don't know what BDAG (Bauer, Danker, Arndt, and Gingrich) is. It's the standard lexicon for koine Greek. That's exactly where I got the statement that the ancients classified vultures with the eagles: "vulture is meant" at Luke 17:37 (BDAG p. 22).

Okay. Thanks for the info.

And that is the opposite of eisegesis.

Not really. More below as to why.

So, to reiterate:

An ἀετός is literally an eagle, not a "wind-like flight." You're committing the root fallacy. A word is more than its etymology.

And just as the English word "body" can connote either the body of a living person or a dead one (i.e. a corpse), so can the Greek word σῶμα (BDAG p. 983).

Still overlooking the Greek word "sunago" which defines how those that are being taken.

And not to mention in context, Jesus warned about the coming of the Son of Man was not to go back to their homes to bring something with them for why He referred to Lot's wife. If the good guys remain behind and only the bad guys are destroyed, why give that warning unless it is about leaving impromptu or lose your life? See verses 30-33 in Luke 17:26-37 KJV

So there is such a thing as getting the message lost in translation when delving into certain Greek words while ignoring the context of the message being given.

Like the Greek word "pneuma" for spirit does not always refer to the Person of the Holy Spirit and so it is defined by the context of the message being given. Some Bible versions capitalized spirit in John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6 when they should not have just as an example.