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TruthBearer said:
He was confronted by staff members of 14 different women. He then fired the staff members and told the church that if they don't like it they can leave because he is not leaving. Other staff members that are still there said they don't want to know anything about what happened and have closed their eyes to what he was accused of doing with these 14 women, (mostly text messages). Since this has come to light around 10 more women have come forward.

The facts are Tom supports adultery. His brother Paul left the mission field for committing adultery and even stood before the church and confessed it. He then divorced his wife and married another women, which according to the Bible is adultery. Tom said everyone should accept Paul and his lifestyle and forgive him. Which forgiveness is Biblical, however Paul is not repentant because he is still living in adultery. Jesus always forgave people and he would tell them to go and sin no more, he didn't say you are forgiven and you can continue in your sinful lifestyle. When a pastor supports this type of behavior it is not surprising for him to be in a position where his church member are leaving in droves.

Jim (Jones) Vineyard, Tom and Paul all blamed Paul's wife for Paul committing adultery. Tom is doing the same thing blaming the victims for his actions. This is the same behavior of a psychopath, they always accuse their victims for their behavior.
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Did Paul divorce his wife or did the wife divorce Paul?
 
Paul divorced his wife, you can verify this with Oklahoma county court records at their website OSCN.net. You will have to search for it but it is documented there.
 
TruthBearer said:
Paul divorced his wife, you can verify this with Oklahoma county court records at their website OSCN.net. You will have to search for it but it is documented there.
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Interesting. That differs from what was alluded to me. Never liked getting twisted truth.

Not that hard to find. Did it on my cell phone. He is certainly listed as the plaintiff as opposed to the respondent. Thanks. I appreciate the info.
 
Your welcome, they were bashing Paul's wife putting all the blame on her for Paul's actions saying she was not a good wife that is why Paul did what he did because his wife could keep him satisfied at home. During my marriage counseling with JV this was brought up about a wife keeping her husband happy at home or it could cause problems in the marriage.

I still have not found in the Bible where it is ok for a husband to have extra-marital affairs because his wife is not keeping him happy. They do teach this in the Qu'ran under the teachings of Mohammad.
 
TruthBearer said:
Your welcome, they were bashing Paul's wife putting all the blame on her for Paul's actions saying she was not a good wife that is why Paul did what he did because his wife could keep him satisfied at home. During my marriage counseling with JV this was brought up about a wife keeping her husband happy at home or it could cause problems in the marriage.

I still have not found in the Bible where it is ok for a husband to have extra-marital affairs because his wife is not keeping him happy. They do teach this in the Qu'ran under the teachings of Mohammad.
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In the KJVV ("King Jim Vineyard Version") it is always the wife's fault!  And if not the wife then in the "King Jim Vineyard Version" of the story it is always the female who caused the man to lust after her and violate his marriage vows and God's Holy Word.

We all know it was Paul Vineyards first wife who drove all those Phillipinio women to Paul's bed for him to do the dirty with.  Or at least according to the KJVV of the story. Jimmy V's son was the victim
 
It was also Paul's wifes fault that he abandoned his kids and with the help of his daddy JJ (Jim Jones of Guyana) he fought tooth and nail (or is that toof and nail in reference to his removal of false teeth during an interview with a local TV station on explicit sexual content during consuling sessions with young girls, he would ask them if they got excited when they played with themselves, one of the VanManen girls was counseled this way and her dad thinks it was ok) to avoid paying child support, medical bills etc. He wanted to wash his hands clean of his family and not be responsible for them.

In my opinion that is the lowest kind of person one can be, a father that abandon's his kids to satisfy is his sexual desires, you cannot be more selfish.

I guess for Vineyard's there is only enough oxygen for the little head to do the thinking.  They claim that she drove him away from his family and would not let him see his kids. In reality he had mommy and daddy put up lots of money for a lawyer to fight so he could shirk his responsibility (money probaby came from the churches tithes and offerings).

I feel sorry for Paul's new daughter she will probably be "daddy's little girl" if you know what I mean and have secrets she is not supposed to tell anyone. I sent him an email in regards to this a couple years ago and he became violently angry at the idea, must of hit a sore spot with him.
 
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I feel sorry for Paul's new daughter she will probably be "daddy's little girl" if you know what I mean and have secrets she is not supposed to tell anyone. I sent him an email in regards to this a couple years ago and he became violently angry at the idea, must of hit a sore spot with him.
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Well. when you throw a stone at a pack of dogs the one that yelps is the one ya hit!!
 
I'm surprised more girls have not spoken out about the "counseling seasons."  As girl growing up there, I had numerous friends tell me horror stories about theses sessions. It wasn't just JV but a certain principal too. It was the price you paid to be a cheerleader, a hostess, a melody. 


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RedRover01 said:
I'm surprised more girls have not spoken out about the "counseling seasons."  As girl growing up there, I had numerous friends tell me horror stories about theses sessions. It wasn't just JV but a certain principal too. It was the price you paid to be a cheerleader, a hostess, a melody. 


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So out of curiosity did these same girls say anything to their parents or anyone else in authority. Did they think that it was okay? I know for a fact if something like that happened to my sisters and they told me about I would be in jail.
 
I can only assume one of the Van Manen girls said something because her brother Tony sent a scathing email to JV. Her spineless dad didn't do anything.

If a grown man was talking about masturbation to my teenage daughter I would probably be in jail too.
 
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I can only assume one of the Van Manen girls said something because her brother Tony sent a scathing email to JV. Her spineless dad didn't do anything.

If a grown man was talking about masturbation to my teenage daughter I would probably be in jail too.
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You know I grew up there and I never heard of these things even from kids in the school that I grew up with until after I left now I hear stories usually on here but more and more I am getting calls and emails from people about things that I would never have imagined went on.
 
I was very close friends with the VanManen girls and others. If you told or talked about it you were marked as a liar and submitted to more "counseling".  Usually without an adult present.  We just learned to put our heads down and keep quiet.


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RedRover01 said:
I was very close friends with the VanManen girls and others. If you told or talked about it you were marked as a liar and submitted to more "counseling".  Usually without an adult present.  We just learned to put our heads down and keep quiet.


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What years were you there? I am sorry that you had to endure that. If you knew me you would know that I would have done something about it. I was not really liked because if I knew of wrong I called it out. So most of the time I just didn't know about it. People just didn't include me in what they were doing. I wish I knew about these things when I was in high school or in college maybe I could have worked then toward changing things maybe it would have done something maybe it wouldn't have but at least I would know that I tried.
 
JustABigKid said:
RedRover01 said:
I was very close friends with the VanManen girls and others. If you told or talked about it you were marked as a liar and submitted to more "counseling".  Usually without an adult present.  We just learned to put our heads down and keep quiet.


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What years were you there? I am sorry that you had to endure that. If you knew me you would know that I would have done something about it. I was not really liked because if I knew of wrong I called it out. So most of the time I just didn't know about it. People just didn't include me in what they were doing. I wish I knew about these things when I was in high school or in college maybe I could have worked then toward changing things maybe it would have done something maybe it wouldn't have but at least I would know that I tried.
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I was there from 94 to 01 when I graduated college.  My family stayed a few years after I did. I was always on the fringes. I was never a "hostess," which at the time was super demoralizing, since I was pretty much the only one in the youth group who wasn't. That was mostly "punishment" for saying a few things were wrong.

In hind sight, I think it has helped me as an adult be more aware of things and make sure something like this never happens on my watch. 


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