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(26) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. (27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. (28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [John 20:26-28]

I was told once that Jesus doesn't truly bear the wounds in His resurrected body. That He let them appear at the time just for Thomas.

My reply was, Well, then you're saying Christ showed Thomas something that wasn't true.

What do you think? Do you think Jesus still bears the marks of the nails in His hands, and of the spear in His side? And if so, why not the other marks of His suffering?
 
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Ekklesian said:
(26) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. (27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. (28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [John 20:26-28]

I was told once that Jesus doesn't truly bear the wounds in His resurrected body. That He let them appear at the time just for Thomas.

My reply was, Well, then you're saying Christ showed Thomas something that wasn't true.

What do you think? Do you think Jesus still bears the marks of the nails in His hands, and of the spear in His side? And if so, why not the other marks of His suffering?
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I am more curious about what He looks like in general now. Will we see Him as the humble shepherd as depicted in the standard artist's conception or as the blinding light of the transfiguration and the revelation of John? Can it be both?
 
Ekklesian said:
(26) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. (27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. (28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [John 20:26-28]

I was told once that Jesus doesn't truly bear the wounds in His resurrected body. That He let them appear at the time just for Thomas.

My reply was, Well, then you're saying Christ showed Thomas something that wasn't true.

What do you think? Do you think Jesus still bears the marks of the nails in His hands, and of the spear in His side? And if so, why not the other marks of His suffering?
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We will know Him regardless of those marks. We will be given a new body, like unto His. Why would He continue to bear the marks of the crucifixion? Sounds Catholic to me.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Why would He continue to bear the marks of the crucifixion?
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Why did he bear the marks of the crucifixion after he rose from the dead? Because they were made in his body, and he bore the same body. Did he divest himself of his human nature when he ascended into heaven?
 
Ransom said:
Why did he bear the marks of the crucifixion after he rose from the dead? Because they were made in his body, and he bore the same body. Did he divest himself of his human nature when he ascended into heaven?
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Was His body raised unchanged?
 
ALAYMAN said:
We will know Him regardless of those marks. We will be given a new body, like unto His. Why would He continue to bear the marks of the crucifixion? Sounds Catholic to me.
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Zechariah 13:6?
 
Thanks for a thought provoking thread. I’m thinking more on this, and will revisit it after more time and study.
 
Ekklesian said:
What do you think? Do you think Jesus still bears the marks of the nails in His hands, and of the spear in His side? And if so, why not the other marks of His suffering?
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No, because our resurrected bodies will be free from all deformities and wounds.
 
Yes, he still bears them! And for all the reasons mentioned!

We will be raised up and glorified in perfect, flawless bodies yet Jesus will bear the marks in his hand and in his side for all of eternity and every time we see them, we will be reminded of the price he paid, the reason we are where we are and why we are before him! We will never grow old or complacent to this fact even after an eternity of eternities has passed! We will have learned many, many things and will continue to learn but we never fully comprehend the depths of Christ's love for us!
 
Still working through implications here….

In our glorified states, physically and spiritually, will we need such (outward) reminders of His sacrifice?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Still working through implications here….

In our glorified states, physically and spiritually, will we need such (outward) reminders of His sacrifice?
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Are you still a Dispensationalist?

Isn't an outward reminder of his sacrifice the purpose of the purported restored Temple?
 
Still a squishy dispy. Not real fond of the 3rd Temple stuff though.

My question regarding the remembrance of the sacrifice via outward signs stems from the notion that I don’t think in our glorified state we’ll need such reminders to adore and revere Him.
 
ALAYMAN said:
My question regarding the remembrance of the sacrifice via outward signs stems from the notion that I don’t think in our glorified state we’ll need such reminders to adore and revere Him.
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I don't disagree. We have a remembrance of Christ's sacrifice--the Lord's supper--and Paul says that "as often as [we] eat this bread and drink the cup, [we] proclaim the Lord's death until he comes" (1 Cor. 11:26). The implication of "until he comes" is that when Christ is here in the flesh, there is no longer any need for the remembrance.

That's my beef with Dispesnationalists who claim that the Temple and sacrifices are to be restored as a memorial in the Millennium. Again, what need is there to memorialize the living and eternal ruler sitting on a throne there in Jerusalem?

So as not to derail your original question too far, it seems to me that Christ remaining in his human body--the same one--is part and parcel with his work as mediator and intercessor. The work of the Atonement is complete (Heb. 1:3), but his work as mediator continues. Christ is God and man because in that work, he represents both God and men; and since the intercessory work goes on, the incarnation did not cease at the ascension.

The hope of the Christian is the resurrection of the body, not the escape from the body, and it also seems to me, not a new body: restored, perhaps, but not a different body than the present one, which strikes me as more in line with the Greek philosophy of transmigration than the Christian view of resurrection. And that means that if Christ is the firstfruits of the resurrection, then he, too, is in the same flesh that he had on earth. And if his wounds are there as a testament to his sacrifice on the cross, then it stands to reason they also remain "yet visible above."
 
I see nothing in the Bible about a Third Temple. Such an edifice may be built someday, as a self-fulfilling prophecy, but it would not be a fulfillment of Bible prophecy nor a requirement to complete God's plan for the ages. John, speaking of "the holy city, new Jerusalem," said, "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." - Revelation 21:22.
 
illinoisguy said:
I see nothing in the Bible about a Third Temple.
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Given the Dispensationalist assumption that prophecy foresees what is yet future, when they see passages in places such as Ezekiel that foretell the rebuilding of the Temple and the restoration of the sacrfices, they assume it's a future third Temple (often ignoring that Ezekiel was pre-exilic when the second Temple was still future).
 
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