Ruckman's Failed Prediction - "The Year 2000 is the limit for the Advent"

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Peter Ruckman's failed prediction of the Rapture on May 14, 1989 has been well documented. But how many know that after that date, he was still issuing definite predictions that Christ would return by 2000? (Which he believed would put the Rapture 7 years prior to that date).

Here is what Ruckman said in an article entitled "Ring Out the Old," in the Bible Believers' Bulletin Vol. 14, No 2, February, 1990, p. 2: "We now enter the last tenth of the last century of the world's history before the Second Advent of Jesus Christ. If the calendar is right (and that qualifying clause always has to be included when guessing), the year 2000 is the limit for the Advent. Some subtract 4 years for a birth of 4 BC, but as one of my students pointed out to me, a 4 BC birth in September would be only a three and three months birth BC by our January to January calendar. This would give an Advent date of 1997 instead of 1996 (which subtracted 4), and it would put a maximum date for the rapture in 1990 instead of 1989. . . . Anyone knows the 7th millennium has to be a 'Sabbath' of rest."

Sorry, but I cannot "submit" to the teaching of a false prophet like Peter Ruckman. To do so would be to violate the command of Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (KJV): "But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."
 

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I did not know the Ruckman was an OT prophet. Wow!

BTW, the verse quoted, is that the reason Jonah was so upset? His prophecy failed. Was he afraid he would be stoned?
 

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I did not know the Ruckman was an OT prophet.
Where did the poster assert that Peter Ruckman was an OT prophet?

Would you deny that there were NT prophets?

Have you demonstrated that the scriptural tests for a prophet would not apply to NT prophets?

Would blind followers of Peter Ruckman seek to dismiss and avoid scriptural truths?
 

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Where did the poster assert that Peter Ruckman was an OT prophet?
3rd paragraph.

We just put fresh sand in the sandbox. Why don't you boys go get your buckets and shovels and go out and play? Momma will call you for dinner real soon.
 

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You guys really love Ruckman.

You're talking about him so much it's making you look crazier than anything he actually said
 

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You guys really love Ruckman.

You're talking about him so much it's making you look crazier than anything he actually said
They do love him, don't they? They have a fixation on anything "Ruckman".
 

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Nor that it was a crime to guess, or attempt any prediction. Such are games of leisure for intellectual geniuses, who welcome error.

How many failures before Edison got the light bulb right? 10,000?
I would agree with that. Ruckman is probably right about 1/10,000th of the time.
 

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We all have to start somewhere. Baby steps.

You'll see him at 9.5/10 once you pull your arse out of the fundamental categories of bedroom invasion, guessing the rapture, and spiritual attacks before to conversion.

What kind of boring loser hasn't tried to guess the rapture. I'd put it within the next few decades. Sue me.
That's kind of like saying Jack Schapp is a pretty good guy if you just get past the fact that he's a child molester.
 

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That's kind of like saying Jack Schapp is a pretty good guy if you just get past the fact that he's a child molester.
Aren't you a "pretty good guy" despite being an adulterer?
 

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Disinfo agents if you ask me. Whipped this up since you guys like charts and things:

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...but tbh I had more fun making this one

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3rd paragraph.
The poster did not claim that Peter Ruckman was a OT prophet in the third paragraph. He claimed that he was a false prophet. There could be false prophets in NT times just as in OT times.
 

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Disinfo agents if you ask me. Whipped this up since you guys like charts and things:

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"I don't know if his wives were even faithful"

Doesn't really matter. Perhaps you can claim him to be Bible scholar but he he fails the pastor test on the basis of have a number of wives greater than 1.

"He guessed the rapture! (who hasn't)"

Let me tell you who hasn't, most Bible believing pastors, scholars, & Christians. I would be extremely suspicious of any Christian leader/teacher who set a date, since any Bible believer will recognize it runs contrary to Scripture.

"faith - works trib!"

Unorthodox belief of a different method of salvation during the tribulation.

You seem to be missing several items on the right side of the scale. I don't know that much about Ruckman but just from what I do know here are few additions for you:

1. Racist views
2. Admitted to be abusive to his wife (maybe he's not the innocent victim he's made out to be in his divorces?)
3. Taught speculation as Biblical truth
4. Crazy views of KJV being more inspired than the original manuscripts
 

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"4. Crazy views of KJV being more inspired than the original manuscripts"

Here is documentation for Ruckman's crazy views:
"Maybe the Lord doesn't want you to have the exact force of the original. Maybe he wants you to have the exact force of the English! Did you ever think about that? I told a fellow one time, 'If I had the originals right here in my pulpit tonight, I wouldn't teach them to you' - and I meant it.
"If I was over in that room and an angel of the Lord came down in that room and said, 'here, Brother Pete, here are the original manuscripts.' Do you know what I'd teach you when I came over here tonight? Just what I got on the table. . . . And listen! A lot of this old superstitious reverence about 'the original, the original, original' is just a cover-up for rejecting what God gave you. You had better watch that stuff. . . .
"A fellow said, 'If we only had the originals.' If you only had the originals, you'd still be as blind as a bat. You couldn't find out anything."

Source, "A Survey of the Authorized Version," published 1978 by Peter Ruckman, a transcription of a Bible Conference message preached at Trinity Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida in 1971. (One of the other speakers there was Lester Roloff).

Here is a man rejecting the authority of the manuscripts of the Bible as originally given by God. Count that as one of the 9,999 things out of 10,000 that he got wrong.

The reason we keep talking so much about Ruckman is because people are coming onto this board decreeing that we must "submit" to Ruckman. Any time that we are asked to "submit" to a demon-possessed false prophet and madman, there is going to be some pushback. Live with it.
 

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I'm old and ugly I couldn't commit adultery even if I wanted to.
Yeah, but you're not blind. I'm guessing the comment went right over your head.

According to YOU, King David was never a "pretty good guy" even though he was an adulterer and murderer.

I'm not excusing Schaap for one moment, but your ignorant, Pharisetical comment makes me want to puke.
 

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According to YOU, King David was never a "pretty good guy" even though he was an adulterer and murderer.
King David: every fundamentalist's excuse for shagging underage girls or serial polygamy.

Of course, this kind of coarse blasphemy has a history: criticized by the Privy Council for the way he slobbered all over his courtier George Villiers, James I replied: "Christ had his John, and I have my George."
 
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Yeah, but you're not blind. I'm guessing the comment went right over your head.

According to YOU, King David was never a "pretty good guy" even though he was an adulterer and murderer.

I'm not excusing Schaap for one moment, but your ignorant, Pharisetical comment makes me want to puke.
I know of no one who desires a child molester to live next door to them. Can he get past it and be restored? Yes, david did. David was horrible person when he committed adultery and murder but he repented. Even then he was limited in his service after repentance.

In the case of Schaap he can repent and be restored of his victimization of a child and abuse of power. Until he does I'm still going to consider him a horrible person.
 

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Yes, david did. David was horrible person when he committed adultery and murder but he repented.
Ay, there's the rub. David repented. Did Dead Petey ever repent of serial adultery? Nope. To this day his sycophants defend his infidelity by comparing him to Biblical figures, and mock the very idea of repentance itself.

Something Jesus said about "twice the son of hell" comes to mind about pretty much anyone who comes across as sympathetic to Dead Petey.
 
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