The "Great Commission".

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This is after the events of 2 Peter 3:10 when all things shall pass away and all things shall become new.
Wait, wait, wait. So you actually believe we live in a time where nations are no longer at war and everyone from all nations on the planet are visiting the mountain of the Lord at Jerusalem on a regular basis to worship the Lord?

illinoisguy is still hiding from all those scary verses.
 

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Replacement Theology: Pantheism in disguise
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"Heaven is the Earth and the Earth is God, man. It's all the same thing."


"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly combining the word of truth." -The Peabrain Commentary Bible
 

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Wait, wait, wait. So you actually believe we live in a time where nations are no longer at war and everyone from all nations on the planet are visiting the mountain of the Lord at Jerusalem on a regular basis to worship the Lord?

illinoisguy is still hiding from all those scary verses.
Reference the specfic verse you're alluding to.
 

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Replacement Theology: Pantheism in disguise
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"Heaven is the Earth and the Earth is God, man. It's all the same thing."


"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly combining the word of truth." -The Peabrain Commentary Bible
Are you denying that Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you?
Are you hiding from this verse?
 

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Scofield explains away the statement in Luke 17:21 about the kingdom of God being 'within you' by correcting the King James Version to say that the Kingdom of God is "in the midst." Where do Ugg and his fellow Ruckmanoids stand on this? On the one hand, their Ruckmanoid ideology forbids them to allow any change in the KJV wording. On the other hand, their god Peter Ruckman taught that Scofield was receiving "advanced revelation from the Holy Spirit." Was Scofield receiving "advanced revelation from the Holy Spirit" when he corrected the original text of the KJV in this and many other places in order to prop up his dispensationalist ideology?

I don't know how Replacement Theology became an issue on this thread. I don't recall anyone here saying that they believe in Replacement Theology, and I specifically repudiated it. That's okay, go ahead and hide behind the smokescreen of Replacement Theology, instead of telling us where does the Bible teach that Christ will someday rule from a literal throne in the earthly Jerusalem.
 

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Scofield explains away the statement in Luke 17:21 about the kingdom of God being 'within you' by correcting the King James Version to say that the Kingdom of God is "in the midst." Where do Ugg and his fellow Ruckmanoids stand on this? On the one hand, their Ruckmanoid ideology forbids them to allow any change in the KJV wording. On the other hand, their god Peter Ruckman taught that Scofield was receiving "advanced revelation from the Holy Spirit." Was Scofield receiving "advanced revelation from the Holy Spirit" when he corrected the original text of the KJV in this and many other places in order to prop up his dispensationalist ideology?

I don't know how Replacement Theology became an issue on this thread. I don't recall anyone here saying that they believe in Replacement Theology, and I specifically repudiated it. That's okay, go ahead and hide behind the smokescreen of Replacement Theology, instead of telling us where does the Bible teach that Christ will someday rule from a literal throne in the earthly Jerusalem.
I have spent many years studying the various texts of Scriptures. The TR is better overall in the Gospels and the Alexandrian stream much better in the Epistles.

We have confirmation in the teaching of the apostles that "Christ in US" is the hope of Glory.

Col 1:27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Which is a direct reference to Gentiles being joint heirs...... With Christ.

Gill also appeals to Psa 45:13 The king's daughter is all glorious within: her clothing is of wrought gold.
 

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That is incorrect. First, the words "The Great Commission" are not even in the Bible. To my memory some dopey Replacement Theologian came up with them in the 1600's (or close to).

The "good news" Jesus told his Apostles to share with the world, "teaching" them to observe all that the Lord had commanded them (up until that point MMLJ was mostly commands and instructions for the Great Tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom, as the Church Age and the Mystery doctrines thereof were still hidden: The 12 Apostles didn't even know Jesus would die and resurrect before he actually did) was all under the context of them EXPECTING the coming Kingdom at Jerusalem on the New Earth, and to share this good news with the entire world.

Peter and the Apostles did not know that Israel was about to fall, this Kingdom was put on hold, and there would be an addition 2,000 years before Christ's second coming: this was the Mystery revealed to Paul later,
in addition to "the revelation of the mystery" of the Gospel of the Grace of God and the Spiritual Kingdom of God within you.

Peter was clearly under the impression that they were already in the "last days" in early Acts (he literally says this).
When Paul speaks, notice that these last days have been put on hold until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in, and Paul speaks of the last days in a FUTURE context.
A lot of words to say you don’t believe the Great Commission does not apply to us.
 

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A lot of words to say you don’t believe the Great Commission does not apply to us.
Which words? These words you didn't read?

First, the words "The Great Commission" are not even in the Bible. To my memory some dopey Replacement Theologian came up with them in the 1600's (or close to).

The "good news" Jesus told his Apostles to share with the world, "teaching" them to observe all that the Lord had commanded them (up until that point MMLJ was mostly commands and instructions for the Great Tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom, as the Church Age and the Mystery doctrines thereof were still hidden: The 12 Apostles didn't even know Jesus would die and resurrect before he actually did) was all under the context of them EXPECTING the coming Kingdom at Jerusalem on the New Earth, and to share this good news with the entire world.

Peter and the Apostles did not know that Israel was about to fall, this Kingdom was put on hold, and there would be an addition 2,000 years before Christ's second coming: this was the Mystery revealed to Paul later,
in addition to "the revelation of the mystery" of the Gospel of the Grace of God and the Spiritual Kingdom of God within you.

Peter was clearly under the impression that they were already in the "last days" in early Acts (he literally says this).
When Paul speaks, notice that these last days have been put on hold until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in, and Paul speaks of the last days in a FUTURE context.
 

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Are you denying that Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you?
Oh, so you think you have a mountain inside you?

Did God duplicate this mountain so everyone has one inside them?

I have Christ in me (Spiritual Kingdom of God), not the Kingdom of Heaven. And I'm not a pantheist or a dogmatic anti-Dispensationalist so I don't try to force them to be the same object.

Scofield explains away the statement in Luke 17:21 about the kingdom of God being 'within you'
Never read Scofield a day in my life, mostly Ryrie and Chafer from the Classic Dispen side. Then some Mid-Acts guys, one Acts 28 guy (who I share disagreements with), Dr. Ruckman, and various others who have articles and videos published across the internet. Though prior to all this I actually attended a Bible college for a time, and prior to that...

I actually read the Bible before I ran to roll the dice and join a random theological team, unlike you with your Covenant Theology bent.

Does Scofield agree or disagree with UGC here:
 

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As we can see, even Chafer, probably the most highly regarded follower of Scofield's, did not agree with him in every place:

"The tight bond between the two men being established, a comparison between Scofield's view of sanctification in Plain Papers on the Holy Spirit, from 1899 and that in Chafer's He That is Spiritual in 1918 will uncover a wide chasm between the two on the essential matter of praxis. For both men, the central issue in living the Christian way of life was the power of the Holy Spirit in the specific ministry of filling, as opposed to indwelling or baptizing. This Chafer saw as strictly distinct from American Keswick of Trumbull's persuasion because the enablement is all of the Spirit, instead of mystical union with Christ. Both Scofield and Chafer list and elaborate upon the criteria for the filling of the Holy Spirit. Chafer's threefold criteria are especially distinct from Scofield's five requirements.

Chafer had two negative requirements and one positive, based on clear injunctions in the Epistles. On the negative side, a believer must not quench (1 Thes 5:19) or grieve (Eph 4:30) the Holy Spirit. The positive requirement is dependence upon the Spirit, which Chafer understood to be the meaning of "walk by means of the Spirit" in Galatians 5:16. This is direct activity on the part of the believer regarding the Third Person of the Trinity. In contrast, Scofield was still very Keswick-sounding in his criteria to be filled with the Spirit. Chafer had obviously affirmed Scofield's two negative criteria, for they are common to both men. But the positive requirements Scofield put forth are "yielding," "faith," and "prayer." Scofield was specific about what these things meant. Yielding was, as with Chafer, a dedication of self to the will of God per Romans 6:13 and 12:1. Neither writer describes a "second blessing" or "crisis," but Scofield was explicit that we are to yield to Christ through the power of the Spirit, with our responsible portion of the transaction being assent. Both writers say that re-consecration (Scofield) and rededication (Chafer) are unnecessary. When Scofield said faith was necessary to the filling of the Spirit, he meant very specifically that we are to "trust in [Christ] as the alone bestower of the Spirit."

Then Scofield's correlations are with the Lord's promises to send the Spirit in John 7:37-39. One might imagine Chafer asking, "What about the indwelling of the Spirit we have already received upon faith in Christ for our salvation?" This idea of faith in Christ for the filling of the Spirit is certainly Keswick but not at all Chaferian. The third of Scofield's criteria was prayer. Chafer would say that all Christian prayer is to be directed to the Father in the name of the Son in the power of the Spirit. Scofield's criterion is prayer to the Son for the Filling of the Spirit. Chafer is helpfully clear on this doctrine: "Prayer for the Spirit’s filling is an error of great proportions and indicates a misunderstanding of the conditions which now obtain. The Spirit’s filling does not await the influence of prayer. God is not withholding this blessing until He is prevailed upon or some reluctance on His part is broken down. He awaits the requisite human adjustments. In other words, He is waiting for the believer to yield all to Him."

Source: https://www.deanbibleministries.org/dbmfiles/notes/2011-ChaferConf-Roseland-paper.pdf
 

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A lot of words to say that Ugg is not going to tell us whether or not he agrees with the KJV rendering of Luke 17:21, "The kingdom of God is within you."

What a joke - supposedly Christ spent most of His earthly ministry teaching about, and inviting His followers to enter, a Kingdom that was going to be "put on hold" for at least 2000 years, That's the absurd conclusion that dispensationalism, once embraced, inevitably leads to.

The teaching that the Great Commission (along with almost everything else in the New Testament) is "not for today" is standard teaching with the hyperdispensationalists (Bullinger, O'Hair, Cornelius R. Stam). No, I am not saying Ugg is a Bullingerite, but he does agree with them on that point.
 

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Oh, so you think you have a mountain inside you?

Did God duplicate this mountain so everyone has one inside them?
First, we need to recognize that I've attempted to go line by line, verse by verse with you and you refuse to do so. You run all over the place and pretend you're forming a cohesive theology.n You're not. You're full of contradictions.

Jesus used the analogy of how just a little faith can say "to this mountain" be removed and cast forth into the sea..... Do you remember that?

Also, we have the Scripture that says explicitly.... that mountains are allegories

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Paul also used a metaphorical allusion in Hebrews

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

You fail again. Try again.
 

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I have Christ in me (Spiritual Kingdom of God), not the Kingdom of Heaven. And I'm not a pantheist or a dogmatic anti-Dispensationalist so I don't try to force them to be the same object.
John the Baptist preached the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand/near because Christ was among them.

Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Do you see that word "heaven" in your KJV?

You can't keep that lie straight can you?
 

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Which words? These words you didn't read?

First, the words "The Great Commission" are not even in the Bible.
Your point is still that the Great Commission doesn’t apply... no matter how many words and posts...

“Trinity” “Beatitudes” are not found in the Bible... so, what’s your point?
 

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so, what’s your point?
This (bold and red TLDR):

The "good news" Jesus told his Apostles to share with the world at the end of MMLJ, "teaching" them to observe all that the Lord had commanded them (up until that point MMLJ was mostly commands and instructions for the Great Tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom [healing "all manner" of sickness and disease, letting poisonous snakes bite them (early Apostle's ministry: not for us), forgive others or you won't be forgiven (millennial kingdom) which is opposite of today: we are already forgiven once we believe, to not call anyone a fool or you are in danger of hellfire (Jesus and Paul call people fools during their ministries as the millennial kingdom is not here yet), Great Tribulation instructions (Matt. 24), etc. etc. These instructions have been the foundation for heresy in many denominations who do not rightly divide God's words to their proper setting and time period] as the Church Age and the Mystery doctrines thereof were still hidden: The 12 Apostles didn't even know Jesus would die and resurrect before he actually did) was all under the context of them EXPECTING the coming Kingdom at Jerusalem on the New Earth, and to share this good news with the entire world.

Peter and the Apostles did not know that Israel was about to fall, this Kingdom was put on hold, and there would be an additional 2,000 years before Christ's second coming: this was the Mystery revealed to Paul later,
in addition to "the revelation of the mystery" of the Gospel of the Grace of God and the Spiritual Kingdom of God that is Christ himself within you, different from the one that will sit on a mountain.

God will rapture this Spiritual Kingdom out and return to many of the applications under the Gospel of the Kingdom as that "good news" of the Millennial Kingdom which they will have to "endure to the end to enter" will be going around the world. If you preach this gospel during the Church Age, Paul says you're accursed. There is only 1 gospel for today and we are not enduring into the Millennial Kingdom, we will be raptured before that Great Tribulation period.



Peter was clearly under the impression that they were already in the "last days" in early Acts (he literally says this).
When Paul speaks, notice that these last days have been put on hold until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in, and Paul speaks of the last days in a FUTURE context.
 

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Jesus used the analogy of how just a little faith can say "to this mountain" be removed and cast forth into the sea..... Do you remember that?
Are you joking me. What doofus's commentary did you find this in. I hope you made it up.

Jesus did not say to HIS OWN MOUNTAIN "remove and cast forth into the sea". You're crazy. People need to know not to listen to this nonsensical mindset of Covenant/Replacement Theology.


(If you think doofus is too strong a word: twisters of God's word like this can very often lead people to hell. That is serious business. Paul said to mark them.)
 

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Are you joking me. What doofus's commentary did you find this in. I hope you made it up.

Jesus did not say to HIS OWN MOUNTAIN "remove and cast forth into the sea". You're crazy. People need to know not to listen to this nonsensical mindset of Covenant/Replacement Theology.


(If you think doofus is too strong a word: twisters of God's word like this can very often lead people to hell. That is serious business. Paul said to mark them.)
I said much more than this. Why are you ignoring it?

You're the one requiring a literal interpretation of "mountain". I gave an example where Jesus used "mountain" as a metaphorical expression.

I know you're having difficulty but you should consider Matthew 12:36
 

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You're the one requiring a literal interpretation of "mountain".
Do you have any idea how many literal objects are in both the OT and NT descriptions of that Kingdom?

Are you telling me that thrones, a table, a city, the streets of gold, walls, gates, various types of decorated stones, nations, a mountain in the top of the mountains, and the new earth were all just a "figure of speech" for an empty kingdom where we'll all just be floating around aimlessly in nothingness as spirits? Are you joking me?

What right do you have to play with and twist the words of God to tell him he's being allegorical about all of those attributes of His Kingdom to make it fit your human theory.
That is the epitome of pride and arrogance, to stand over the words of God and treat it like it's playdough.
 

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That is the epitome of pride and arrogance, to stand over the words of God and treat it like it's playdough.
This moron does it all the time. Why, he doesn't even need a pastor! He's got it all figured out.
 
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Do you have any idea how many literal objects are in both the OT and NT descriptions of that Kingdom?

Are you telling me that thrones, a table, a city, the streets of gold, walls, gates, various types of decorated stones, nations, a mountain in the top of the mountains, and the new earth were all just a "figure of speech"
I used the English word allegory. Which is more accurate than just any "figure of speech".

for an empty kingdom
That is your lie and misrepresentation of what I've said. I've never said it was empty. In fact, it more tangible to me than it is to you. It is within me. The Love of God is real and more important than you carnal desire to inject man made things into the heavenly construct God has planned for those who love Him.

Your carnal fleshly desire look for mansions and gold. Your money perishes with you.

I'll take Jesus over such any day.

where we'll all just be floating around aimlessly in nothingness as spirits? Are you joking me?
You mock the Spirit of God? Is the Spirit of God just floating around in nothingness? That again is you lie. You can't deal with the Truth so you fabricate a lie to battle.

What right do you have to play with and twist the words of God to tell him he's being allegorical about all of those attributes of His Kingdom to make it fit your human theory.
That is the epitome of pride and arrogance, to stand over the words of God and treat it like it's playdough.
I have twisted anything. Paul specifically said it was an allegory. You're the one that doesn't believe God's Word. Here. I'll post it again.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
 
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