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Ugg is saying that Isaiah 9:6-7 has only partly been fulfilled, because the government is not yet on Christ's shoulder. However, in Matthew 28:18 Christ said, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Revelation 1:5, "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth." Ephesians 1:20-22, "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church."

Sure sounds to me like the government is now on Christ's shoulder, but hey, what do I know?

With regard to Luke 4, where Christ stopped short of reading "and the day of vengeance of our God," yes, that part of the prophecy had not been fulfilled at that time, but it would be at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. I find it strange that anyone would allege that the prophecy about Christ comforting those who mourn has not yet been fulfilled.

Ugg states that the part of the prophecy of Isaiah 40:3-4 about John the Baptist making the way straight for Christ has been fulfilled. Can anybody who has traveled to Israel document for us that John the Baptist built any literal highways, leveled any mountains or hills, or filled in any valleys?
 

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Btw, you're essentially mistaking analogies for allegories.

The substitutionary use of an analogy still retains the literal context of the surrounding sentence. For example, one might (stupidly) argue that "stripes" means zebra stripes since God didn't literally say "whip marks" Jesus would receive. After all, "stripes" might have multiple, "hidden symbolic" (allegorical) meanings, and doesn't then have to literally mean what it obviously implies in the context of the surrounding sentence.

In fact, one might argue any analogy could mean whatever they want.

Claiming analogies make the entire context of a passage allegorical, meaning purely symbolic and open to 1,000 or more private interpretations, is what Covenant Theologians need to flex their proud theories over God's words. It is not where God's words speak to the humble listener.
More lies. Covenant Theologians don't "make up" what the allegory means. They use the Scriptures to prove what they allude to.

You're lying at Covenant Theology. You're not attempting to battle what Covenant Theology teaches. You're producing your own false narrative of they believe in an attempt to discredit their teachings.
 

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Ugg is saying that Isaiah 9:6-7 has only partly been fulfilled, because the government is not yet on Christ's shoulder. However, in Matthew 28:18 Christ said, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Revelation 1:5, "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth." Ephesians 1:20-22, "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church."

Sure sounds to me like the government is now on Christ's shoulder, but hey, what do I know?

With regard to Luke 4, where Christ stopped short of reading "and the day of vengeance of our God," yes, that part of the prophecy had not been fulfilled at that time, but it would be at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. I find it strange that anyone would allege that the prophecy about Christ comforting those who mourn has not yet been fulfilled.

Ugg states that the part of the prophecy of Isaiah 40:3-4 about John the Baptist making the way straight for Christ has been fulfilled. Can anybody who has traveled to Israel document for us that John the Baptist built any literal highways, leveled any mountains or hills, or filled in any valleys?
There are literally dozens of similar examples. Like I said earlier in a different thread. Dispensationalists like him, pretend they only interpret the Bible in a literal way. Which means they should believe in Catholic dogma's such Transubstantiation.

But hey...... it is impossible for them to be consistent in any manner.
 
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It's funny how 90% of what you say makes no sense and is basically just making stuff up.

"You said the Kingdom wasn't about the King" Nobody said that. Nobody says half of the things you say they do, while you don't remember half the things you yourself say.
You have. You said the Kingdom wasn't literally Jesus Christ.... and I know you NEVER use metaphorical or allegorical expression. You wouldn't dare. Its against your idolatry.

Going around telling everyone you're a Jew who isn't a Jew, but a Gentile, even though you claim there are no physical distinctions between Jew and Gentile anywhere in the Bible, yet somehow you're still a physical Gentile and a Jew at the same time,
I've tried to get you to deal with this specific issue and you refuse to.

Again. Just how much of Abraham's blood thru Isaac is required to make a person a physical Jew?

I have said...... The physical bloodline doesn't matter. That a TRUE JEW is one that is one of faith. Blessed like Faithful Abraham. Paul said this. I didn't say. He did. I believe him.

that you literally think the coming Kingdom is not real as it was an allegorical fable in BOTH the OT and NT descriptions of it, meaning that mountains, thrones, a table, and the earth itself are God, except you're "not a Pantheist" just because you believe in Jesus and this somehow disqualifies you from being one who thinks God's creation is God himself, which is literally what you said you believe, except you also think none of those things are real anyway meaning the "one spiritual Kingdom" will be just be spirits-only floating around in absolute nothingness.
No. I believe there are tons and tons of Scriptural references that are metaphorical and allegorical. Just like the Scriptures themselves say they are. I believe them. I don't believe you.

I have repeatedly said that there is both a Spiritual and Physical aspect to the Kingdom. I fully expect the King to literally rule ALL. I just happen to believe that will be after the Resurrection of the Dead.

"That's the Kingdom, guys. That's the Kingdom. Allegorize everything. It must match my theory." -the brilliance of Covenant Theologians who are ashamed to call themselves such.
I'm not a Covenant Theologian. I don't believe some of the things they believe. I do believe some of the things they believe. I know the difference. You, on the other hand, enjoying lying about me to drive your own narrative.
 

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You said the Kingdom wasn't literally Jesus Christ
I said Jesus Christ (the spiritual Kingdom within us) is the King RESIDING IN the coming physical Kingdom. Jesus Christ is not his external physical Kingdom itself.

You are the Pantheist here because you apparently can't stand that the Bible doesn't pigeon-hole into your nonscriptural theory.

Matthew 28:18 Christ said, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
Using a general verse to erase specific ones. Typical. Did you even ask: what does he mean by all power, and how does this retain other verses in the Bible about what's going on on Earth right now?

Paul also calls Satan "the god of this world" who blinds the minds of them which believe not. Clearly if Satan is still the "god of this world", then you must know that "all power" does not mean Jesus is LITERALLY the King ON EARTH right now reigning as the God OVER IT WITH SATAN NO LONGER IN ANY SUCH POSITION. You must reconcile certain verses without ignoring certain others for a pigeon-holed interpretation of them (hermeneutics 101). Did Paul call Satan "the god of this world" or not? Now explain how this verse reconciles with your theory. I would say Christ is most likely speaking in spiritual terms now that the finished work of the cross can save anyone in an instant, that is the "power of God unto Salvation", and it is the most powerful force exercised on this earth right now, as the context of this whole battle is about souls. This retains the fact that Satan is still "god of this world", though he must seek permission to affect any in the Kingdom of God. In this way the Spiritual Kingdom of God supersedes Satan's temporary reign over this earth, yet we still "do not belong to this world, and the world hates us", therefore Jesus is clearly not reigning on the New Earth and it is not under his government yet, otherwise we WOULD "belong to this world".

Sure sounds to me like the government is now on Christ's shoulder, but hey, what do I know?
As we can now see, you only know how to erase certain specific verses in favor of using an overgeneralized one that could imply multiple, various specifics according to your own choiced theory.

I'm not a Covenant Theologian.
You don't know what you are, but you are certainly wrong all the time and deceiving people with paradoxes and lies. I'm simply using the crazy, outlandish things you're saying to give any reading an opportunity to learn the sound truth by contrast. When people read this thread, they know what's really going on here. Thanks for sharpening my writing skills.
 

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I thought dispensationalists believed in taking the Bible literally, but now Ugg says Christ is not LITERALLY the King on Earth. Ugg says Jesus is not reigning, but Peter said in Acts 2:30 that Christ was raised for the purpose of sitting on the throne of David. So are we really, honestly supposed to believe that Christ is on the throne but not reigning?

Yes, Paul called Satan "the god of this world" but he didn't say Satan was the king or the ruler of this world. Satan is the false god of worldly people who allow him to be their false god. You certainly know how to erase certain specific verses using an overgeneralized one such as 2 Corinthians 4:4. In 1 Timothy 1:17 Christ is described as "the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God." Revelation 19:16, "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

COMMENTARIES ON 2 CORINTHIANS 4:4

JOHN CALVIN: "The devil, on the other hand, is called the god of this world, in no other way than as Baal is called the god of those that worship him, or as the dog is called the god of Egypt."
JAMIESON FAUSSET AND BROWN: "God of this world - the worldly make him their God."
JOHN GILL: "Satan . . . is here styled 'the god of this world;' . . . not because he had any hand in the making of it, or has any concern in the government of it, or in the disposal of men or things in it; but because of his influence over the worst, and the greatest part of the world . . . who have voluntarily given themselves up to him, and whose lusts they will do; and so declare themselves to be his children, and him their Father, ye, their god."
PULPIT COMMENTARY: "The god of this world; rather, the god of this age. . . . He is not, however, here called a god of the kosmos, but only of the olam hazzeh, the present dispensation of things as it exists among those who refuse to enter that kingdom in which the power of Satan is brought to nought."
GARY DEMAR: "Paul is simply stating that Satan is the chosen god of those who deny Jesus as God's rightful heir of all things (Matthew 22:1-14). , , , Satan's power has not increased since Job's day. He is still a permission-seeking creature. This is especially true under the new and better covenant inaugurated by Jesus Christ. . . . Satan is a second-class creature who has been cast out and judged: 'The ruler of this world shall be cast out' (John 12:31); 'the ruler of this world has been judged' (16:11)."
 

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I said Jesus Christ (the spiritual Kingdom within us) is the King RESIDING IN the coming physical Kingdom. Jesus Christ is not his external physical Kingdom itself.

You are the Pantheist here because you apparently can't stand that the Bible doesn't pigeon-hole into your nonscriptural theory.
There is no Kingdom without the King. Christ in US is what makes the "Kingdom of God".... "WITHIN YOU"....

You can keep claiming I'm a Pantheist all you want. You can't find a single self proclaimed Pantheist that believes that Jesus Christ is the Only True God and Savior. By all means, provide the proof. My beliefs are nothing like Pantheism and I have repeatedly told you why. You keep ignoring this to foster your self preserving lie.

You don't know what you are, but you are certainly wrong all the time and deceiving people with paradoxes and lies. I'm simply using the crazy, outlandish things you're saying to give any reading an opportunity to learn the sound truth by contrast. When people read this thread, they know what's really going on here. Thanks for sharpening my writing skills.
Keep lying. See where it gets you.

I know what you issue is and it the issue with many people who seek a following. I don't care to create a following. I'm not looking to sell books or make revenue of my videos on youtube. I'm not looking for donations or for someone to call me.... "God's man". I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong. I don't claim to be perfect nor having "perfected" some man made ideal.... like YOU do...

You problem is.... If you admit you're wrong, then everyone will know that God wasn't speaking to you nor what HE behind your silly little man made doctrine. It will look bad on you and you can't stand to look bad. You'd rather the Truth be harmed than to look bad yourself.

That's why the Scriptures say.... "Let God be true, and every man a liar'. The Truth is more important than your ego.

I look for my Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ voice of approval. You enjoy the praise of men.
 

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Christ is not LITERALLY the King on Earth.
Is Christ your King? Then why do you not belong to this world, to this Earth? I thought he was CURRENTLY King sitting over there in Jerusalem according to you. Would you not "belong" to the world under the "government" of said King?

In the all-power given to Christ, he has chosen not to return until the 70th Week of Daniel is fulfilled. Before then, Paul clearly told you Satan is still "the god of this world" and we are not of that world. If this world was under the "government" of Christ (go look up the word government), then both of these things could not be the case.

Obviously Christ is not literally sitting on a throne over there on the mountain of the Lord in Jerusalem right now and everyone on Earth does not currently know the Lord in a way that no one has to teach each other about him. That time is not here yet.

Satan is the false god
No, that's not what the Bible says. It does not say he is the "false god of this world because Jesus is currently reigning from the mountain of the Lord in Jerusalem". It says he is "the god of this world".

n the all-power given to Christ, he has chosen to allow this to happen for the time being until he fulfills prophecy and actually returns to set up his Millennial Kingdom and Satan is chained up during that time, during which he will not be "the god" of that world, as it will be the "New Earth". Covenant Theologians stupidly claim the "New Earth" is some allegorical nonsense to fit their theory. Why can't you guys just believe what the Bible says. The stubbornness and refusal of these people to believe the Bible is astounding.

Keep quoting commentaries from famous dead morons or otherwise mediocre minds with low IQ's because you can't deal with the Book yourself.

Keep lying. See where it gets you.
Keep advising yourself. You may one day listen.
 

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Apparently Ugg does not know any other way to discredit the folks on his enemies list than by putting words in their mouths that they never said. Now Ugg says that I said that Jesus is currently reigning from Jerusalem, but I never said that. The Apostle Peter taught in Acts 2 that Christ was raised for the purpose of reigning from the Throne of David in heaven. Kindly direct all objections to that teaching to Peter, not to me.

Ugg's basic argument is that anyone who disagrees with him is a dirty, stinking, rotten Covenant Theologian so therefore, by definition, they are wrong. He cannot come up with a better argument than that, so he keeps bringing that up, but the argument is not valid with regard to Treasure Unseen or myself, since we are not Covenant Theologians.

Dispensationalism really doesn't have much to offer - it teaches that most of the promises made in the New Testament are "not for today" and were not for the time in the First Century in which they were given. Supposedly Christ spent a great deal of time talking about a Kingdom that would not exist for another 2000 or maybe 3000 years. Supposedly He invited people to enter, and enjoy the benefits of, a Kingdom that He knew would not be set up anytime within their lifetimes. Anybody who believes that, I have a time share to sell you in a beautiful condo complex in Florida that will not be constructed for another 20 centuries or so.
 

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Apparently Ugg does not know any other way to discredit the folks on his enemies list than by putting words in their mouths that they never said. Now Ugg says that I said that Jesus is currently reigning from Jerusalem, but I never said that. The Apostle Peter taught in Acts 2 that Christ was raised for the purpose of reigning from the Throne of David in heaven. Kindly direct all objections to that teaching to Peter, not to me.

Ugg's basic argument is that anyone who disagrees with him is a dirty, stinking, rotten Covenant Theologian so therefore, by definition, they are wrong. He cannot come up with a better argument than that, so he keeps bringing that up, but the argument is not valid with regard to Treasure Unseen or myself, since we are not Covenant Theologians.

Dispensationalism really doesn't have much to offer - it teaches that most of the promises made in the New Testament are "not for today" and were not for the time in the First Century in which they were given. Supposedly Christ spent a great deal of time talking about a Kingdom that would not exist for another 2000 or maybe 3000 years. Supposedly He invited people to enter, and enjoy the benefits of, a Kingdom that He knew would not be set up anytime within their lifetimes. Anybody who believes that, I have a time share to sell you in a beautiful condo complex in Florida that will not be constructed for another 20 centuries or so.
Well said!
 

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Jesus is currently reigning from Jerusalem, but I never said that.
Then you don't believe the Bible. Because it states in both the OT and NT that when Jesus reigns on this Earth, it will be from "the mountain of the Lord" in the "top of the mountains" in the city of "the holy Jerusalem" on the "New Earth".

Since you idolize dead guys with peabrains instead of believing what the Bible says, God has blinded you from seeing plain words on a page.

Go continue the cult of Replacement Theology somewhere else with your imaginary, extrabiblical theories.

Tell us, genius, what is your cult's interpretation of "the New Earth"? Allegorical I'm sure. Just like the rest of your imaginary religion. I'm sure the Genesis creation story, the Garden of Eden, and Noah's Ark are all myths too. What a joker.
 

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Then you don't believe the Bible. Because it states in both the OT and NT that when Jesus reigns on this Earth, it will be from "the mountain of the Lord" in the "top of the mountains" in the city of "the holy Jerusalem" on the "New Earth".

Since you idolize dead guys with peabrains instead of believing what the Bible says, God has blinded you from seeing plain words on a page.

Go continue the cult of Replacement Theology somewhere else with your imaginary, extrabiblical theories.

Tell us, genius, what is your cult's interpretation of "the New Earth"? Allegorical I'm sure. Just like the rest of your imaginary religion. I'm sure the Genesis creation story, the Garden of Eden, and Noah's Ark are all myths too. What a joker.
Post just one verse that says Jesus shall do like you've described. Just one. We can go from there. There is a reason you will not take this approach. ( one verse at a time).....If you do, it will show how little you really know. All you do is mindlessly repeat what other's teach.

I've tried to get you to engage on specific topics and you refuse. You'd rather just keep claiming victory and disparaging your brothers in Christ.
 

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Post just one verse that says Jesus shall like you've described. Just one. We can go from there.
You should have started by reading the Bible to save yourself from this massive embarrassment.

I'll do you better. Since you both didn't read this thread, I'll show you what you missed, read the underlined words:


Let's not all forget these verses that Replacement Theologians are terrified of.
You will never see them soundly addressing these,
they must avoid them at all costs to exalt their peabrain theology over the Bible:

1. Isaiah 66:18-23 (Different Nations/Kingdoms on the coming New Earth which God "will make", when ALL people on earth will worship him):
"18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19 ..and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.
21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord..
(HIDE, GOD'S WORDS ARE COMING!):
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord." (THE OLD EARTH HAS TO BE DESTROYED FIRST, WHICH IS DESCRIBED IN REVELATION BEFORE CHAPTER 21).



2. Micah 4:1-3 (This will happen in "the last days"):
"1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
(HIDE AGAIN, GOD'S WORDS ARE COMING!):
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off... nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." (ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL US WE ALL LIVE ON THIS NEW EARTH RIGHT NOW AND WAR BETWEEN NATIONS IS NO LONGER EXISTENT BECAUSE THE LAW IS GOING FORTH FROM ZION? PLEASE, ALLEGORIZE THIS FOR US. WHAT DID DOPEY DEAD IDOL SAY TO TWIST THIS PASSAGE INTO A TOOTH FAIRY PRETZEL TALE?)


3. Rev. 21 (This Kingdom is not some "New Allegory" that suddenly showed up in Revelation. It RETAINS the OT prophecies of the coming Kingdom):
"1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw
the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven..
(OHHH. DARN, SHOULD HAVE READ THE BIBLE INSTEAD OF SOME DOPEY DEAD GUY'S COMMENTARY ON IT):
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb..
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it..
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it."

Luke 22:22-31 (Rev. 21 RETAINS what Jesus to the 12 Apostles about them reigning in this Kingdom):
"28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
 

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173 posts in and what have we learned?

treasure_unseen and UGC don’t believe the Great Commission applies to believers.
 

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173 posts in and what have we learned?

treasure_unseen and UGC don’t believe the Great Commission applies to believers.
To be clear. I do believe that believers have an obligation to share their faith with others. I just reject the false claim that the "Great Commission" given by Christ extends to all generations. Those who received that commission, did exactly what God told them to do.
 

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You should have started by reading the Bible to save yourself from this massive embarrassment.
I'll do you better. Since you both didn't read this thread, I'll show you what you missed, read the underlined words:
I asked that you share one reference and you go off in ten directions.

Go "Brick by brick". You're throwing bricks in a pile and pretending they form something. They don't.
Let's not all forget these verses that Replacement Theologians are terrified of.
You will never see them soundly addressing these,
they must avoid them at all costs to exalt their peabrain theology over the Bible:
Again. I'm not a Covenant Theologian. However, I have enough experience in debating the theology over the years that I know what you're claiming is a lie. Just pick up any good commentary from any Covenant Theologian and they WILL address what you claim. They're not running from you.

1. Isaiah 66:18-23
(Different Nations/Kingdoms on the coming New Earth which God "will make", when ALL people on earth will worship him):
You "set the table" with your own preconceived idea. This has nothing to do with your predetermined path.

"18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19 ..and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
Which was fulfilled in the first century.

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

The apostles of the Gentiles complete in his calling...

2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.
21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord..
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

The priestly order of all believers in Jesus Christ.

See. That wasn't difficult at all. Next.
 

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UGC don’t believe the Great Commission applies to believers.
That is incorrect. First, the words "The Great Commission" are not even in the Bible. To my memory some dopey Replacement Theologian came up with them in the 1600's (or close to).

The "good news" Jesus told his Apostles to share with the world, "teaching" them to observe all that the Lord had commanded them (up until that point MMLJ was mostly commands and instructions for the Great Tribulation and the Millennial Kingdom, as the Church Age and the Mystery doctrines thereof were still hidden: The 12 Apostles didn't even know Jesus would die and resurrect before he actually did) was all under the context of them EXPECTING the coming Kingdom at Jerusalem on the New Earth, and to share this good news with the entire world.

Peter and the Apostles did not know that Israel was about to fall, this Kingdom was put on hold, and there would be an addition 2,000 years before Christ's second coming: this was the Mystery revealed to Paul later,
in addition to "the revelation of the mystery" of the Gospel of the Grace of God and the Spiritual Kingdom of God within you.

Peter was clearly under the impression that they were already in the "last days" in early Acts (he literally says this).
When Paul speaks, notice that these last days have been put on hold until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in, and Paul speaks of the last days in a FUTURE context.
 

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Which was fulfilled in the first century.
This was fulfilled in the first century?
"And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord."
"nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."


And God made the New Earth on which that Kingdom sits?
When was the Old Earth destroyed? So you're saying the events in Revelation already took place?


Pretty sure there's still war between nations today on this Earth and everyone on it is not going up to "the mountain of the Lord" in Jerusalem to worship him from one moon to the next, as all the "Kings" of the Earth from other "nations" and their people are not "flowing unto" this city in the "top of the mountains" on a regular basis yet.
 

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This was fulfilled in the first century?
"And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord."
"nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."


This is after the events of 2 Peter 3:10 when all things shall pass away and all things shall become new.

I told you I wasn't a Covenant Theologian.

And God made the New Earth on which that Kingdom sits?
No. That kingdom already exists. It is just a continuation. The Kingdom is about Christ and His benefactors.

When was the Old Earth destroyed? So you're saying the events in Revelation already happened?
Some events are allegorical. The vast majority of them are allegorical. A few point to a time after the Resurrection of the Dead and the destruction of all things in 2 Peter 3:10.
 

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We wanted Ugg to give us a verse that teaches that Jesus will reign from a literal throne in the literal Jerusalem, but Ugg didn't give us any such verses, because they don't exist. Instead, he gave us a bunch of verses about reigning from the New Jerusalem in heaven.

Ugg seems to believe that he can invalidate the Bible verses I have cited, by accusing me of believing in Replacement Theology. Actually, I do not believe in Replacement Theology at all. I fully agree with the Apostle Paul that God is not done with Jews according to the flesh, Romans 9-11.

All Ugg can do is smear those who disagree with him with his false accusations and nasty name-calling. That's a sad commentary on the current state of cutting-edge Dispensationalist theology. When you dispies can do better than that, get back to me.
 
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