- May 4, 2016
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?Sorry, I won't be joining Petey in hell.
David wasn't perfect, but he was penitent.Should we also reject the throne of David, the murdering adulterer, along with the entire book of Psalms?
"Petey" had far more sound doctrine in his teachings than most. By the way, how would you define repentance? Because the majority use of that word today is wrong.Did Petey repent of his false teachings? You did acknowledge that he had some. The Bible does say, after all, that teachers who lead people astray incur a stricter judgment (James 3:1).
Heck, did Petey even believe in the necessity of repentance? Quite frankly, the man was so insignificant that I can't be bothered to find out where he fell on the whole Antinomian Salvation controversy.
I'd never know, because I don't go to insult comics for my theology."Petey" had far more sound doctrine in his teachings than most.
I define it the correct and biblical way: a God-given regret for one's sin and an earnest desire to turn to God for deliverance from it, resulting in a change of conduct.By the way, how would you define repentance? Because the majority use of that word today is wrong.
If you don't know something how do you already know it's wrongI'd never know, because I don't go to insult comics for my theology.
"Regret or remorse" is one of 3 different variants translated from Greek to "repent" in the NT. Not once is it used in reference to eternal salvation. The correct word is "metanoia", which means a change of mind.I define it the correct and biblical way: a God-given regret for one's sin and an earnest desire to turn to God for deliverance from it, resulting in a change of conduct.
I was never in the IFB and I don't worship Petey, in fact I share certain disagreements with him. I actually grew up in Nondenominational churches in South Carolina (conservative) and California (liberal) that were not under the same unbiblical cultural strongholds as the IFB. We used the ESV and NIV.I am a former IFB, and one of the reasons I do not care to go back to that movement is because I was tired of being browbeaten over my lack of support for, or interest in, Petey. I object to the entire system of hero worship in the IFB movement, especially when we are required to become followers of crackpots who are extremists in their doctrine and disreputable in their personal lives, like Petey, Gail the Ripper, Jackie-Boy Hyles, etc. How does having these people rammed down my throat all the time help me to be a better Christian?
Which is the literal meaning of metanoia, but I'm sure you know as well as I that it's an exegetical fallacy to insist the original or literal meaning of a term is the "correct" one."Regret or remorse" is one of 3 different variants translated from Greek to "repent" in the NT. Not once is it used in reference to eternal salvation. The correct word is "metanoia", which means a change of mind.
You must live in a very small pond. The debate over antinomian salvation is basically nonexistent outside of a small circle of Dispensationalist fundies.You just cited the Lordship Salvation interpretation, which all Baptists outside the SBC (and even many in the SBC) disagree with as a majority.
Sounds fine to me. Since Jesus is Lord, and nothing can make him not Lord, it's only by his Lordship that anyone can be saved at all.Ransom, your arguments are that of Lordship Salvation.
These would be the examples you failed to interact with at all, right?You've taken the definition of repentance and totally distorted it to fit your interpretation, along with your examples.
I take the Second London Baptist Confession as my doctrinal position. I dare say I'm probably a lot more "traditional," therefore, than your "traditional Baptists," whatever those are.What camp do you espouse? Calvinism ("New" Baptists of the SBC)? Arminianism (Charismatic perhaps)? Because I tell you right as rain you are not in the big pond of the traditional Baptists.
Sure, by the grace of God.Rather than trusting that Christ paid for your sins, you think you have to be the one to turn from them.
Yeah this is wrong. At least it's closer than many Lordship Salvation doctrinal statements, but it still includes self-abhorrancy and "prayer for pardon" which are not part of the Gospel of Grace, which comes by simple faith in the finished work of the cross (which may then be followed by prayer telling God you accept his gift and trust what Christ did as sufficient to cover it all, but not with asking him to pardon you, for why would you request pardon if you already believe what he did was sufficient to cover it all: it's a contradictory notion). Whoever is in charge of this, tell them UGC called and admonished them to straighten out their doctrine, and if anyone wants a friendly debate, find a way to contact us and we will politely oblige.To quote the LBCF:
This saving repentance is an evangelical grace, whereby a person, being by the Holy Spirit made sensible of the manifold evils of his sin, does, by faith in Christ, humble himself for it with godly sorrow, detestation of it, and self–abhorrancy, praying for pardon and strength of grace, with a purpose and endeavor, by supplies of the Spirit, to walk before God unto all well–pleasing in all things.(15.iii)