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Let's see if UGC, the feckless coward, can grow a pair and actually try to interact with my post.
Oh we got jokes now. Not only did I interact with it, I demolished it using my "pair" as wrecking balls.
 
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Not only did I interact with it, I demolished it using my "pair" as wrecking balls.
When questions reared their ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir UGC turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Swiftly taking to his "pair" of feet
UGgy beat a brave retreat.
Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir UGC!

If metanoia means a change of mind, what does that entail?

When Peter told the people at Pentecost to "repent metanoesate, the verb form of metanoia] and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins" (Acts 2:38), what (not counting being baptized) was he telling them they were to do?

Similarly, when he told the crowd at the Temple to "repent [metanoesate], therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you" (Acts 3:10-11), what did he mean they should do?

While we're at it, when he told them to "turn back," what was he telling them to a) turn back from and b) turn back to?

When Paul told the Athenians that "The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent [metanoeo]" (Acts 17:30), what was he saying God commanded them to do?
 
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OK, this is getting monotonous now.

Henceforth I shall only mock UGly in haiku form.
 

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I ask some questions.
UGgy runs, fast as he can.
What a silly clown.
 

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All I heard was "Scooby dooby doo!"

Ransom: the all bark and no bite cartoon pez dispenser of haiku

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"Ransom and the London Baptists: The Unsolvable Mystery of Dispensationalism at the Medieval Castle of Motte and Bailey"

I'll write the intro theme. It'll be clown music.
 

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All I heard was "Scooby dooby doo!"
Scooby dooby doo
UG can't answer my questions
Cuz his brains are poo.
 

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Looks like the UGC Channel is going to be "all Ruckman, all the time." I can hardly wait.

Now I know why some of us do not agree with Petey's wacko extremist teachings. It is because we dared to read the Bible for ourselves instead of blindly accepting the teaching of self-appointed authoritative teaching like Ruckman and his minions. This takes us back to the days before the Protestant Reformation, where lay people were not allowed to interpret the Bible for themselves but had to accept the dogma of the "magisterium" of the Roman Catholic Church.

With regard to the land promise to Israel, taught by Jeremiah, we are told in Jeremiah 25:11-12 and 29:10 that it would be fulfilled within 70 years. God already has completed fulfilled the land promise to Israel, Joshua 21:43-45. Nehemiah 9:7, 23-24.

If dispensationalism rises or falls on the Church/Israel distinction, then it must fall. Galatians 6:15-16, "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God." There is no Church/Israel distinction, Galatians 3:6-9, 3:26-29.

Comments on Galatians 6:16: "The Israel of God: the true Christians, called here the Israel of God to distinguish them from Israel according to the flesh' - Adam Clarke.

"These, he declares, shall be the portion of all the Israel of God, all sincere Christians,, whether Jews or Gentiles, all who are Israelites indeed." - Matthew Henry

"Another purpose of the cross was to create a new nation, 'the Israel of God.' (Galatians 6:16) This is one of many names for the Church found in the New Testament." - Warren Wiersbe

"Israel of God - not the Israel after the flesh, among whom these teachers wish to enroll you, but the spiritual seed of Abraham by faith." -Jamieson, Fausset and Brown

Please accept my apologies for my impertinence and impudence in reading and interpreting the Bible on my own, instead of relying on the authority of self-appointed Ruckmanite teachers who I am supposed to allow to interpret the Bible for me.
 

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Please accept my apologies for my impertinence and impudence in reading and interpreting the Bible on my own, instead of relying on the authority of self-appointed Ruckmanite teachers who I am supposed to allow to interpret the Bible for me.
 

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With regard to the land promise to Israel, taught by Jeremiah, we are told in Jeremiah 25:11-12 and 29:10 that it would be fulfilled within 70 years. God already has completed fulfilled the land promise to Israel, Joshua 21:43-45. Nehemiah 9:7, 23-24.
It came to pass even sooner than that!

Thus the Lord gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there. And the Lord gave them rest on every side just as he had sworn to their fathers. Not one of all their enemies had withstood them, for the Lord had given all their enemies into their hands. Not one word of all the good promises that the Lord had made to the house of Israel had failed; all came to pass. (Joshua 21:43-45)​

Some land was lost to border skirmishes during the time of the judges, but David regained it, and Solomon ruled over it, "and he had peace on all sides around him" (1 Kings 4:24).

If dispensationalism rises or falls on the Church/Israel distinction, then it must fall.
There is no distinction between the church and Israel. The church is Israel: built on the foundation of the patriarchs, with the Israelites cut off who rejected their Messiah, and the Gentiles who received him grafted in. Paul makes that clear enough in Romans 11.

So-called "replacement theology" is a Dispensationalist straw man. There was no replacement. There is continuation.

And since the "Lordship" debate is an internal debate in Dispensationalist circles, that makes it basically Napoleon and George Washington arguing over who gets to run the asylum.
 

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I don't see how Ruckman can be regarded as a reliable, "appointed" and authoritative teacher, when he got it wrong about salvation by works, correcting the original manuscripts with the AV1611, rapture in 1989, etc. How is it that any Ruckmanites are still alive and well on Planet Earth - should they not have been snatched up in Ruckman's 1989 rapture? If they missed the rapture, it's not because they weren't saved - according to typical dispensationalist antinomianism, just about everyone who has ever prayed the "salvation prayer" is saved, even if they are fornicating with their father's wife and have not repented of that. I just don't see how we are helping the cause of Biblical fundamentalist Christianity when everything we teach is based on "Ruckman says," "Ruckman tells me so," "Ruckman is the greatest." This man is regarded as a wild-eyed crackpot by even the other KJV only folks like David Cloud, D.A. Waite, etc. Please, please, can't we give up the cultish, destructive obsession with Ruckman, and just move on?
 

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I don't see how Ruckman can be regarded as a reliable, "appointed" and authoritative teacher, when he got it wrong about salvation by works, correcting the original manuscripts with the AV1611, rapture in 1989, etc.
I've probably discussed Petey as much as anyone else on this forum. But to put it into perspective, it's only because of my interest in KJV-onlyism. If not for that (and, broadly speaking, my other interests in conspiracy theories, esoterica, and other general crackpottery), it's very likely I never would have heard of him at all, ever. In the grand scheme of things, Peter Ruckman is completely unimportant and insignificant. I predict that now that he's dead, it won't be long before his cult of personality fades away. Jack Hyles was the pastor of a megachurch, and who really talks all that much about him anymore?
 

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Looks like the UGC Channel is going to be "all Ruckman, all the time." I can hardly wait.
Your crystal ball amazes. Because so far it's been zero Ruckman ZERO PERCENT of the time, and we already have over 10 hours of Podcasts. Glad to see you've fully recovered from the judgmental stereotyping-to-soon culture of the IFB, which I was never a part of.

It is because we dared to read the Bible for ourselves instead of blindly accepting the teaching of self-appointed authoritative teaching like Ruckman and his minions.
Is there a Ruckman minion somewhere at UGC? I wonder why it's so popular on forums that when someone shares a differing viewpoint to now paint them ALL the way on the extreme opposite end of your spectrum and twist whatever they say into a monstrous, poisonous origami flower of evil threatening doom & destruction to justify your "me vs. everyone who disagrees" mentality. Nobody said you should never "dare" to read the Bible for yourself, do go back and read all of what I said before your old IFB judgmental stereotyping-to-soon tendencies resurface. Dude, did they abuse you guys this bad in the IFB? I've never seen such defensiveness.

What I said was the Bible says God calls pastors and teachers. Is this not in the Bible when you read it for yourself? Or does reading the Bible for yourself mean treating it like the salad bar at Ryan's Steakhouse?


I just don't see how we are helping the cause of Biblical fundamentalist Christianity when everything we teach is based on "Ruckman says," "Ruckman tells me so," "Ruckman is the greatest." This man is regarded as a wild-eyed crackpot by even the other KJV only folks like David Cloud, D.A. Waite, etc.
Please accept my apologies for my impertinence and impudence in reading and interpreting the Bible on my own, instead of relying on the authority of self-appointed Ruckmanite teachers who I am supposed to allow to interpret the Bible for me.
Again, no one told you reading the Bible on your own is "impudent". I'm going to be honest for everyone's own good: ex-IFB members should be careful about dwelling in a victim mentality.

Let me clear this up and then really throw some of you a curveball: I was never in the IFB. I even fight against unbiblical cultural traditions in the IFB. The majority of my youth I grew up in the liberal state of California. I was an electric guitarist and a drummer in rock bands. I went to Nondenominational churches who were all about "love" and "inspirational sermons" with no KJV in sight, some of which adopted Lordship Salvation and Covenant Theology, and were the exact opposite of the IFB culture. Nobody was mean, rather I policed people who I thought were mean and thought I was doing some great service for it (as we all did out there in lefty-land). Our churches had connections with all your famous Lordship Salvation and Calvinist churches. I even taught Lordship Salvation in Youth Group at certain points when I had no clue what I was doing. Later, I smoked weed and talked about "peace" and "love" and how alpha males are "oppressive narcissists" who just want power, man! That's our favorite thing in California: "Chill out, man! Why are you so firm on your beliefs, bro! Don't be so adamant, bro! Open up your mind, bro! Tolerance, bro! Don't listen to Authority, they're only about power! Traditions are lame, so close-minded! One love!" Already experienced buying into that back at one point during my youth. I could be everything I just described in this paragraph better than any ex-IFB member tries to appear "liberal" as a reaction to their IFB past: unfortunately but honestly, you look like posers to me. Let me go ahead and tell you: your judgmental stereotyping IFB tendencies are still showing: you wouldn't fool any group of "tolerant" "anti-browbeating" liberals I grew up with any day.

Then I worked for the Air Force (one of the least "rough around the edges" and most similar to the civilian working world of all branches) and realized just how brainwashed and out of balance that mindset is (see recent UGC podcasts and more to come for the infiltration of these leftist ideologies in America ever since the 60's with examples like Yuri Bezmenov). No, I did not suddenly swing wildly in the opposite direction of my past and become an IFB browbeating Republican: I saw a balanced side of all kinds of people and cultures from all 50 states with their various sub-cultures across the US. I actually identified with the Libertarian Party for a while and supported Ron Paul. In the Air Force I developed strong analytical abilities and attention to detail with real world consequences to people's lives. I finished my service and at around 26 I stumbled across the KJV issue. I studied it exclusively, literally full-time, every day, no days off, for over 6 months. I concluded the KJV is the most accurate English translation (I didn't say perfect, don't cry "RUCKMAN") and that Codex B and Aleph are completely whack.

After all this, I then studied at a Classic Dispensational Bible College who hold that the KJV is the most accurate (not perfect) translation (I did not study under Ruckman there). Then, a while later, I studied Mid-Acts Dispensationalism (not Ruckman) which I ended up sharing some disagreements with, but still learned much about prophecy vs. mystery (I didn't just pick one camp and marginalize everything else like a close-minded butt-hurt bigot). LASTLY I studied Ruckman: AND I ACTUALLY READ HIS BOOKS, I NEVER SAT IN HIS CHURCH OR GOT BROWBEAT or became a member of any IFB church, so unlike some ex-IFB members I have no personal emotional damage or attachment that would cause me to be biased. Oh yeah, and I don't agree with everything he taught, but that doesn't make it 100% wrong either, unless my emotions i.e. fear of other people's opinions of Ruckman's PERSONALITY override my basic ability to think for myself.


God already has completed fulfilled the land promise to Israel, Joshua 21:43-45. Nehemiah 9:7, 23-24.
They never received the full land promised to them and the Time of Jacob's Trouble has not yet been fulfilled: in fact, Jesus was preparing them to go through it when he was walking on the earth and said "the Kingdom of God is at hand", and that he "was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" when he had to make an exception for a Gentile at the time, because "the time was now fulfilled", then, not prior (this is why if you haven't thoroughly studied Mystery vs. Prophecy, how do you already know it's wrong if you don't fully understand this doctrine yet?? ) Then, Israel rejected their messiah multiple times, finally with the stoning of Stephen where they were scattered in Acts 8. This is why Romans 11 says Israel as a nation is blinded temporarily until the fulness of the Gentiles come in, when they will then all be saved. All Israel is not saved yet.

For all your quotes about the church now being in stead of Israel or fused in literally every single aspect together with national Israel: where are you getting all your teachers from, Biblehub.com? This has been one of the greatest and obviously documented heresies in history that has even been backed, quoted and used by Hitler and others to persecute the Jews over the centuries. The anti-semitism of replacement theology is one of the most intellectually ridiculous heresies among any denomination, without discrimination. It's no wonder this heresy is gaining popularity again here in the end times where God warned that people will not endure sound doctrine, but turn to teachers who'll scratch their itching ears: "all Baptists must be like IFB preachers and are meanies: let's go listen to the famous nice guys now because we forgot our heart was deceptive above all things." A reactionary response rather than one seeking truth beyond the flawed sinful nature of man): most replacement theologians also put people under the false gospel of Lordship Salvation (which I once believed and even taught in my youth; I am not nor was I ever cast in the mold of the IFB, farthest from it). Man, I always wondered why God put me through SO MUCH diversity in my trials and hardships in life. Now I see the need. My goodness, every denomination is messed up in one way or another worse than I thought.

Ex-IFB or ex-Ruckmanites should be careful: don't become the evil you hated, you'll end up worse: turning against some of the good things someone like Ruckman taught with the same spiteful vehemence Ruckman may have used to to inappropriately defend the right things. Anything Ruckman may have taught that was right, you'll now become a cult against, scaring people from publicly adopting these truths without having to be bullied by you. I wouldn't want to be in the path of God's chastening hand for this one; and no, I'm not saying that "anything bad that happens to you is because of this" like some IFB, but I also won't swing in the extreme opposite direction by emotional reaction. Again, no one who's actually studied Ruckman's writings disputes he was a genius, and geniuses don't often come with an empathetic personality. It doesn't mean God won't use their genius and give them "knowledge" in scripture as one of the spiritual gifts (IFB members: spiritual gifts? Knowledge, not tongues).
 
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We laugh at UGgy,
because he thinks "all the land"
means "some of the land."
 

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Ransom the next "Scooby Doo and the Incomplete Warming of the Promised Land featuring Anti-IFB Hippie Greta Thunberg" is not out yet. Relax.
 

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Hope this helps

 
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Ransom the next "Scooby Doo and the Incomplete Warming of the Promised Land featuring Anti-IFB Hippie Greta Thunberg" is not out yet. Relax.
UG is pretty dumb.
Really, really, really dumb.
That's how dumb he is.
 

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When somebody says
"Replacement theology"
unironically,

You can always tell
That he is a dispy-bot
Who thinks in straw men.
 

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UGC says "Don't cry Ruckman" but then he mentions Ruckman 12 times in a single post. Maybe it's just me, but this is the kind of cultic hero worship that causes me to stay away from any movement, IFB or non-IFB, that is all about any entity that was not recognized by the Nicaea Council in 325 AD as a member of the Holy Trinity. UGH!

UGC needs to get some help.
 

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he mentions Ruckman 12 times in a single post.
You can always tell
That he is a dispy-bot

Cool, autobots roll out. Better than a pez dispenser.

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"DECEPTICONS! TIME TO RID THE WORLD OF THE DISPY-BOTS. LOOK. LOOK AT MY MANY COLORFUL HAIKU!"

The London bridge is falling down.
Falling down,
Falling down,

Met-a-noia to the sound,
Ransom's shady

Cal-vin-ism to the ground,
Ground and pound,
Ground and pound,

Farmer boy at least can count
You're still shady
 
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Poor old Uggy-poo.
Can't discuss like a grownup.
Shows off toys instead.

Here is my response
To the revelation of
Uggy's brainless state:

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