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biscuit1953 said:Here are some quotes from the mask wearing Antifa members and other leftists who are involved in violent attacks across the country. One must go to "alternative media" to find things like this because the mainstream (Democratic Party) media will not give both sides!
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/in-their-own-words-the-radical-political-goals-of-anti-fascists/
A common mantra among far-left groups beginning shortly before the inauguration of President Turmp: make America ?ungovernable.?
?We need to make this country ungovernable,? declared a female leader for Refuse Fascism shortly after the inauguration. ?We need to do what the German people should have done when Hitler was elected.?
Refuse Fascism was among the left-wing groups advertising the Charlottesville rally and urged confrontation with the white nationalists: ?Drive them OUT of Charlottesville and out of power!?
CrimethInc, holds that anarchism is necessary to destroy white supremacy, which the group says cannot be fully extinguished in a democracy.
?Anarchism is one of the most thoroughgoing forms of opposition to fascism, in that it entails opposition to hierarchy itself. Virtually every framework that countenances hierarchy, be it democracy or ?national liberation,? enables old power imbalances like white supremacy and patriarchy to remain in place, hidden within the legitimacy of the prevailing structures,? the group explains.
They similarly want to destroy law enforcement and capitalists.
?We must identify the forces underlying their laws and their order?white supremacy, patriarchy, policing, capitalism, and the state. We have to work together to keep ourselves safe and reimagine the world without them,? the group states in an article, which was reposted on popular antifa website It?s Going Down.
Another far-left group at Charlottesville last weekend: the Workers World Party, a group of Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries who have declared their support for Kim Jong Un?s murderous dictatorship in North Korea. Workers World?s publication has consistently published propaganda-like screeds supporting Venezuela?s murderous regime.
The communist group ?sent many of its members to Charlottesville, Va., to beat back the Nazis and Klan who marched there,? according to a post recapping the group?s participation in the weekend?s violence.
http://www.workers.org/2017/08/14/charlottesville-watershed-in-the-united-struggle-against-fascism/
The group took credit for organizing the vandals who toppled a city-owned confederate statue in Durham, North Carolina this week.
http://www.workers.org/2017/08/15/freedom-fighters-topple-white-supremacy-statue/
While Workers World is currently fighting (literally) with white nationalists, the group is opposed to all in the ?ruling establishment? who the group explains hide ?behind a veil of ?democracy? and ?human rights.'?
I was in junior high school during the "cultural revolution" in China and had to give a report in class on current events in 1966 and that was one of the things I covered. I see no difference in that and what is taking place in America today.
And I have a right to disagree with your viewpoint. No one has the right create a mob and destroy property because they are "offended."Smellin Coffee said:Those statues SHOULD be torn down and the Confederate Flag eradicated.
Supposed I cheated on my wife a few years ago. (No, I've never cheated on my wife, just using it as an illustration.)
I asked for her forgiveness, been faithful ever since but I have left pictures of my mistress in both my work and home office spaces. She asks me to take them down because of the reminder of the hurt. I refuse to do so because "I have not cheated on you since. This is a part of my history and I have to accept it."
Sorry, that defiance in getting rid of memory won't help in healing that broken relationship.
In comparison, these things are OBJECTS, and these objects elicit triggers of pain to the majority of an entire race. We aren't talking about a few individuals here. So if we really want to fix race relations in this country, that is a good place to start. Should they be noted? Absolutely. Perhaps take photos of the statures before tearing them down and posting a memorial as to their historic context along with the reason as to why they were removed.
Personally, I would suggest this be only for public displays. Any memorials in graveyards I believe should not be removed. They aren't in public display of honor but are in honor of the dead, which I have no issue with. (Personal preference.) Regardless, I do believe erasing the Confederate honors via flag and statues should be eradicated from this country.
And yes, antifa was not passive in their actions. They were physically protecting people from supremacists.
And here is a picture of the "alt-left" which threatened the white supremacists:
Strange how non-Evangelical church leaders put their boots on the street against racism but I can't find pictures of Evangelical church leaders doing the same. Not saying they don't exist, I just can't seem to find them.
biscuit1953 said:And I have a right to disagree with your viewpoint. No one has the right create a mob and destroy property because they are "offended."
FSSL said:If your REALLY want social justice against the ethnic cleansing of blacks, work to get rid of Margaret Sanger's organization and those who celebrate her. I did.
You want to get rid of sex?Smellin Coffee said:FSSL said:If your REALLY want social justice against the ethnic cleansing of blacks, work to get rid of Margaret Sanger's organization and those who celebrate her. I did.
Or you could actually deal with the root causes that make women feel the need to access Sanger's organization.
Smellin Coffee said:Or you could actually deal with the root causes that make women feel the need to access Sanger's organization.
FSSL said:Smellin Coffee said:Or you could actually deal with the root causes that make women feel the need to access Sanger's organization.
As in Crisis Pregnancy Centers or any number of help centers available today where the goal is life, not abortion.
FSSL said:Have you ever volunteered or gave money in support?
biscuit1953 said:Smellin and other leftists are advocating anarchy!
Smellin Coffee said:But I also go further. Have you volunteered at battered women's shelters where children are living to help the kids? What about spending time helping special needs kids who weren't aborted but who are now living in facilities because their mother has either abandoned them, was mentally ill herself or died? CPCs and PP only deal with one aspect of a person's/family's well-being. There is pre- and post-birth issues that need to be dealt with and security in those areas will limit people needing PP or any CPC.
Thank God millions of Americans don't take Mike Huckabee up on the idea they have the right to destroy anything they see as offensive. You are no different than Antifa in ideology. You are an anarchist at heart.Smellin Coffee said:biscuit1953 said:Smellin and other leftists are advocating anarchy!
Thank God the Boston Tea Party in 1773 was fake news!