The Doctrine of Complete Dispensationalism (Refining it Down)

tmjbog said:
His argument seems to be that God, being in the 5th or above dimension, can see the consequence of every action and thus only makes the best decisions which avoids sin.
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The very notion of God occupying "the 5th dimension" is pseudoscientific nonsense on the face of it. A "dimension" is simply a coordinate required to specify an object's point in a space. Typically we accept three dimensions of space (enough to tell you where I am, for example) and one of time.

The Wonder Twins have pulled the idea of higher dimensions being other planes of existence, and God dwelling in them like Mr. Mxyzptlk, out of some bad science fiction. I'll bet Tweedledumber here can't explain what the "5th dimension" represents, or what it means to move within it.
 
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Wow. You're really dumb.

Everyone from higher academia is laughing at you right now.

Alright that about confirms it, good luck Dunning-Kruger man.
 
tmjbog said:
In the verse you quote it God is referred to as a "Lamb" as well as light? So which is he a lamb or light?
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Are you serious.

Both are metaphors of function.

The Lamb functions as a sacrifice, Jesus was the literal sacrifice for our sins. Unless you think he "didn't literally pay for them, that's an allegorical Aesop's fable" and renounce your Christian faith.
A Lamp functions as an "illuminator", and in the passage we see it "gives the city its light" instead of (juxtaposed against verifying the context further) the sun and the moon.

So you are basically arguing that Jesus' functional sacrifice for sin wasn't literal, but an allegorical fairy tale (next step: a payment to Satan, I'm sure), and that the sun, the moon, AND the city are all figurative (meaning they can essentially mean whatever you want so long as you rob everyone of their plain meanings in favor of whatever new denomination picks and chooses in an inconsistent way where God is being literal and where he's being figurative: because he really means the sun and moon in other places, but just not in the random passages you don't want him to).

Follow the logic of your reasoning through to its inevitable conclusion before you make stupid claims. Otherwise you'll make yourself look almost as dumb as Ransom here. He actually doesn't believe in Physics or Mathematics and his argument concludes any object in 3D space can travel faster than light through 4D time, since it all ends there for his stone age understanding, living under a kindergarten rock over there in podunk Stupidville, Canada. He hasn't even studied the very basics of Einstein in high school yet claims with such bold ignorance the dark age garbage that falls out of his mouth and defiles him. Don't be like Dunning-Kruger man.

With that said, we can now clearly see why this statement of yours was laughably ignorant:
tmjbog said:
Of course the logical conclusion
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UGC said:
He actually doesn't believe in Physics or Mathematics and his argument concludes any object in 3D space can travel faster than light through 4D time
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What argument? I defined a dimension, you illiterate boob.
 
UGC said:
So you are basically arguing that Jesus' functional sacrifice for sin wasn't literal, but an allegorical fairy tale (next step: a payment to Satan, I'm sure), and that the sun, the moon, AND the city are all figurative
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Crazy talk. Things I never said.

UGC said:
The Lamb functions as a sacrifice, Jesus was the literal sacrifice for our sins. Unless you think he "didn't literally pay for them
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Just the opposite. He most definitely did literally pay for them. He was not literally a lamb. Calling Himself a lamb was a way of explaining his purpose to mankind. They were used to sacrificing lambs for their sins. This explains that purpose of Christ.
 
Ransom said:
What argument? I defined a dimension
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The staggering lack of education and ignorance of Dunning-Kruger man. So sad. Did you go to school in a 3rd world country? Then we'd give you pity. Otherwise, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.


@tmjbog The greatest weakness of non-Dispensationalists is that their hermeneutic is not consistent. The Earth and Heaven is literal in some places, but in others it's not because they don't want the Great Tribulation to be a future event. The Sun and Moon is literal in some places, but it's not wherever they don't like what the text is saying.

Are you aware that the Bible says our God is a consuming fire, and that in Isaiah 6 it says angels fly around his throne all day covering their faces and feet with their own wings (because he's not literally emitting any light I'm sure: every passage about that in the Bible is being allegorical and means whatever you want it to mean instead).

"Selectively allegorize the Bible like its your salad bar" non-Dispensational denominations are designed for the proud to bumble and stumble over themselves in their massively arrogant endeavor to twist the word of God to make his timeline fit their human mind. They don't obey God when he say to rightly divide. They don't obey God anywhere they can change the plain meaning of the text to a meaning more suitable to the comforts of their human understanding. They don't allow the word of God to elevate them in understanding, the allow their limited theology to diminish the word of God.


Dr. Charles Ryrie tells us all the importance of using a consistent hermeneutic.

I'd recommend learning about an entire system of theology you think you're the only person smarter than before teaching against it.
The best teacher has made himself the student of many first. That's why, even though you only see the confidence of the end result: they are the ones who practice humility and submitting themselves one to another in action.

Unlike Ransom here, as we can all see, which is why his Biblical and doctrinal knowledge is Calvinist and at the peabrain level of sub-normal IQ understanding, yet he views himself as a genius: because he is arrogant and lacks humility, and God will not revealed knowledge to him until he gets over that hurdle.
 
UGC said:
The staggering lack of education and ignorance of Dunning-Kruger man
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That's OK. You make up for your ignorance with bluster. I'm sure someone's impressed. Maybe your boyfriend, or your mom.
 
UGC said:
all day covering their faces and feet with their own wings (because he's not literally emitting any light I'm sure
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So now you begin to attempt your twist back toward sanity. Your original statement said he was light, not that emitted light. Plus you have Him existing in a dimension that you claimed only light could exist in.
 
UGC said:
Your projection precedes your self-awareness.
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Yes, it does. Have you given any thought to the Klingon idea. That would show ol' Rucky and Kim who can come up with the best Sci-Fi Bible tie in. We could add an addendum to the Bible for those, shall we say, IQ challenged. We call it the book of dimensions. And, get this, we write it in Klingon-I mean we "find" it written in Klingon.
 
FSSL said:
Someone has the Creator confused with the creation!
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Backwards. That's actually what Ransom is arguing for though he's unaware of it.

Much like he's unaware he's arguing from the standpoint of a hippie when he claims the 5th dimension is a New Age idea (completely ignorant of Physics: I recommend never walking into any Ivy League school because you are now the laughingstock of their world).

If there are only 4 dimensions, that means God has always existed within those 4 dimensions too, meaning God is subject to time and time is not subject to God, as he has always been bound within it, not outside it. Ransom, whether he realizes it or not, is so incredibly stupid that he's actually concluding God did not create time. If you believe time and space are BOTH God's creation, that means a 5th dimension absolutely must exist, because it would be the space where God resides outside of time: the only way around this is to argue God is not any kind of substance and can exist in no space at all (extremely stupid considering the Bible tells us the nature of God and that he does occupy a specific space in the 3rd heaven).

Incredibly dumb. Incredible.
 
UGC said:
That's actually what Ransom is arguing for though he's unaware of it.
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LOL!
Much like he's unaware he's arguing from the standpoint of a hippie when he claims the 5th dimension is a New Age idea (completely ignorant of Physics
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No, it was the name of a band, you absolute numpty. You are too stupid to understand a joke, apparently, even though you walked right into it.
Ransom, whether he realizes it or not, is so incredibly stupid that he's actually concluding God did not create time.
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You've got so much nonsense stuffed up your rectum, it must hurt to sit. Don't pull it all out at once, you'll give yourself hemorrhoids.
 
Ransom said:
hemorrhoids.
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You know when Ransom starts talking about his hemorrhoids, he has no response.

Probably because he has no clue what he's talking about and needs to go back to school.
 
UGC said:
Backwards. That's actually what Ransom is arguing for though he's unaware of it.

Much like he's unaware he's arguing from the standpoint of a hippie when he claims the 5th dimension is a New Age idea (completely ignorant of Physics: I recommend never walking into any Ivy League school because you are now the laughingstock of their world).

If there are only 4 dimensions, that means God has always existed within those 4 dimensions too, meaning God is subject to time and time is not subject to God, as he has always been bound within it, not outside it. Ransom, whether he realizes it or not, is so incredibly stupid that he's actually concluding God did not create time. If you believe time and space are BOTH God's creation, that means a 5th dimension absolutely must exist, because it would be the space where God resides outside of time: the only way around this is to argue God is not any kind of substance and can exist in no space at all (extremely stupid considering the Bible tells us the nature of God and that he does occupy a specific space in the 3rd heaven).

Incredibly dumb. Incredible.
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Still trying to put God in your human box? Jesus walked on water, the sun stood still in Joshua's day. Both of these are in violation of our "dimension". God is not limited by the box you attempt to put him in.
 
Hey "genius" @Ransom. Are you unaware that everyone with a proper education knows no 3D object can travel faster than light through time, therefore light supersedes the 4th dimension (time), therefore there must be a higher dimension than the 4th, which has been verified by mathematics in Physics for decades now?

Are you aware there's this huge machine underground called the Large Hadron Collider where they're colliding particles near the speed of light to analyze subatomic particles? And that everyone knows light is both a particle and a wave?

I guess because Einstein wasn't Canadian, Ransom didn't even learn about the very basics of General or Special Relativity in high school physics.

Keep using all your electrical appliances and iphone thinking you're smarter than the "New Agers who believe in the 5th dimension" who BUILT them. Pompous, ignorant kid.
 
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