Covid infections in 10,000 vaccinated

Why not get infected? It's not a vaccine.
 
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“First, the number of reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases is likely a substantial undercount” because the data come from a national surveillance system that relies on passive and voluntary reporting, and because many people with breakthrough infections might not seek testing, particularly those who show no symptoms.

Additionally, sequence data are only available for a small proportion of the cases that were reported.
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Ekklesian said:
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So knowing that the vaccinated crowd is skewed toward the more vulnerable, why do you suppose these breakthrough cases are substantially underreported? Why would this older and more sickly segment of the population not even getting sick enough to go for a covid test?
 
Ransom said:
Twisted is a pretty good reminder that it's only genius that has limits.
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Eminent epidemiologists have posited that it should be allowed to spread in the "vanishingly low risk" tiers of the population, which is a vast majority thereof. Vaccinations are only a part of a medical and scientific approach to any epidemic. The Faucian lockdown, hunker-in-a-bunker-till-there's-a-vaccine approach is actually more detrimental than this pathogen.
 
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Mass Vaccination Triggers Spike in Cases, Deaths - LewRockwell

COVID cases have risen sharply in nearly every country that has launched a mass vaccination campaign. (Please watch this short video before You Tube removes it.1) Why is this happening? Mass vaccination was supposed to reduce the threat of COVID but — in the short term — it appears to make it...
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"Now that cases have dropped sharply across the country"

Wonder what made cases drop sharply?
 
tmjbog said:
"Now that cases have dropped sharply across the country"

Wonder what made cases drop sharply?
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First, a "case" is meaningless unless the person has symptoms. But to answer your question, they are now running the PCR test (never made to be a detection test) at less than 25 cycles. Anything above that gives a huge percentage of false positives.
So, yes, if they had done this from the beginning, there would never have been a "pandemic" (which they changed the definition of for covid) and life would have always been normal.
 
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tmjbog said:
"Now that cases have dropped sharply across the country"

Wonder what made cases drop sharply?
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Likely a number of things. 1) Testing has dropped sharply, so if you're not looking for cases, you won't find them. By the same token, if and when testing goes back up, so will the case count, despite the rate of hospitalizations and deaths. 2) The season. These types of infectious diseases are highly seasonal. 3), the natural immunity the population has developed by widespread exposure.

You probably wanted me to say the vaccine is responsible. It may be only partly responsible. I didn't watch all the YouTube video with the graphs. I noticed, though, that covid deaths were already in decline when the vaccinations started, and the rate of decline seemed unaffected by the rate of vaccinations.
 
Twisted said:
First, a "case" is meaningless unless the person has symptoms. But to answer your question, they are now running the PCR test (never made to be a detection test) at less than 25 cycles. Anything above that gives a huge percentage of false positives.
So, yes, if they had done this from the beginning, there would never have been a "pandemic" (which they changed the definition of for covid) and life would have always been normal.
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Good to know. So then a spike in cases in Cambodia or any other country is not significant since a case is meaningless, right?
 
Ekklesian said:
Likely a number of things. 1) Testing has dropped sharply, so if you're not looking for cases, you won't find them. By the same token, if and when testing goes back up, so will the case count, despite the rate of hospitalizations and deaths. 2) The season. These types of infectious diseases are highly seasonal. 3), the natural immunity the population has developed by widespread exposure.

You probably wanted me to say the vaccine is responsible. It may be only partly responsible. I didn't watch all the YouTube video with the graphs. I noticed, though, that covid deaths were already in decline when the vaccinations started, and the rate of decline seemed unaffected by the rate of vaccinations.
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No, I was more interested in seeing what kind of Fauciesque acrobatics you would go through to deny the vaccine had any impact. So I see the US began vaccinating on December 14 and the deaths peaked on Jan 7 then continued a dramatic decline. From a novices perspective it looks like it mostly followed vaccinations. Of course there are a million things in the mix that could impact it so I'm not going to say it was absolutely the vaccine. The best test of the vaccines effectiveness is still number of vaccinated who die of Covid compared to unvaccinated.

Additional advice for those concerned about the Cambodia spike in cases around the time the vaccine was being administered, don't go to Cambodia for your vaccine.
 
tmjbog said:
Good to know. So then a spike in cases in Cambodia or any other country is not significant since a case is meaningless, right?
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I have a friend in Fiji. Fiji has instituted horrible lockdown conditions because of the high number of "cases". Yet hardly anyone is ill. My friend is outraged at the control the government has over the people.
 
tmjbog said:
Good to know. So then a spike in cases in Cambodia or any other country is not significant since a case is meaningless, right?
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And BTW, learn to read. I said cases are meaningless UNLESS THEY HAVE symptoms. The "issue" of asymptomatic carriers has been blown out of the water.
 
Twisted said:
And BTW, learn to read. I said cases are meaningless UNLESS THEY HAVE symptoms. The "issue" of asymptomatic carriers has been blown out of the water.
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Sorry I'm from WV it takes me a minute. So what you are saying is that the 28K spike in cases in Cambodia is meaningless data unless you know how many of those were actually symptomatic or it supports your anti-vaccine case?
 
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