Covid infections in 10,000 vaccinated

Sorry I'm from WV it takes me a minute. So what you are saying is that the 28K spike in cases in Cambodia is meaningless data unless you know how many of those were actually symptomatic or it supports your anti-vaccine case?
 
COVID deaths among the vaccinated: Just under 100
I have no idea where you get that number. It's currently in the thousands. You obviously didn't watch the video as he said deaths are over 4,000. Hey, you can stay ignorant all you want. Doesn't bother me in the least.
 
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I have no idea where you get that number. It's currently in the thousands. Hey, you can stay ignorant all you want. Doesn't bother me in the least.

 
81. In one state. They shut down the Swine Flu vaccine program in 1976 when they had 50 deaths nationwide. This is the most deadly toxin ever injected into human beings.
 
81. In one state. They shut down the Swine Flu vaccine program in 1976 when they had 50 deaths nationwide. This is the most deadly toxin ever injected into human beings.
I live in WV. Meth kind of has a following here. I think I would be hesitant to agree that the vaccine is the most deadly toxin ever injected into human beings. Your right the article I grabbed was reporting in IL. Below is the official count as of May 24.
I'm assuming the 50 deaths in 1976 were directly caused by the vaccine. The 439 are people who got COVID and died of it even though they were vaccinated. In other words the vaccine was not 100% effective which no one ever said it would be.
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Sorry I'm from WV it takes me a minute. So what you are saying is that the 28K spike in cases in Cambodia is meaningless data unless you know how many of those were actually symptomatic or it supports your anti-vaccine case?
Epidemiologically, spikes in cases alone are meaningless. First, testing of scientific representative samples of the population needs to be performed to accurately estimate just how much of the population has actually been exposed. (That was never done, btw, in the U.S. with this outbreak.) And then the number of casualties, which is easy to see because those are the cases in which people are seeking treatment, needs to be compared. It's really the rate of hospitalization and death that counts.

However, real epidemiologists are using global data to extrapolate the real situation in the U.S, and seven months ago it was clear that about 71% of the total population have resistance to this virus, which is the estimated number needed to reach herd immunity and end the pandemic.

Skip to about 10:50 in the video:

Katz, probably the world's foremost authority on public health, has been making a series of informative videos throughout the pandemic, and his 'total harm minimization' response strategy, which was akin to the approach suggested by Stanford's Dr. Scott Atlas, who served on the White House task force with Fauci. If you take time to go through these videos, you will learn that this pandemic is mild, as far as pandemics go, and could be easily managed without lockdowns and a vaccine. Atlas, if you remember, resigned because of resistance by Fauci et al who, knowing better, want the draconian, deadly and destructive lockdowns to continue, and everyone to remain ignorant and in fear until everyone is jabbed.

That betrays an ulterior motive, and we serve that motive when we look to the vaccine as the way out of the pandemic.
 
Epidemiologically, spikes in cases alone are meaningless. First, testing of scientific representative samples of the population needs to be performed to accurately estimate just how much of the population has actually been exposed. (That was never done, btw, in the U.S. with this outbreak.) And then the number of casualties, which is easy to see because those are the cases in which people are seeking treatment, needs to be compared. It's really the rate of hospitalization and death that counts.

However, real epidemiologists are using global data to extrapolate the real situation in the U.S, and seven months ago it was clear that about 71% of the total population have resistance to this virus, which is the estimated number needed to reach herd immunity and end the pandemic.

Skip to about 10:50 in the video:

Katz, probably the world's foremost authority on public health, has been making a series of informative videos throughout the pandemic, and his 'total harm minimization' response strategy, which was akin to the approach suggested by Stanford's Dr. Scott Atlas, who served on the White House task force with Fauci. If you take time to go through these videos, you will learn that this pandemic is mild, as far as pandemics go, and could be easily managed without lockdowns and a vaccine. Atlas, if you remember, resigned because of resistance by Fauci et al who, knowing better, want the draconian, deadly and destructive lockdowns to continue, and everyone to remain ignorant and in fear until everyone is jabbed.

That betrays an ulterior motive, and we serve that motive when we look to the vaccine as the way out of the pandemic.
What makes him the foremost authority on public health? The fact that he writes diet books and frequents Oprah. Here's what was written about him in an article titled The Oprah-fication of medicine:
"And, of course, let’s not forget David L. Katz, MD. You may recall Dr. Katz from Dr. Atwood’s discussion of him on SBM. Dr. Katz is probably best known around the skeptical blogosphere for saying that he thinks:

…we have to look beyond the results of RCTs [randomized clinical trials] in order to address patient needs today, and to do that I’ve arrived at the concept of a more fluid form of evidence than many of us have imbibed from our medical educations.
Dr. Katz has also defended homeopathy, promoted anecdotes above clinical trials and scientific evidence, and gone on to suggest that we need to think more “fluidly” about evidence. For this, he has been roundly criticized and even mocked in the blogosphere–and deservedly so. No wonder he’s a regular, along with Dr. Mehmet Oz, on Oprah. Indeed, one of the NEWSWEEK blogs even refers to him as one of the “resident heath experts” on Oprah and a columnist for Oprah’s magazine."

I agree with you on the lockdowns. Health wise they were probably at least as damaging as COVID. However, since the vaccine is here and it seems to work remarkably well, I found it to be a worthwhile risk. None of the horror stories have come to be as of yet. And on a side note if all of us vaccinated to drop dead in the next 12 months or so, look at the opportunities available to those who chose not to vaccinate. You can remake the world vaccine free.
 
What makes him the foremost authority on public health? The fact that he writes diet books and frequents Oprah. Here's what was written about him in an article titled The Oprah-fication of medicine:
"And, of course, let’s not forget David L. Katz, MD. You may recall Dr. Katz from Dr. Atwood’s discussion of him on SBM. Dr. Katz is probably best known around the skeptical blogosphere for saying that he thinks:


Dr. Katz has also defended homeopathy, promoted anecdotes above clinical trials and scientific evidence, and gone on to suggest that we need to think more “fluidly” about evidence. For this, he has been roundly criticized and even mocked in the blogosphere–and deservedly so. No wonder he’s a regular, along with Dr. Mehmet Oz, on Oprah. Indeed, one of the NEWSWEEK blogs even refers to him as one of the “resident heath experts” on Oprah and a columnist for Oprah’s magazine."

I agree with you on the lockdowns. Health wise they were probably at least as damaging as COVID. However, since the vaccine is here and it seems to work remarkably well, I found it to be a worthwhile risk. None of the horror stories have come to be as of yet. And on a side note if all of us vaccinated to drop dead in the next 12 months or so, look at the opportunities available to those who chose not to vaccinate. You can remake the world vaccine free.
Ad hominem shall not avail you in this case.

David L. Katz, MD, MPH, FACPM, FACP, FACLM earned his BA at Dartmouth College (1984); his MD at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine (1988); and his MPH from the Yale University School of Public Health (1993). He completed sequential residency training and board certification in Internal Medicine (1991) and Preventive Medicine/Public Health (1993).

Katz is the founder and former director of Yale University’s Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center (1998-2019); Past President of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine; President and Founder of the non-profit True Health Initiative; and Founder and CEO of Diet ID, Inc. He is a Fellow of the American College of Preventive Medicine; the American College of Physicians; the American College of Lifestyle Medicine; and Morse College, Yale University.

The recipient of numerous awards for teaching, writing, and contributions to public health, Katz was a 2019 nominee for a James Beard Foundation Award in health journalism, has been a widely supported nominee for the position of U.S. Surgeon General, and has received three honorary doctorates.

He holds multiple US patents; has over 200 peer-reviewed publications; has published many hundreds of on-line and newspaper columns; and has authored/co-authored 19 books to date including multiple editions of leading textbooks in nutrition, preventive medicine, and epidemiology.

His career-long focus has been the translation of science into action for the addition of years to life, and life to years.

On the COVID pandemic, he has advocated consistently for a policy of total harm minimization by means of risk-stratified interdiction efforts.

Katz has presented at conferences in all 50 states and in multiple countries on six continents. He has been recognized by peers as the “poet laureate of health promotion.”

Informed people are rightly wary of this vaccine, and especially of the disingenuous promotion of it as the only way out of a pandemic.

That doesn't make them antivaxxers.
 
Ad hominem shall not avail you in this case.



Informed people are rightly wary of this vaccine, and especially of the disingenuous promotion of it as the only way out of a pandemic.

That doesn't make them antivaxxers.
Your right, maybe Dr. Oz and Dr. Katz should be who we look to as our health experts. In that spirit I am now learning more about our exulted health expert. There's much we can learn from him if we just go read his Huffington Post articles:

Here's one where he makes the case that President Trump is mentally ill (also calls him a liar for good measure):
Apparently Dr. Katz is a renowned expert in mental issues as well.

Below is a sample of one of several articles where he talks about the truth of global warming:

In a single article he affirms evolution and global warming here:

and this one on the need for universal healthcare:

I'll leave you with Dr. Katz's own words:
"It is despite the humility of science and the assault of doubt that truths are established beyond the shadows: gravity is real, climate change and our complicity in it are real, immunization saves countless lives, the earth is billions of years old, our solar system is heliocentric, evolution is real- and on a daily basis, science is repudiated by those using the endowment of its methods. It is not a given, incremental advance of science for which we marched- it is for the methods that fuel the advance, allowing all the while for the route to truth to be both hard and tortuous.
 
Your right, maybe Dr. Oz and Dr. Katz should be who we look to as our health experts. In that spirit I am now learning more about our exulted health expert. There's much we can learn from him if we just go read his Huffington Post articles:

Here's one where he makes the case that President Trump is mentally ill (also calls him a liar for good measure):
Apparently Dr. Katz is a renowned expert in mental issues as well.

Below is a sample of one of several articles where he talks about the truth of global warming:

In a single article he affirms evolution and global warming here:

and this one on the need for universal healthcare:

I'll leave you with Dr. Katz's own words:
"It is despite the humility of science and the assault of doubt that truths are established beyond the shadows: gravity is real, climate change and our complicity in it are real, immunization saves countless lives, the earth is billions of years old, our solar system is heliocentric, evolution is real- and on a daily basis, science is repudiated by those using the endowment of its methods. It is not a given, incremental advance of science for which we marched- it is for the methods that fuel the advance, allowing all the while for the route to truth to be both hard and tortuous.
He's also all for the vaccine.

I know he's a liberal. That his statements on the pandemic go against the liberal narrative, and your attempts to vilify him instead of addressing the content of his posts are excellent indications of his objectiveness in medicine.

A medical association known for their political conservatism, the AAPS, shares his risk stratified approach. Almost every true medical professional does. I can't find their post about it right now, but a cursory search revealed this little gem about caution with the vaccine. https://aapsonline.org/covid-19-are-vaccines-amazing-then-why-the-hesitancy/ . Anyway, browse their site. You'll get a lot of good information. Almost the same info you'd get by watching the eminent Dr. Katz's videos.
 
He's also all for the vaccine.

I know he's a liberal. That his statements on the pandemic go against the liberal narrative, and your attempts to vilify him instead of addressing the content of his posts are excellent indications of his objectiveness in medicine.

A medical association known for their political conservatism, the AAPS, shares his risk stratified approach. Almost every true medical professional does. I can't find their post about it right now, but a cursory search revealed this little gem about caution with the vaccine. https://aapsonline.org/covid-19-are-vaccines-amazing-then-why-the-hesitancy/ . Anyway, browse their site. You'll get a lot of good information. Almost the same info you'd get by watching the eminent Dr. Katz's videos.
I don't have a problem with vaccine hesitancy. I was too. I was eligible n January but didn't take it until April. After a few months of data it seems quite effective (a year if you count clinical trials). You can try to twist the data as you like but I know of many who have contracted COVID in my area. I can probably come up with 8-10 people I know of in my community who died from it. No one from either of those groups were vaccinated. In other words the data seems to follow what I see in real life. When I was on the fence, I found that most of those vocal in their opposition to the vaccine were willing to make any weak argument to make their case (Fauci & Bill Gates were roommates). Much of the anti covid vaccine resistance also comes from the anti-vax in general crowd. A friend of mine who refuses to take it told me he also refused to have his son take any of the childhood vaccines. By the way he is still working on proving that Obama was born in Kenya as well.
 
COVID deaths among the vaccinated: Just under 100
COVID deaths among the unvaccinated: Around 590,000
But surely this is an unfair comparison... the vaccine wasn't generally available for many, many months after COVID was around. This number would be more useful if it was deaths since (say) March 2021.
 
But surely this is an unfair comparison... the vaccine wasn't generally available for many, many months after COVID was around. This number would be more useful if it was deaths since (say) March 2021.
Ok. 65,000 then.
 
tmjboggeddown: "Just another Canadian covid fruitcake. Ignore him. There's nothing to see here. Move along."

tmjbog would be a fitting apologist for the guy Hitler hired to light the furnaces at Auschwitz.

 
Lew Rockwell, noted virologist. Snort!
Yeah, he's probably about as dumb as you are about that stuff. Fortunately, he didn't write the article.
 
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