The Vaccinated and the Delta Variant

Norefund said:
I agree that the experts and government spokespeople have changed their message a few times. That's what happens when you acquire more information. An adjustment gets made due to the additional knowledge.
Click to expand...
Is it safe to assume that they have acquired all the knowledge now, or will additional knowledge be gained in the future that might make them say "well, that vaccine was a mistake!"?
 
Ekklesian said:
The majority of which must be old and have some preexisting health issues.
Click to expand...
It really isn't that simple. One is middle aged, one is older and one is in between. No medical issues on the middle aged and in-between. Oddly, their spouses also contracted the virus and recovered fully after pretty harsh flu like symptoms.
 
voicecrying said:
Is it safe to assume that they have acquired all the knowledge now, or will additional knowledge be gained in the future that might make them say "well, that vaccine was a mistake!"?
Click to expand...
I guess it's a possibility. However, given the huge number of people who have received the vaccine and the very tiny number of complications, I doubt it.
 
AverageJoe said:
As stated, we have seen the damage firsthand ourselves as well, and we've declined the "jab" and will continue to do so. The ones in our family who have received the vaccine have experienced side effects, some mild, some more severe, and most of them regret having the "jab." It's really strange how those who have had the "jab" on forums and FB always seem to try to convince others that it's necessary for the protection of others. This just has not , by any CREDIBLE, Independent source, been proven to be the case. JMHO
Click to expand...
The people in my social circle and family have, in some cases, experienced a brief flu like symptom period after the 2nd shot. No one I know has had any serious or lingering effect or regrets getting the vaccine. I experienced nothing at all. The sense of freedom and return to somewhat normal living has been wonderful. I stay off Facebook. I'm not trying to convince anyone to get the vaccine. I am debating the misinformation posted daily by those who are trying to convince us that it is all a government conspiracy and that the dangers of the vaccine are being hidden from all - well, all but a few "independent thinkers, bloggers, youtubers, etc." that have no medical training or any qualifications other than the ability to type on a keyboard or create a video and upload it.
I guess I trust the medical community more than most here.
I asked this in a prior post but I'll ask it again. To all of you who think the medical community is untrustworthy, what would you do if you had a loved one that needed medical attention for a serious condition - cancer, heart issues, etc. - If you had the opportunity and means to get treatment at Mayo Clinic, would you? Or would you decide not to based on your belief that they are part of the vast conspiracy to pedal false information about Covid and the vaccines?
Would you consult with physicians, medical specialists, and hospitals or would you wait and see what lewrockwell.com and americanthinker.com, and theblaze.com and people on facebook and youtubers tell you what you should do for your loved one? Where do you draw the line?
 
Norefund said:
The people in my social circle and family have, in some cases, experienced a brief flu like symptom period after the 2nd shot. No one I know has had any serious or lingering effect or regrets getting the vaccine. I experienced nothing at all. The sense of freedom and return to somewhat normal living has been wonderful. I stay off Facebook. I'm not trying to convince anyone to get the vaccine. I am debating the misinformation posted daily by those who are trying to convince us that it is all a government conspiracy and that the dangers of the vaccine are being hidden from all - well, all but a few "independent thinkers, bloggers, youtubers, etc." that have no medical training or any qualifications other than the ability to type on a keyboard or create a video and upload it.
I guess I trust the medical community more than most here.
I asked this in a prior post but I'll ask it again. To all of you who think the medical community is untrustworthy, what would you do if you had a loved one that needed medical attention for a serious condition - cancer, heart issues, etc. - If you had the opportunity and means to get treatment at Mayo Clinic, would you? Or would you decide not to based on your belief that they are part of the vast conspiracy to pedal false information about Covid and the vaccines?
Would you consult with physicians, medical specialists, and hospitals or would you wait and see what lewrockwell.com and americanthinker.com, and theblaze.com and people on facebook and youtubers tell you what you should do for your loved one? Where do you draw the line?
Click to expand...
That's no an honest comparison to make. It's like comparing apples to oranges. In things we KNOW we can somewhat trust the government in, like the treatment of certain diseases where they have been proven to be somewhat honest, we can definitely trust them. But, in something that is experimental, unproven, and not accepted by many in society because of legitimate concerns, we have to wait to see if the vaccines are indeed going to be proven effective. So far we have only the word of the government supporting themselves, not the LONG TERM TRUTH of the matter. That's what it will take to convince many who hold the position I hold. I'm not sure it will change my mind. Oh, and by the way, I never had any type of fear of going out into public and never lived on lockdown. I faced getting arrested here in Tennessee, but I would have fought any charges brought against me, as would have many of my friends and neighbors who saw what was truly going on. The government still WILL NOT RELEASE the TRUE NUMBERS for the deaths related ONLY TO COVID. That would prove our point. The recovery rate helps prove it.
 
Norefund said:
I guess it's a possibility. However, given the huge number of people who have received the vaccine and the very tiny number of complications, I doubt it.
Click to expand...
Have there been any other medications/treatments in the past that seemed to be fine at first but then years later, it was discovered to cause serious issues?
 
Norefund said:
I asked this in a prior post but I'll ask it again. To all of you who think the medical community is untrustworthy, what would you do if you had a loved one that needed medical attention for a serious condition - cancer, heart issues, etc. - If you had the opportunity and means to get treatment at Mayo Clinic, would you?
Click to expand...
Essential oils man, it's all you need. The government knew that Lavender cures everything decades ago. It's all a govt conspiracy to keep you enslaved to big medicine.
 
voicecrying said:
Have there been any other medications/treatments in the past that seemed to be fine at first but then years later, it was discovered to cause serious issues?
Click to expand...
Of course there have been serious issues found with medical treatments later on. In most cases, those issue were a small number but still serious enough to discontinue usage. Can you find any vaccines that fit that criteria?
 
AverageJoe said:
That's no an honest comparison to make. It's like comparing apples to oranges. In things we KNOW we can somewhat trust the government in, like the treatment of certain diseases where they have been proven to be somewhat honest, we can definitely trust them. But, in something that is experimental, unproven, and not accepted by many in society because of legitimate concerns, we have to wait to see if the vaccines are indeed going to be proven effective. So far we have only the word of the government supporting themselves, not the LONG TERM TRUTH of the matter. That's what it will take to convince many who hold the position I hold. I'm not sure it will change my mind. Oh, and by the way, I never had any type of fear of going out into public and never lived on lockdown. I faced getting arrested here in Tennessee, but I would have fought any charges brought against me, as would have many of my friends and neighbors who saw what was truly going on. The government still WILL NOT RELEASE the TRUE NUMBERS for the deaths related ONLY TO COVID. That would prove our point. The recovery rate helps prove it.
Click to expand...
I guess our difference of opinion is in the words "experimental and unproven" and maybe even "legitimate concerns." I'm ruling out long term for the obvious reason. If you are referring to the mRNA method of vaccination being experimental, I'll agree that it is new in actual role out. It's been in development for around 20 years and the next round of flu season vaccines will be mRNA. I think a great many vaccines in the future will be mRNA. It's a breakthrough.
I am not trying to change your mind. I'm just giving you my thoughts as it seems like most on this forum - at least those who post most often - are anti-vaccine. I know it probably doesn't matter but I am posting a couple of links that you may find at least worth considering:
Mayo Clinic vaccine myths
CDC understanding mRNA
The Unlikely Pioneer Behind mRNA Vaccines -podcast
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top