Ekklesian’s Discussion Thread

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There's very much truth in what I've said.

Faith and sight are different things. And besides, what is true in the world of men is not the same in the world of spirits, so stop confusing the two. There is no faith, or use of any, in any devil or angel.

Before I answer you questions about my confessions before God, against Whom, and Whom only I have sinned, tell me about yours.
I never asked for a list of your sins, nor whom you have sinned against. Let’s have a little transparency. I’ll make this as simple as possible. You call yourself a Christian. Great. Now, what denomination are you affiliated with?
 
I never asked for a list of your sins, nor whom you have sinned against. Let’s have a little transparency. I’ll make this as simple as possible. You call yourself a Christian. Great. Now, what denomination are you affiliated with?
Baptist
 
Saved or not, one knows exactly what a Christian is, and it's the broader definition upon which I expounded.

Which is not something I have done.

My beliefs on salvation:

One is saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Christ was our substitute. On the Cross He bore our sins in His own body, and paid the penalty we owed.

If one will confess with his mouth the Lord Jesus, and believes in his heart that God has raised Him from the dead, then he will be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation.

very good..... you know the scriptural definition of salvation.... ...did you google that?... or is it a belief you hold in your heart?.... something you have dedicated your life to?....... and if it is.... then why did you come here trolling the forum as if you were something else?..... and why did you come directly after me the way you did when i answered a post in FSSLs thread about his daughter?....

you started with a baseless acusation against people i mentioned.... then began calling me a liar every time i tried to answer the questions you were asking me.....then you got really creepy in a way that only perverted men do.... i am not the only one who saw all this..... ... we are not all hyper-fundies in the traditon of hyles and schaap here.... .. ... but why all the interest in what i posted?...... do you know me from a forum before this one?....... are you someone already on this forum who is playing games for your own amusement?........ .....

i don;t know which one it is... but making the accusation that i dreamed up all the things i have written about myself and my life on these forums for over 18 years is one of the most sick and disgusting things i have ever read here...... ..... ..which makes you... in my mind... sick and disgusting......
 
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I noticed that as well. Strom reincarnated?
Poor guy doesn’t look like he’s got the energy to troll about the internet.
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very good..... you know the scriptural definition of salvation.... ...did you google that?

Nope

... or is it a belief you hold in your heart?.... something you have dedicated your life to?.......

More than that, I have suffered for it.

and if it is.... then why did you come here trolling the forum as if you were something else?.....

I'm not trolling.

and why did you come directly after me the way you did when i answered a post in FSSLs thread about his daughter?....

I didn't come at you. You came at me.

you started with a baseless acusation against people i mentioned....

No I didn't. I said, your account sounded like the parties were running from some culpability of their own. And it still sounds that way.

then began calling me a liar every time i tried to answer the questions you were asking me

No, I said it sounded to me like you were making it up especially after you wigged out.

.....then you got really creepy in a way that only perverted men do....

Stahp! Go back and read. You freaked out over my avatar, reaching for anything to try to make me out some kind of predator, then launched into baseless vitriolic attacks because I dared question the story you were told. That's kinda what false accusers do.

i am not the only one who saw all this..... ... we are not all hyper-fundies in the traditon of hyles and schaap here.... .. ...

Right.

but why all the interest in what i posted?......

My only interest was that you happened to post in a thread I was reading. I made a logical observation and comment. Then you came unglued. Came unraveled. Just snapped. It was like I was interacting with Janna DeVylder.

And THAT I couldn't pass up. I admit I goaded you a little, but now, knowing of your condition, I'm watching myself a little better. But if you're easily triggered, the risks you take on internet fora are your own, and my conscience is clear.

do you know me from a forum before this one?.......

Hardly.

are you someone already on this forum who is playing games for your own amusement?........ .....

LOL. I have yet to play any games, unless it's responding in kind, and no where near the same degree, to the manner in which Ugly Joe and Boor Brigade have behaved toward me. <--and no, that's not a whine. It's just a statment of fact.
i don;t know which one it is... but making the accusation that i dreamed up all the things i have written about myself and my life on these forums for over 18 years is one of the most sick and disgusting things i have ever read here...... ..... ..which makes you... in my mind... sick and disgusting......

Let's try to be a little more accurate. The only thing I said sounded made up was the story you told about the family fleeing across state lines to escape a handsy youth pastor, and that was only after you wigged out. You gotta admit, you didn't do yourself any favors.
 
2 Chron 716 God speaking, "My eyes and my heart will be there....."
God does not have a physical body. Ekklesian , do you believe it as written?
Yes, where metaphor and simile are employed, then it is written as metaphor or simile.
Prov 22 "Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction will drive it far from him."
Is folly a physical thing in his heart? Ekk, do you believe it as written?
As written, of course. But do you think the author was writing about a physical heart?
Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it.
How many of us know cases where this did not happen?
Ekk, do you believe it as written? If so, why do people depart from it?
Well, that just goes to show you were sadly mistaken in the way those children were being trained. Instead of questioning the wisdom of Solomon, you should be questioning the trainers.

And, are the children old yet?
Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Do stars have mouths that can sing? Ekk, do you believe it as written?
As I said, where metaphor and simile are employed, it is as written understanding the metaphor and simile.

But you're conflating what is typically called literalism with poetry. That's not to say that historical narrative can't employ symbolism, but it is often in the form of simile. So the historical narrative to which I alluded does not employ symbolism. You might get away with saying the writing was relative to the frame of reference of the observer, except for that pesky moon, which we all know moves around the earth.
1 Cor 11 every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven...
Does your wife wear a head covering in church?

I don't have a wife. I have gorgeous girlfriend, though. And I spent a few days in Denver with her and her family.

My point is this, there are many reasons, analogous language, accommodation language, understanding different biblical genres, undestanding Jewish culture: these are all aspects of biblical hermeneutics. Interpreting the bible is not just "believing it as written."

And that's your mistake right there. As written also means employing the literary devices.

It is more than that. God spoke in language that accommodated to man's perspective.

That's an arbitrary presumption, and erroneous. God spoke according to truth.

From his perspective, the sun stood still, because he was standing on earth. And the theories purported by Ekk, relying entirely on unreliable science that puts the age of the universe at 13 billion years, that is suspect to me. I tend to believe the theory (Although i do believe it is a theory) that the earth is not the center of the universe, and that the sun does not rotate around the earth relatively. Gravity makes sense. Smaller bodies rotate around larger ones.

Yes, that would be true in 99% of the cases. The only place that would not be true, would be the center of mass of the universe. No one is saying the earth holds the Sun in orbit by its gravity. Assuming the earth occupies the center of mass of the universe, which Relativity says we can safely do, then the earth would be motionless, and the observations we make could be justified. It would say that the Sun and planets of our solar system would be carried around the earth by the gravity and centrifugal forces of a rotating universe.

Relativity says we can safely assume the Moon is motionless in the center of mass of the universe, and the earth and other heavenly bodies carried around it by the gravity and centrifugal forces of a rotating universe.

Either way, you get the drift.

And my citations of naturalistic, long-age, sources, are only for the facts of the Hubble's observations, the structure revealed by the Planck and Sloan surveys. John Hartnett, btw, is a Christian astrophysicist, and a young earth creationist.
 
No, by commandeering the thread like you were the moderator.
Commandeering the thread? By appealing to the rules? What B.S.

The only ones who could commandeer the thread were those who weren't supposed to be a party to it.

RANSOM: (with a sideways wink to Ugly Joe) "Obey the rules."

What moderation. I stand amazed.
 
More than that, I have suffered for it.
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you suffered for your faith?..... do tell..... that sounds like an interesting story.... tell us about it...... . were you persecuted by your fellow christadelphians for straying from their doctrine?..... .. ..did a waitress call you an obscene name after you left a religious tract instead of a tip on the table?...... .

we had a guy here once who use to berate women on the forum because our avatars made it appear we had short hair..... one day he claimed he had suffered for his faith when someone threw a rock at him as he stood outside a nightlclub wearing a sandwich board - shouting insults at the strippers that were exiting the bar to go home..... he even posted a picture of himself wearing the sandwich board....

it was a big mistake coz he was rather pudgy and bulged out on both sides of it..... i forget what the board said on it ... but i copied the picture and changed the caption anyway to something like.... "donuts!.... i need donuts!... now!..".... of course after i reposted the altered picture he replied and claimed i was making him suffer for his faith all over again...

after reading your posts whining about being expected to appear "angelic" i can believe you probably think you are suffering for your faith right here on this forum... .. but if i am wrong and there is something more then please give us the details......


 
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Stahp! Go back and read. You freaked out over my avatar, reaching for anything to try to make me out some kind of predator, then launched into baseless vitriolic attacks because I dared question the story you were told. That's kinda what false accusers do.
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wrong.... i called it a half naked pencil necked avatar.... (which it is)... . . and told you to take it and scram after you made an assumption and filthy accusation against 2 anonymous victims of rape and sexual abuse i mentioned... <--- that;s the kind of thing men who have been accused of sexual predation themselves do.....

you responded by going into total creep mode over your avatar - pretending i must have been "triggered" for fear of seeing "thighs"... then you posted a link to michelangelos david as if i would be somehow offended by that too... <------- and that;s the kind of thing men who post a half naked teenager looking avatar as bait hoping someone will comment on it do..... ......

after that you went off on the avatar issue like it was just the thing you were waiting for..... ..became totally creepy with off color and unappreciated comments of familiarity towards me... ... got rebuked for it by friends of mine here... and then went totally off falsely accusing them of backing me up only because they must of thought my avatar picture... (taken over 15 years ago)... looked cute. ... .(but they didn;t say that about it... you did) .... .

more creepy behavior you project onto innocent 3rd parties and act as if your words were their thoughts.... ... <------ and those are all the kinds of things people trolling a forum for their own amusement do....



 
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