Eph 5:19, warrant for various music styles?

Ekklesian said:
It's in the heart to the Lord, not outward and seen to the Lord. Like praying in the closet.
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Are you saying that verse is merely for private individual worship and not in any sense an admonition to a way of discourse between followers of Christ, whether individually in public or corporately in the church gathering?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Are you saying that verse is merely for private individual worship and not in any sense an admonition to a way of discourse between followers of Christ, whether individually in public or corporately in the church gathering?
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No. It has implications for those things, but the direct application is to the source of our personal merriment.
 
Ekklesian said:
No. It has implications for those things, but the direct application is to the source of our personal merriment.
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I don't think I dispute what you are getting at, but for clarification, are you saying what you believe it to mean regarding to "personal" on the basis of the word "yourselves", or some other exegetical reason?
 
ALAYMAN said:
I don't think I dispute what you are getting at, but for clarification, are you saying what you believe it to mean regarding to "personal" on the basis of the word "yourselves", or some other exegetical reason?
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The singing and making of melody is in the heart.
 
As to Witless Joe's reaction...

It's rather straightforward. ;)

Follow God and walk in genuine love, not in sexual immorality and covetousness, vs 1 - 14.

Walk in wisdom, not foolishness. vs 15 - 17.

Don't be a partier. Find your joy in the Lord. vs 18 - 20.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Not objecting to your observations, just probing for further explanation. When you say that the minimalist approach helps in congregational worship, I assume you mean that the worship experience has a larger susceptibility to an ego-driven “performance” mindset rather than a worshipful (directing praise towards God) mindset, is that correct? If so, why do you think that that is? Or are you suggesting that corporate worship should be essentially restricted to congregational, singing, not lead by “worship teams” up on a stage?
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A good "Worship Team" will facilitate congregational singing and participatory worship. I like good music with skilled instrumentalists and such and I especially enjoy playing amongst them but it can be a distraction and sometimes we just need to set the instruments aside and focus upon what we are doing, why we are doing it, and to whom is the praise and worship directed.
 
Ekklesian said:
As to Witless Joe's reaction...

It's rather straightforward. ;)

Follow God and walk in genuine love, not in sexual immorality and covetousness, vs 1 - 14.

Walk in wisdom, not foolishness. vs 15 - 17.

Don't be a partier. Find your joy in the Lord. vs 18 - 20.
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Another slam by Balaams beast! EEEEEEEEeeeeeaaaaaawwwww!
 
Baptist Renegade said:
A good "Worship Team" will facilitate congregational singing and participatory worship. I like good music with skilled instrumentalists and such and I especially enjoy playing amongst them but it can be a distraction and sometimes we just need to set the instruments aside and focus upon what we are doing, why we are doing it, and to whom is the praise and worship directed.
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Why do you think this distracted state of mind is caused by instruments? Or are you saying that those who are up on the platform are susceptible to such "performance" mentality even if they are leading acapella worship?
 
Ekklesian said:
The singing and making of melody is in the heart.
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I understand that the issue is ultimately a worshipful perspective that begins inwardly ("the heart") but are you saying that the passage is not speaking of a literal admonition by Paul to engage in communication/worship/fellowship with others via psalms/singing?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Why do you think this distracted state of mind is caused by instruments? Or are you saying that those who are up on the platform are susceptible to such "performance" mentality even if they are leading acapella worship?
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We get too hung up on musical styles and preferences to the point that it becomes a distraction. One group likes organ and piano, another group prefers all "Bluegrassy and Country" whereas another group prefers the "Hillsong" experience, and yet another wants to go an "Urban" direction (Whatever this is, I made it up).

Churches are divided over this and you often have a congregation divided up having different services for "Contemporary" and "Traditional" worship. IMO, I believe much of modern "Worship" has become IDOLATRY and has little to nothing to do with "Worshipping God!"

Perhaps going "Acapella" for a few weeks would be a good reset and set things back in order?
 
ALAYMAN said:
I understand that the issue is ultimately a worshipful perspective that begins inwardly ("the heart") but are you saying that the passage is not speaking of a literal admonition by Paul to engage in communication/worship/fellowship with others via psalms/singing?
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Yes.

It has interpersonal implications, of course, but the primary focus of Paul's admonition is one's internal dialogue.
 
My wife is on a song team on stage with our church. She's done the same in other churches. I've ran sound boards at different churches. As for me it seems to get way too technical. In our home groups that our churches have as well there's a worship time.....so much more easier to do and more simplistic. One person playing an acoustic guitar and vocals without mics. I've always found I've got into worship a lot better that way. There's also a saying among many we must show excellence in what we do, meaning strive to sound professional. Sometimes I just like to get away from all that.....just singing around a camp fire sounds good to me and even if they're not the greatest vocalist....that can be fine too.
 
Rockson said:
My wife is on a song team on stage with our church. She's done the same in other churches. I've ran sound boards at different churches. As for me it seems to get way too technical. In our home groups that our churches have as well there's a worship time.....so much more easier to do and more simplistic. One person playing an acoustic guitar and vocals without mics. I've always found I've got into worship a lot better that way. There's also a saying among many we must show excellence in what we do, meaning strive to sound professional. Sometimes I just like to get away from all that.....just singing around a camp fire sounds good to me and even if they're not the greatest vocalist....that can be fine too.
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I have to agree...but these newer generations have to have all that loud, banging junk going on!
 
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