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I accidentally stumbled on this guy’s blog, but it’s very interesting—perhaps because I can identify with some of his background and experiences in life. His name is John Ellis. He grew up in IFB land, attended Bob Jones U, worked at a fundamentalist camp in the summers, before ultimately dropping out and becoming an atheist before returning to God and becoming a pastor. I didn’t attend Bill Rice, BJU or become a pastor, but anyway, some of it resonated with me. Thought I’d share his website for any interested. (Note: I don’t actually know this guy or have any affiliation with him, I’m just sharing because I found his writings interesting.) https://practicallyknowntheology.co...fundamentalist-chapter-8-the-bill-rice-ranch/
 
Thanks for turning us on to this blog. It looks this guy is doing what I'm seeking to do. I'll be watching this and likely following some of his leads. My testimony on my blog is set up similarly to his...

 
Thanks for turning us on to this blog. It looks this guy is doing what I'm seeking to do. I'll be watching this and likely following some of his leads. My testimony on my blog is set up similarly to his...

Thanks for sharing your own as well. I like how he has his writings categorized. I’m not really sure what he’s doing these days. It appears after he was a pastor, he was most recently a writer of some sort. Maybe he’s retired or semi-retired. He’d be a great addition to our own forum.
 
I accidentally stumbled on this guy’s blog, but it’s very interesting—perhaps because I can identify with some of his background and experiences in life. His name is John Ellis. He grew up in IFB land, attended Bob Jones U, worked at a fundamentalist camp in the summers, before ultimately dropping out and becoming an atheist before returning to God and becoming a pastor. I didn’t attend Bill Rice, BJU or become a pastor, but anyway, some of it resonated with me. Thought I’d share his website for any interested. (Note: I don’t actually know this guy or have any affiliation with him, I’m just sharing because I found his writings interesting.) https://practicallyknowntheology.co...fundamentalist-chapter-8-the-bill-rice-ranch/
Which part resonates with you?
 
I don't have time this morning to read the blog, but look forward to doing so this afternoon after returning from the doctor's. I had a cardio-pulmonary episode yesterday and wasn't able to attend church, and was only briefly able to be on the internet. I'm experiencing all the joys of getting older! LOL I can say, however, that I wasn't ever a huge fan of BJU, but I really liked Bill Rice (we live only a few minutes from the Bill Rice Ranch in Murfreesboro, TN) and have a lot of respect for all he and his family have done.
 
I've been reading his "Godless Fundamentalist" testimony. It is almost uncanny how closely our paths came to crossing. I remember how I was during my time in Pensacola... I was involved with ministry to kids his age through AWANA. I've known kids who spanned the spectrum from PKs to MKs to kids of staffers, or just plain kids of working stiffs. I tried to be an example to all of them (usually with laughable results). I played the PCC game even though I wasn't a student.

I see his perspective as valuable insight into what was actually going on in the hearts of folks in general. To me, a new/immature believer, all the people around me seemed to have it all together and I was desperately hoping to link in to what I thought they had. The perspective of this guy resets some of that... folks, especially those I looked up to, were imperfect JUST LIKE I WAS!!!! Sadly, some may have even been unregenerate.
 
I find this guy's approach and layout to be very close to what I have envisioned for a blog that has been on my heart for the past year or two.
 
I don't have time this morning to read the blog, but look forward to doing so this afternoon after returning from the doctor's. I had a cardio-pulmonary episode yesterday and wasn't able to attend church, and was only briefly able to be on the internet. I'm experiencing all the joys of getting older! LOL I can say, however, that I wasn't ever a huge fan of BJU, but I really liked Bill Rice (we live only a few minutes from the Bill Rice Ranch in Murfreesboro, TN) and have a lot of respect for all he and his family have done.
I’d be very interested in hearing your thoughts since our church is considering BRR for the teens next summer.
 
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I find this guy's approach and layout to be very close to what I have envisioned for a blog that has been on my heart for the past year or two.
I don’t know the guy, but maybe he’d be open to helping steer you in the right direction for his blog layout or whatever is involved with creating his website. I didn’t look to see if he has a contact link, but I assume he does.

Update: he does. “If you would like to contact me – to ask a question, lecture me, send me money, whatever – feel free to email me at jellis419@yahoo.com
 
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So, since we are all related to the world of fundyland in some sort, this blog points to the ugliness of legalism (or at least something close to it) I think there's a narrative in that world that makes it easy to point fingers or blameshift. Let me explain. I didn't grow up in an environment like this, or anything close. I was saved as a young man, and never knew the external peer-pressures (until that time I was saved) of the idea of conformity to a (religious) group.

My desire to rebel came natural to me regardless of the moral environment (or comparatively speaking) I was reared in, and despite the relatively grace-filled surroundings of the church I was saved in. I didn't get baptized for 10 years after trusting Christ, all because of that pig-headed stubborn (translate=carnal) state I was used to indulging. I fell away from church after about a year and half. At the time of my exodus I blamed it on the fact that none of the stronger Christians properly reached out to disciple me, as well as blaming the rough circumstances of a church split. The pastor, who even though I was not very spiritual at all, and had no fundamentalist training whatsoever, I idolized somewhat because he had a picture perfect family (beautiful and dutiful wife, 4 kids, etc). Little did I know until much later that the church split occurred due the fact that the wife wanted a divorce. The pastor's marital situation was crumbling, and the house of God he served as undershepherd shattered along with it. That didn't help my growth, but maturity in Christ eventually would help me see that though in reality there was some fault to be laid at the feet of those that should have discipled me, ultimately my spiritual walk isn't anybody else's responsibility but mine own.

It wasn't until I was in my early 30s, childless and unable to naturally produce offspring on my own that I started listening/seeking for God's direction in my life. What's the point? I think all too quickly we are apt to point fingers at those boogey-men legalists, and though it's true that a church should be the place for mature men and women to come along side of those younger in the faith to help them grow, the overwhelming reason that a person resorts to sin is because they desire it more than they desire Christ, and that occurs in a host of Christian denoms and settings, many of which are rightly striving to do the work of the ministry with ample grace.
 
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I’d be very interested in hearing your thoughts since our church is considering BRR for the teens next summer.
It's been 44 years since I was there. I've only been on campus once since then. Being run by his son now, I don't know exactly what they believe. I do know that many youths go there now and that they (the BRR) say that they hold to the convictions held by the founder.
 
So, since we are all related to the world of fundyland in some sort, this blog points to the ugliness of legalism (or at least something close to it) I think there's a narrative in that world that makes it easy to point fingers or blameshift. Let me explain. I didn't grow up in an environment like this, or anything close. I was saved as a young man, and never knew the external peer-pressures (until that time I was saved) of the idea of conformity to a (religious) group.

My desire to rebel came natural to me regardless of the moral environment (or comparatively speaking) I was reared in, and despite the relatively grace-filled surroundings of the church I was saved in. I didn't get baptized for 10 years after trusting Christ, all because of that pig-headed stubborn (translate=carnal) state I was used to indulging. I fell away from church after about a year and half. At the time of my exodus I blamed it on the fact that none of the stronger Christians properly reached out to disciple me, as well as blaming the rough circumstances of a church split. The pastor, who even though I was not very spiritual at all, and had no fundamentalist training whatsoever, I idolized somewhat because he had a picture perfect family (beautiful and dutiful wife, 4 kids, etc). Little did I know until much later that the church split occurred due the fact that the wife wanted a divorce. The pastor's marital situation was crumbling, and the house of God he served as undershepherd shattered along with it. That didn't help my growth, but maturity in Christ eventually would help me see that though in reality there was some fault to be laid at the feet of those that should have discipled me, ultimately my spiritual walk isn't anybody else's responsibility but mine own.

It wasn't until I was in my early 30s, childless and unable to naturally produce offspring on my own that I started listening/seeking for God's direction in my life. What's the point? I think all too quickly we are apt to point fingers at those boogey-men legalists, and though it's true that a church should be the place for mature men and women to come along side of those younger in the faith to help them grow, the overwhelming reason that a person resorts to sin is because they desire it more than they desire Christ, and that occurs in a host of Christian denoms and settings, many of which are rightly striving to do the work of the ministry with ample grace.
Thanks for sharing. You are right about the fact that we all share a common connection with IFB. I think for those who grew up in IFB, the connection is much different than for those who freely adopted it as adults, or maybe stumbled into it as an older teenager or college kid.

I’ve only really read this guy’s post about his experience working at Bill Rice Ranch. He has a plethora of writings on a variety of subjects, so I’ll have to do a little more digging. He’s a very good writer, so I’m not surprised he used to be in that line of work. I still haven’t found much info on his life’s chapter of being a pastor. I’m curious what denomination he ended up serving with.
 
Thanks for sharing. You are right about the fact that we all share a common connection with IFB. I think for those who grew up in IFB, the connection is much different than for those who freely adopted it as adults, or maybe stumbled into it as an older teenager or college kid.

I’ve only really read this guy’s post about his experience working at Bill Rice Ranch. He has a plethora of writings on a variety of subjects, so I’ll have to do a little more digging. He’s a very good writer, so I’m not surprised he used to be in that line of work. I still haven’t found much info on his life’s chapter of being a pastor. I’m curious what denomination he ended up serving with.
Back in ye olden days of the FFF as I read accounts depicting IFB life similar to the one linked to in the blog. As I observed all the corroborating stories I started to see the bigger picture of how my church wasn’t like those with all the rules based externalism and enormous pressure to conform. It made me thankful for never having been a part of that sort of mess but it did dawn on me that the dynamic you’re talking about, where children were raised in that environment with practically no choice but to conform to all the rules and legalism, was worth feeling sorry for them. But I always salved my conscience in two ways. First, by saying they would have their opportunity to leave it behind when they came of age, that is if they were able to think enough for themselves to break out of that sort of programming. And secondly that the structured and morally safe home life they experienced, as restrictive as it was, wasn’t as bad as growing up in the dysfunctional home of a functional alcoholic.
 
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And secondly that the structured and morally safe home life they experienced, as restrictive as it was, wasn’t as bad as growing up in the dysfunctional home of a functional alcoholic.
You’re very right about this point. It took me getting into my early 30s and becoming a parent myself for me to finally appreciate the fact that a strict, restrictive upbringing was far superior to the polar opposite. My mom grew up in a household like you describe and there’s still scar tissue today. I often have wondered if many of those who were so entrenched in the 70s - 90s IFB heyday grew up in households that were very different than how they were raising their children.
 
I don’t know the guy, but maybe he’d be open to helping steer you in the right direction for his blog layout or whatever is involved with creating his website. I didn’t look to see if he has a contact link, but I assume he does.

Update: he does. “If you would like to contact me – to ask a question, lecture me, send me money, whatever – feel free to email me at jellis419@yahoo.com
Yup. I sent an email to him last night...
 
I think one big difference between my parents and me is that I don’t feel like I’m married to the IFB church. Yes, for the most part I have attended a local IFB church for the past ten or so years, but that’s simply because I feel that it provides the best environment for my family, particularly my kid. Some of the other local churches are either too small to provide any real fellowship or growth, or just plain too liberal (mega style church). Unfortunately there aren’t any decent midsized non-IFB churches near me, and trust me, I’ve done plenty of research and visiting. If there was a decent midsized SBC church, I’d probably attend, but at this point, I wouldn’t want to take my kid out of the environment she’s basically grown up in and has friends. Once she’s off to college down the road, that likely will change.

Anyway, I say all that to say my attendance at my IFB church isn’t really because I’m an IFB at heart, whereas my parents were/are.
 
I think one big difference between my parents and me is that I don’t feel like I’m married to the IFB church. Yes, for the most part I have attended a local IFB church for the past ten or so years, but that’s simply because I feel that it provides the best environment for my family, particularly my kid. Some of the other local churches are either too small to provide any real fellowship or growth, or just plain too liberal (mega style church). Unfortunately there aren’t any decent midsized non-IFB churches near me, and trust me, I’ve done plenty of research and visiting. If there was a decent midsized SBC church, I’d probably attend, but at this point, I wouldn’t want to take my kid out of the environment she’s basically grown up in and has friends. Once she’s off to college down the road, that likely will change.

Anyway, I say all that to say my attendance at my IFB church isn’t really because I’m an IFB at heart, whereas my parents were/are.

Not trying to get in your business with this question, but are you actively involved in any sort of ministry of the church you attend?
 
Not trying to get in your business with this question, but are you actively involved in any sort of ministry of the church you attend?
No, nothing other than attendance. During our ten or so years at our current church, we did leave that church for about a year or so, and I got involved in helping the youth group at the other church, but nothing at my current church.
 
No, nothing other than attendance. During our ten or so years at our current church, we did leave that church for about a year or so, and I got involved in helping the youth group at the other church, but nothing at my current church.
I know you said you are a sports guy, so a simple analogy will resonate with you here. Whenever you played sports, you wanted to feel useful, and the same idea applies to church. The more connected and part of the team you are the more fulfilling your relationship with the church usually becomes, assuming that there are not deeper spiritual issues (and I am speaking general here, not targeting you with that statement). Have they ever reached out to you in order to see where you might fit in serving?
 
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