Relatable Testimony

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I know you said you are a sports guy, so a simple analogy will resonate with you here. Whenever you played sports, you wanted to feel useful, and the same idea applies to church. The more connected and part of the team you are the more fulfilling your relationship with the church usually becomes, assuming that there are not deeper spiritual issues (and I am speaking general here, not targeting you with that statement). Have they ever reached out to you in order to see where you might fit in serving?
Great question, and I hadn’t even really thought about it before, but no, I haven’t ever had anyone ask me to help with anything. Sometimes they ask for volunteers in a general manner from the pulpit, but that’s it.

A little backstory, a few years ago I did speak with the youth pastor about volunteering my house for an occasional youth activity. We live on the water and I thought it would be nice for the kids to have a nearby venue for canoeing/kayaking/paddle boarding/etc. I thought he might jump at the opportunity to have somewhere like that available so close to church, but he basically just blew me off and never really gave much of any explanation. I got pretty upset and that’s when I left the church for about a year, but we returned because I just couldn’t stomach the liberal leanings of the mega church, even though I was very happy they had me plugged in and serving. It made me feel like I was doing something for God at least.
 
Great question, and I hadn’t even really thought about it before, but no, I haven’t ever had anyone ask me to help with anything. Sometimes they ask for volunteers in a general manner from the pulpit, but that’s it.

A little backstory, a few years ago I did speak with the youth pastor about volunteering my house for an occasional youth activity. We live on the water and I thought it would be nice for the kids to have a nearby venue for canoeing/kayaking/paddle boarding/etc. I thought he might jump at the opportunity to have somewhere like that available so close to church, but he basically just blew me off and never really gave much of any explanation. I got pretty upset and that’s when I left the church for about a year, but we returned because I just couldn’t stomach the liberal leanings of the mega church, even though I was very happy they had me plugged in and serving. It made me feel like I was doing something for God at least.

Right on bro, so if you feel your current church ain't of da debil, step forward and hold yourself out there for what you believe God would have you to do.

Another quick sports story. A co-worker/friend who had kids well before me and ALAYWIFE, and also a sports enthusiast/coach, told me when ALAYBOY started getting to sports playing age that I would need to coach him. I explained that Drew was a late-in-life kid (there's a "miracle" story there, for another day) and that fire in the belly for me had passed. I reasoned with him that I'd be one of those mellow dads sitting on the bleachers rootin' for my kid, and I'd be fine with that. It was after the first baseball practice of watching a couple of guys, who were decent fellas but misguided, throw batting practice to fourteen 7-year olds.

I'm sure you know at that age most kids ain't hitting the ball and it's hard enough to keep a 7-year old's attention regardless, but having 13 other kids stand around in the field watching junior miss pitch after pitch is an absolute recipe for making baseball (not a fast-paced game anyway) BORING! It wasn't long after that I tried subtly (because I generally am a very low-key guy about everything in life) to let them know I'd help if they needed it. They didn't need it:cool:, so I sat there in agony for a season, cringing at their lack of systematic coaching and lack of making the game fun. The next year came and I signed up to coach. I knew enough about baseball (and a few other sports) to know how to coach, but the head spots were already taken, so I assisted for that season.

Next year we had 18 kids come out for Little League (in a small community it was a good turnout). The problem in that scenario was painfully obvious from the get-go. With 18 kids on the roster and mandatory 2-inning minimum playing time for every player on the roster there were gonna be a lot of angry parents because junior wasn't getting enough playing time. I kept my mouth shut at first and served as the faithful assistant again, but eventually told those other coaches who knew me and I had a decent relationship/respect with that if they would agree to split the kids into 2 teams of nine that I'd make a go of it as one of the managers. A roster of 9 poses another different kind of hardship but I told them a plan to make it work and painfully, we split the kids fairly evenly and now instead of being a gopher (which I was fine with, so long as the conditions and circumstances warranted it as best for the kids) I was THE MAN. As soon as we split and I put that head coach hat on I knew that the organizational expectations, responsibility, and leadership aspect of the sport was different altogether, not to mention I'd be the guy that was supposed to get all phases of the game incorporated via the assistant coaches. I hadn't ever thought about that before, so I went to one of my other co-worker buddies and asked for some advice who had been there and done that (at all levels, and been pretty successful) on how to kick this thing off right. His first piece of advice was golden (and the simple point for this long, rambling sports story, lol). He said "get the parents involved". I looked at him, knowing that some parents couldn't tell the kids which hand the glove was supposed to go on, and said "you kidding"? He said "nope, they're gonna be the ones responsible for getting junior to the game, and they're the ones that with some basic instruction from you to them will make it possible to take your coaching home after practice and make junior a little bit better before the next practice. And besides that, you'll need somebody to bring drinks and snacks, run the concession stand, and offer rides to other kids on the team whose parents ain't ever gonna get involved". The dude was wise beyond years. Get them to invest, and they feel like the wins are partly theirs. That's a crude illustration, but at a spiritually deeper level, those principles can be applied to church-life.
 
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Right on bro, so if you feel your current church ain't of da debil, step forward and hold yourself out there for what you believe God would have you to do.

Another quick sports story. A co-worker/friend who had kids well before me and ALAYWIFE, and also a sports enthusiast/coach, told me when ALAYBOY started getting to sports playing age that I would need to coach him. I explained that Drew was a late-in-life kid (there's a "miracle" story there, for another day) and that fire in the belly for me had passed. I reasoned with him that I'd be one of those mellow dads sitting on the bleachers rootin' for my kid, and I'd be fine with that. It was after the first baseball practice of watching a couple of guys, who were decent fellas but misguided, throw batting practice to fourteen 7-year olds.

I'm sure you know at that age most kids ain't hitting the ball and it's hard enough to keep a 7-year old's attention regardless, but having 13 other kids stand around in the field watching junior miss pitch after pitch is an absolute recipe for making baseball (not a fast-paced game anyway) BORING! It wasn't long after that I tried subtly (because I generally am a very low-key guy about everything in life) to let them know I'd help if they needed it. They didn't need it:cool:, so I sat there in agony for a season, cringing at their lack of systematic coaching and lack of making the game fun. The next year came and I signed up to coach. I knew enough about baseball (and a few other sports) to know how to coach, but the head spots were already taken, so I assisted for that season.

Next year we had 18 kids come out for Little League (in a small community it was a good turnout). The problem in that scenario was painfully obvious from the get-go. With 18 kids on the roster and mandatory 2-inning minimum playing time for every player on the roster there were gonna be a lot of angry parents because junior wasn't getting enough playing time. I kept my mouth shut at first and served as the faithful assistant again, but eventually told those other coaches who knew me and I had a decent relationship/respect with that if they would agree to split the kids into 2 teams of nine that I'd make a go of it as one of the managers. A roster of 9 poses another different kind of hardship but I told them a plan to make it work and painfully, we split the kids fairly evenly and now instead of being a gopher (which I was fine with, so long as the conditions and circumstances warranted it as best for the kids) I was THE MAN. As soon as we split and I put that head coach hat on I knew that the organizational expectations, responsibility, and leadership aspect of the sport was different altogether, not to mention I'd be the guy that was supposed to get all phases of the game incorporated via the assistant coaches. I hadn't ever thought about that before, so I went to one of my other co-worker buddies and asked for some advice who had been there and done that (at all levels, and been pretty successful) on how to kick this thing off right. His first piece of advice was golden (and the simple point for this long, rambling sports story, lol). He said "get the parents involved". I looked at him, knowing that some parents couldn't tell the kids which hand the glove was supposed to go on, and said "you kidding"? He said "nope, they're gonna be the ones responsible for getting junior to the game, and they're the ones that with some basic instruction from you to them will make it possible to take your coaching home after practice and make junior a little bit better before the next practice. And besides that, you'll need somebody to bring drinks and snacks, run the concession stand, and offer rides to other kids on the team whose parents ain't ever gonna get involved". The dude was wise beyond years. Get them to invest, and they feel like the wins are partly theirs. That's a crude illustration, but at a spiritually deeper level, those principles can be applied to church-life.
Great story, and I think I get your point here. However, my next step needs to be getting back into Sunday school. I’ve been meaning to get into it and now two years have slipped by with good intentions and no action.
 
Great question, and I hadn’t even really thought about it before, but no, I haven’t ever had anyone ask me to help with anything. Sometimes they ask for volunteers in a general manner from the pulpit, but that’s it.

A little backstory, a few years ago I did speak with the youth pastor about volunteering my house for an occasional youth activity. We live on the water and I thought it would be nice for the kids to have a nearby venue for canoeing/kayaking/paddle boarding/etc. I thought he might jump at the opportunity to have somewhere like that available so close to church, but he basically just blew me off and never really gave much of any explanation. I got pretty upset and that’s when I left the church for about a year, but we returned because I just couldn’t stomach the liberal leanings of the mega church, even though I was very happy they had me plugged in and serving. It made me feel like I was doing something for God at least.
You'll find that many pastors/youth pastors/associate pastors, blow people off when they ask, "What can I help with in the church? Where can I be used." I know my pastor has done that with many of our members, especially if they're not in his "Clique" or not a deacon or relative. Nepotism is very high on the list in our church (the pastor's wife is our "Worship Leader") and it really is detrimental to our church. I've mentioned this to the pastor once or twice, and he's been on the offensive ever since. Many members have spoken to him about it. Sad, but, true.
 
You'll find that many pastors/youth pastors/associate pastors, blow people off when they ask, "What can I help with in the church? Where can I be used." I know my pastor has done that with many of our members, especially if they're not in his "Clique" or not a deacon or relative. Nepotism is very high on the list in our church (the pastor's wife is our "Worship Leader") and it really is detrimental to our church. I've mentioned this to the pastor once or twice, and he's been on the offensive ever since. Many members have spoken to him about it. Sad, but, true.
In addition to what you mentioned, I also had to remind myself that the youth pastor was only about 30 years old at the time. I think there’s a level of maturity he might have been lacking in how to handle the situation at the time.
 
In addition to what you mentioned, I also had to remind myself that the youth pastor was only about 30 years old at the time. I think there’s a level of maturity he might have been lacking in how to handle the situation at the time.
I'm thinking the same about our pastor. He's younger...younger than me anyhow...probably in his early to mid 40s, and this is his first church as Sr. pastor.
 
I don’t know the guy, but maybe he’d be open to helping steer you in the right direction for his blog layout or whatever is involved with creating his website. I didn’t look to see if he has a contact link, but I assume he does.

Update: he does. “If you would like to contact me – to ask a question, lecture me, send me money, whatever – feel free to email me at jellis419@yahoo.com
Mr. Ellis and I have been corresponding via Email and I am blown away by how many people both his dad, he and myself knew well at about the same time.
 
Mr. Ellis and I have been corresponding via Email and I am blown away by how many people both his dad, he and myself knew well at about the same time.
That’s awesome. Hopefully he didn’t mind me linking his blog here, but I thought it was too good not to share, and very relatable to this forum.
 
That’s awesome. Hopefully he didn’t mind me linking his blog here, but I thought it was too good not to share, and very relatable to this forum.
In more ways than you know. I'm sure he's delighted to have his blog shared wherever. I've not said much about where I found his link other than "a message board I frequent."
 
I know you said you are a sports guy, so a simple analogy will resonate with you here. Whenever you played sports, you wanted to feel useful, and the same idea applies to church. The more connected and part of the team you are the more fulfilling your relationship with the church usually becomes, assuming that there are not deeper spiritual issues (and I am speaking general here, not targeting you with that statement). Have they ever reached out to you in order to see where you might fit in serving?
Perhaps it's about Huk's seeing a need asking to be filled, instead of the church fulfilling his need?
 
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