The Israeli attack on Iran.

DrHuk&Duck said:
I won’t even bother to link secular, educational links for you on this subject, but I’ll link the one website that seems to be universally accepted on this forum to show you’re incorrect from the Christian website Got Questions: https://www.gotquestions.org/Jewish-race-religion.html

For the record, to refer to Jews as a “race” is in fact rhetoric most likely passed down to you from Hitler, particularly the common stereotype about “Jew noses.”
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I would rather believe the Bible.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
So you think Christian websites like Got Questions don’t believe the Bible? How about information on the subject from Christianity.com? (https://www.christianity.com/wiki/b...xistence-as-gods-wonderful-created-image.html)

Out of curiosity, which race were Adam and Eve? I’ll make this easier for you: race is a social construct.
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I believe Got Questions is not the final authority. The Bible is clear about some subjects that are so taboo that no one dares talk about it. I'm going to bed but I'll elaborate on it maybe tomorrow if I feel like it.
 
Baptist Renegade said:
Nope, God's elect chosen in him from the foundation of the world!

They are part of the promise God gave to Abraham that "In thee (thy seed) shall all the nations of the earth (Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia, Greece, Italy, United States, etc.) be blessed.
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Any who has faith in Christ is a child of Abraham, just as if he had been natural born, but more real.

Galatians 3:7 - Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Galatians 3:29 - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 4:28 - Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Romans 2:28 KJV - For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Romans 2:29 KJV - But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
biscuit1953 said:
I would rather believe the Bible.
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Ekklesian said:
Any who has faith in Christ is a child of Abraham, just as if he had been natural born, but more real.

Galatians 3:7 - Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Galatians 3:29 - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 4:28 - Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Romans 2:28 KJV - For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Romans 2:29 KJV - But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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biscuit1953 said:
The Bible is clear about some subjects that are so taboo that no one dares talk about it.
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I think it’s only “taboo” because you were educated in a subject many years ago and you haven’t learned anything related to it since. I’ve already provided you with two very conservative Christian resources which clearly defines race as a social construct. I’ll also provide you with a Jewish resource (https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/are-jews-a-race/) on the topic, and perhaps most importantly I’ll provide a scientific conclusion from the Human Genome Project (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/...eality-what-genetics-has-taught-us-about-race).
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I think it’s only “taboo” because you were educated in a subject many years ago and you haven’t learned anything related to it since. I’ve already provided you with two very conservative Christian resources which clearly defines race as a social construct. I’ll also provide you with a Jewish resource (https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/are-jews-a-race/) on the topic, and perhaps most importantly I’ll provide a scientific conclusion from the Human Genome Project (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/...eality-what-genetics-has-taught-us-about-race).
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Charles Darwin did not invent the concept of race other than trying to prove that man evolved from some monkey originating in Africa. That in itself is racist. The Bible says that God separated the sons of Adam (Deut 32:8) who were made of one blood and determined the boundaries of each nation.

Acts 17:26 All men are equal in God’s sight since all came from one man (blood, KJV), Adam. This teaching was a blow to the national pride of the Greeks, who believed all non-Greeks were barbarians. determined the times before appointed. God sovereignly controls the rise and fall of nations and empires (cf. Dan 2:36-45; Luke 21:24). the boundaries of their habitations. God is responsible for establishing nations as to their racial identity and their specific geographical locations (Deut 32:8) and determining the extent of their conquests (cf. Isaiah 10:12-15). John MarArthur The next verse goes on to explain that God did this for man’s own spiritual good that men might feel after Him.

Genesis chapter 10 gives us the Table of Nations and where the descendants of Noah’s three sons eventually settled around the world. God did not intend for man to bring about a One World Government because at the Tower of Babel in Genesis chapter 11 they were all one language and refused to obey the command given to Adam to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.

Race is defined in the Bible as to what stock one comes from. The Jews come from the stock of Abraham (Acts 13:26). Long before Darwin wrote his On the Origin of Species (1859) Daniel Webster defined race the way it had always been defined in history.

RACE, 1. The lineage of a family, or continued series of descendants from a parent who is called the stock. A race is the series of descendants indefinitely. Thus all mankind are called the race of Adam; the Israelites are of the race of Abraham and Jacob. Thus we speak of a race of kings, the race of Clovis or Charlemagne; a race of nobles, &c. (Webster's 1828 Dictionary)

Modern day politically correct dictionaries have morphed “race” into “nation.” When you fill out a job application and they ask what “race” a person is, they aren’t referring to where they are from!

The problem many Christians have with the Jews is they refuse to acknowledge that they have been set aside by God for a specific purpose and that God isn’t through with them yet. Ezekiel 36:19-36 explains why God would regather the Jews to their land and establish them once again to be counted among the nations of the world.

Eze 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Eze 36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
Eze 36:32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

Ezekiel explains what Paul talks about in Romans chapter 11 when God will bring about the salvation of Israel.
Isa 66:8 asks the question, "Can a nation be born in a day?" On May 14, 1948 for the first time in 2500 years Israel was once again counted among the sovereign nations of the world and there is no power in hell or on earth that will drive them out of their land again according to the word of God. Hallelujah!
 
biscuit1953 said:
Charles Darwin did not invent the concept of race other than trying to prove that man evolved from some monkey originating in Africa. That in itself is racist. The Bible says that God separated the sons of Adam (Deut 32:8) who were made of one blood and determined the boundaries of each nation.

Acts 17:26 All men are equal in God’s sight since all came from one man (blood, KJV), Adam. This teaching was a blow to the national pride of the Greeks, who believed all non-Greeks were barbarians. determined the times before appointed. God sovereignly controls the rise and fall of nations and empires (cf. Dan 2:36-45; Luke 21:24). the boundaries of their habitations. God is responsible for establishing nations as to their racial identity and their specific geographical locations (Deut 32:8) and determining the extent of their conquests (cf. Isaiah 10:12-15). John MarArthur The next verse goes on to explain that God did this for man’s own spiritual good that men might feel after Him.

Genesis chapter 10 gives us the Table of Nations and where the descendants of Noah’s three sons eventually settled around the world. God did not intend for man to bring about a One World Government because at the Tower of Babel in Genesis chapter 11 they were all one language and refused to obey the command given to Adam to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.

Race is defined in the Bible as to what stock one comes from. The Jews come from the stock of Abraham (Acts 13:26). Long before Darwin wrote his On the Origin of Species (1859) Daniel Webster defined race the way it had always been defined in history.

RACE, 1. The lineage of a family, or continued series of descendants from a parent who is called the stock. A race is the series of descendants indefinitely. Thus all mankind are called the race of Adam; the Israelites are of the race of Abraham and Jacob. Thus we speak of a race of kings, the race of Clovis or Charlemagne; a race of nobles, &c. (Webster's 1828 Dictionary)

Modern day politically correct dictionaries have morphed “race” into “nation.” When you fill out a job application and they ask what “race” a person is, they aren’t referring to where they are from!

The problem many Christians have with the Jews is they refuse to acknowledge that they have been set aside by God for a specific purpose and that God isn’t through with them yet. Ezekiel 36:19-36 explains why God would regather the Jews to their land and establish them once again to be counted among the nations of the world.

Eze 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Eze 36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
Eze 36:32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

Ezekiel explains what Paul talks about in Romans chapter 11 when God will bring about the salvation of Israel.
Isa 66:8 asks the question, "Can a nation be born in a day?" On May 14, 1948 for the first time in 2500 years Israel was once again counted among the sovereign nations of the world and there is no power in hell or on earth that will drive them out of their land again according to the word of God. Hallelujah!
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No one ever mentioned Charles Darwin in this thread. I purposely began this conversation with you using two very conservative Christian resources, which apparently you have rejected. I’m going to end this discussion with a final link on the topic from a Southern Baptist university. I think you are misunderstanding the difference between race and ethnicity, particularly from a biblical perspective. https://obu.edu/stories/blog/2020/0...eclares%2C%20“,in%20the%20image%20of%20God.It
 
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President Donald Trump’s Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi bard, testified in March that the intel community continues to assess that Iran has not resumed trying to build a nuclear weapon since the program was suspended by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in 2003.
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President Donald Trump’s Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, testified in March that the intel community continues to assess that Iran has not resumed trying to build a nuclear weapon since the program was suspended by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in 2003.​
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Testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee on March 27 to provide the Intelligence Community’s 2025 Annual Threat Assessment, Gabbard stated in no uncertain terms, the United States intelligence community “continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has not authorized the nuclear weapons program he suspended in 2003.”​
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Baptist Renegade said:
"Got Questions" is a good resource but as "biscuit eater" says, the scriptures take precedence and I would have to agree.
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You guys are free to disagree with the conclusions of race coming from educators and scientists in both the Christian and secular worlds, but that doesn’t make you correct, it just makes you look silly and stubborn.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I’ve always been taught that Judaism is considered ethno-religious, not racial.
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Both. Not every Jew is genetically pure Hebrew, obviously. The Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Jews who settled in north and eastern Europe and intermarried with the locals. The Sephardim are the same, except the Iberian peninsula (present-day Spain and Portugal). They each have Jewish genes but are not genetically identical. In fact there is some racial tension between the Ashkenazi and Sephardim over who are the more pure Jews.

And of course, Judaism is a religious identity as well, and generally there is no distinction in Jewish law between a born Jew and a convert.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
You guys are free to disagree with the conclusions of race coming from educators and scientists in both the Christian and secular worlds, but that doesn’t make you correct, it just makes you look silly and stubborn.
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Anne Fausto-Sterling is the Nancy Duke Lewis Professor Emerita of Biology and Gender Studies at Brown University. ”In fact, society’s decision to assign a sex label to humans at all is a socially constructed decision, meaning that society decided to create these labels and create them with only two categories, male and female. Biology did not come up with sex labels, humans did.” “labeling someone a man or a woman is a social decision.”

Neil deGrasse Tyson (astrophysicist). “Sex is not binary.” “Biology Is ‘Insufficient’ To Explain Gender.”

Brandon Andrew Robinson University of California Riverside Associate Professor. “Stop teaching that sex is biological and gender is social.” “Gender varies from society to society and can change over time.” "There will be no gender liberation without abolishing the institution of heterosexuality"

I could go on and on but people who believe everything scientists and professors teach “just makes you look silly and stubborn.”
 
Ransom said:
The Scriptures cannot infallibly teach about topics it does not address, such as the ethnic makeup of modern Jewry.
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In a long winded manner, this is essentially what I was trying to convey to @biscuit1953, but he’s now pivoted the topic to sex & gender studies. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Time for me to tap out.
 
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