The TWO THOUSAND YEAR Slander of God!

DrHuk&Duck said:
@Question - is that agenda going as planned?
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Whether accidentally or on purpose, Question spilled the beans as to his core theology when he asserted that God is the father of Jesus who is on turn our father. Just look a couple posts back at the quote I cited.

Now, as for his agenda in coming to this forum with his mockery and elusiveness, the jury is still out. Is he here merely to flaunt his (in his own sight) superior theology and intellect or does he possess the heart of an evangelist and wish to bring others to his version of enlightenment?

Right now my money is on the former.

BTW I will give him credit for finally coming around and fully (if not verbosely) outlining his reasoning.
 
Again, the True God stresses that He ( not They ) is the ONLY True God- the rest being no more than figments of man s Imagination.
Where is reference to the other TWO Gods of Trinitarian Lore?

Isaiah 53:11- [God, speaking about Jesus] By his knowledge shall the righteous one, my SERVANT, make many to be accounted righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities.

God is NO ONE'S servant.
 
Jeremiah was inspired by God s Breath (the Holy Spirit) to give another prophecy of the coming of Christ, while the Jews were captives in Babylon:

Jer 30:8- And it shall come to pass in that day, saith Jehovah of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds; and strangers shall no more make him their bondman;
9- but they shall serve Jehovah their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Notice that God was NOT talking about Himself- but someone in ADDITION to Himself!!
Any pretense at being a Christian is quickly proven false when denying the One who SENT him, the One Jesus Served.
 
Next comes the ancient Hebrew prophet, Ezekiel, who has a VISION of God!
Did he see three beings, or.....

Ez 1: 1- Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth [month], on the fifth of the month, as I was among the captives by the river Chebar, the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
3-the word of Jehovah came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of Jehovah was there upon him.
4-And I looked, and behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the look of glowing brass, out of the midst of the fire.
28-As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the ppearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of
the glory of Jehovah. And when I saw, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of one that spoke.
2:1- And He said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak with thee. 2-And the spirit entered into me when He spoke unto me, and set me upon my feet; and I heard Him that spoke unto me.

No God-the-Son, no God-the-Ghost .
Just ONE Grand Personage we know as Jehovah!
NOWHERE in ANY of the many visions of God is there seen ANYTHING like the 'Trinity'!
Just Jehovah, then later, after his appointment; His son.
 
In the 11th Chapter of Ezekiel, we find a very rare pre-Christian reference to the holy spirit.
Keep in mind, as you read it, that the Hebrew word used literally means wind or "breath":

Ez 11:22- Then did the cherubim lift up their wings, and the wheels were beside them; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
23- And the glory of Jehovah went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.
24- And the spirit lifted me up, and brought me in the vision by the spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me.
25- Then I spake unto them of the captivity all the things that Jehovah had showed me. -ASV

Ones belief of what the holy spirit is can easily flavor our understanding of this verse; was it the POWER of God that enabled Ezekiel to see and experience this vision-
or a God-the-Ghost?
 
Daniel, the ancient Hebrew prophet, was the next to "see God" - and also the one we know as Christ, in 2 visions long before Jesus was given the name "Jesus" -

Daniel 2:44- And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever.
Daniel 7: 9 - As I looked, thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took His seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 - A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated, and the books were opened.
13- In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
14-And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Note how the "son of man" is "coming with the clouds"- and prophesied in the Last Days.
This takes place in HEAVEN. PICTURED by the clouds.
There is no 3-Person Godhead, with one God giving another God this kingship.
The simple- yet dynamic- picture reveals the One TRUE God choosing someone to be the King of Kings.

We KNOW who that one is!
 
Thought to Ponder: Did God's Friend Abraham, Job, all the prophets, all Israel, and then the Christians worship God in complete Ignorance, since the Church Dogma of a 'Trinity' was never present?
Were Jesus' words praising his God- actually references and praises to 'Himself' and a 'Ghost'????

Matt 1:19- And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
20- But when he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord [Gods Name wasn't in Greek, at this time] appeared unto him in a dream,saying, Joseph,
thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the holy spirit.
21- And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.

Was this a Ghost-God that impregnated Mary- or the Power of the Most High, as Gabriel soon describes it to Mary?
Jesus literally means "Salvation of Jehovah" (in Hebrew).
 
Next comes the scripture long contorted & twisted to justify the X-Mas celebration.
Jesus was NOT a newborn- but had ALREADY been born.
Note that Herod has boys up to TWO YEARS OLD killed.
Also, keep in mind that traveling in those days took a LOT of time; no cars, planes, or buses!
Luke 2:4-21 tells how he WAS born, earlier, in Bethlehem (no astrologers/magi/ "wise men"), and was taken to the temple in Jerusalem eight days later.
That happened BEFORE this account in Matthew!)

Matt 2:1- Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king,behold, wise men [Magi/Astrologers- not numbered] from the east came to Jerusalem, asking,
2- Where is He Who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east at its rising and have come to worship Him.

Keep in mind that "worship" in the KJV is a word used to show the highest honor- and was always
applied to those showing honor to Kings and Princes.
Today, it is a word used only of God- in the U.S.; in England it is STILL commonly used with government officials!

God passionately CONDEMNS astrology, stating how much He detests it.
Do the details indicate to YOU that GOD is the one sending the star?
That God is a HYPOCRITE; using a STAR to lead ASTROLOGERS to Herod in Jerusalem?
To the one who wanted the child DEAD?
 
Matt 2:7- Then Herod privily called the Wise-men (Magi/Astrologers), and learned of them exactly what time the star appeared.
8- And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search out exactly concerning the young child; and when
ye have found him, bring me word, that I also may come and worship him.
9- And they, having heard the king, went their way; and lo, the star, which they saw in the east,
went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

This star doesn't lead them to the young boy Christ, until they meet with Herod!

Is this God #2 born as a child? Is The Father God #1 and the Ghost God #3 in Heaven?
Or is it (gasp!) the only BEGOTTEN son of God (not to be confused with God-the- Son of Catholic origin)?
 
abcaines said:
Whether accidentally or on purpose, Question spilled the beans as to his core theology when he asserted that God is the father of Jesus who is on turn our father. Just look a couple posts back at the quote I cited.

Now, as for his agenda in coming to this forum with his mockery and elusiveness, the jury is still out. Is he here merely to flaunt his (in his own sight) superior theology and intellect or does he possess the heart of an evangelist and wish to bring others to his version of enlightenment?

Right now my money is on the former.

BTW I will give him credit for finally coming around and fully (if not verbosely) outlining his reasoning.
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What does it mean? Do you deduce he’s a JW or something else?
 
Matt 1:22- Now all this is come to pass, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord [Jehovah] through the prophet, saying,
23- Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us. - ASV

Now we all know Trinitarians try to use this to 'prove' Jesus was God (that's the only reason I quote this);
fact is MANY Hebrew names had this, or similar meaning.
The Names were usually to cement faith in God.
For example, "Jehu" means "He is Jehovah".
And, sorry churchoids- he was not God.
They are so DESPERATE to prop up their fantasy that they imagine it in every word!
God, however. is ALWAYS with those who sincerely have 'good' hearts!
 
Matt 3:16- As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.
17- And a voice from heaven said,' This is my son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. '

To really learn, we must first pray, and ask our Maker to give us insight as we read.
AND, set aside preconceptions- to see what the scriptures say- not religion.

Again, the holy spirit- which is referred to as 'Power' by the angel Gabriel-, is seen as a glowing shape,
'LIKE' a dove; doves almost glow, shimmer in sunlight.
No human-like form as God, Christ and angels appear in vision, and as angels used to appear when on earth.
ALWAYS some form of light.
At Pentecost, ( Acts2 ) the sound of a rushing breeze is heard ('Spirit'/ Ruach, Pnema/Wind), and it appears 'like' flame.

Then the Voice.
Was God #1 ('God-the-Father') sending God #3 ('God-the-Ghost') upon God #2, who was now a man to possess 'Him'?
Many claim Jesus IS the Father. (" I and the Father are One ")
Most view them as somehow separate Persons that are ONE 'God'! Heh!
Simple fact: God speaks to His son from Heaven.
 
biscuit1953 said:
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I want to see Question do something really special. Maybe with a little elbow grease, he can break the forum record for the most posts in a thread. I think it’s the “The Worthless Thread for Specifically Increasing Post Numbers” and we are we sitting at 394 pages. But I bet Question doesn’t have the temerity to break this record. 🤔😬😉
 
Trinitarians, say Satan was tempting God Almighty! Read this carefully- and see if that makes ANY kind of sense!

Matt 4:1- Then Jesus was led by the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

[Did a Ghost-God lead the Son God?]

2- After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
3- The tempter came to him and said, 'If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.'

[ Why didn't he say "If you are God-the-Son"?]

4- Jesus answered, ' It is written: ' People do not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. '
5- Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6- 'If you are the Son of God,' he said, ' throw yourself down. For it is written: ' He will command His angels concerning you'',
and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'
7- Jesus answered him, ' It is also written: ' Do not put the Lord [Jehovah] your God to the test.'
8- Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
9- ' All this I will give you,' he said, ' if you will bow down and worship me.

[They ALREADY belonged to the Almighty, who said His son would have them.]

10- Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord [ "Jehovah" was removed again ] and serve him only.'
11- Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

Would Satan be Stupid enough to try and tempt God Almighty????
Did Jesus say ANYTHING that implied, hinted, or showed HIM to be the Almighty or part of a Trinity?
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I want to see Question do something really special. Maybe with a little elbow grease, he can break the forum record for the most posts in a thread. I think it’s the “The Worthless Thread for Specifically Increasing Post Numbers” and we are we sitting at 394 pages. But I bet Question doesn’t have the temerity to break this record. 🤔😬😉
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Why would I WANT to?
 
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