Euthanasia And Sanctity Of Life

Ekklesian said:
LOL. I DID answer the question. What is becoming evident is that you know nothing about IVF, or of the abortion/IVF debate, and you're not willing to learn.
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I have already clearly disagreed with IVF, but that’s due to the methodology. What you’re referring to is the soul. Can you clearly tell me an embryo possesses a soul? If so, then you can draw a parallel between abortion and IVF. I will say that the Catholic Church teaches that an embryo does: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/a-person-from-the-moment-of-conception
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
If you can’t answer the question, I don’t think you can equate IVF with early term abortion.
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IVF embryos (babies) and early term aborted embryos (babies) are different in what way?
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
But your argument centers around the soul, and when it comes into existence.
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No, that's NOT the center of my argument. My question was do YOU feel that a human embryo is a child.

You said yes and cited something about the chemistry of an embryo that you thought convinced you, but you didn't sound convinced to me.

So to clarify, I asked if you really believed a human embryo was a child, that it was a living soul and all, assuming that you understood that the essential part of one's being is independent of the body, and 'lives' on either redeemed or condemned.


DrHuk&Duck said:
What you’re referring to is the soul. Can you clearly tell me an embryo possesses a soul?
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I can clearly tell you that a human child possesses a soul.

So that brings us full circle. Do you feel that a human embryo is a child? It still sounds to me like you're in doubt.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
OK, but in all fairness, when does the soul begin with any viewpoint?
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That's beside the point. Murder is prohibited in the Bible going right back to Cain and Abel. The prohibition isn't predicated on the existence of the soul, but on human beings being the image-bearers of God.

Embryos are human beings. Therefore, they bear the likeness of God in some sense, and it would be a grave evil to destroy them--whether by murdering a pregnant woman, dismembering them in an abortion, or disposing of them because they are surplus to IVF requirements.

What the unborn is, determines what we may do with it. If they aren't human beings, no justification is needed for destroying them. If they are, no justification is possible.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
If you agree that an embryo has a soul. It seemed you doubted this point.
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What I doubt is the righteousness of the judgement upon true rape victims who take steps to prevent or end a pregnancy in its early days.

Ekklesian said:
It seems where justice is concerned, we may be more concerned about that which may be in its earliest stages of conception than God appears to be.
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Ransom said:
That's beside the point. Murder is prohibited in the Bible going right back to Cain and Abel. The prohibition isn't predicated on the existence of the soul, but on human beings being the image-bearers of God.

Embryos are human beings. Therefore, they bear the likeness of God in some sense, and it would be a grave evil to destroy them--whether by murdering a pregnant woman, dismembering them in an abortion, or disposing of them because they are surplus to IVF requirements.

What the unborn is, determines what we may do with it. If they aren't human beings, no justification is needed for destroying them. If they are, no justification is possible.
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Excellent! May I quote this?
 
Ekklesian said:
What I doubt is the righteousness of the judgement upon true rape victims who take steps to prevent or end a pregnancy in its early days.
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Are you suggesting babies in the womb that are products of rape may be justifiably snuffed out?
 
Ekklesian said:
It seems God is suggesting that, in the sentence upon those caught in the act of adultery. But you played dice with your childrens' lives. You're hardly in a place to judge...
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Could you try to be a little less offensive? It's as if you gain some titillating thrill by being, what was that word again, oh yeah, censorious.

God suggests that babies should be aborted? Is that seriously an argument you are proposing?
 
Ekklesian said:
Cut the BS. It's how you behave toward them that is the issue.
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You are a strange bird. I have no clue what you're talking about, and I'm not sure you know either...


 
ALAYMAN said:
Could you try to be a little less offensive? It's as if you gain some titillating thrill by being, what was that word again, oh yeah, censorious.

God suggests that babies should be aborted? Is that seriously an argument you are proposing?
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Apologies. The lofty opinions the self-righteous have of themselves often gets to me. You'll see I immediately revised my post.

Read the cited thread, and then respond after some thoughtful reflection.
 
Ekklesian said:
It seems God is suggesting that...in the sentence upon those caught in the act of adultery.
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Huh? What in the world are you talking about? A baby produced by rape can be aborted? But now you’re referring to adultery?
 
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