Are Ufos and Alien Abductions Demonic in origin?
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If the Bible is true, and the abductees' are telling the truth, they are demonic deceptions.
Please give an example of a verified alien abduction.
They seem to be more as messages placed in minds of the persons, like planted memories, not actual physical events that happened
used to be called fairy abductions, now in modern era are aliens, as its updates based upon the tech and mindset of humanity at the time
What is very interesting is reports abductions are said to cease when the party called upon name and person of Jesus , and nearly all who had those experiences were into the occult in some measure, Ouija boards, horoscopes, etc
Any documented cases regardless of what they're called? Please provide details.
The best-documented alien abduction cases, though unproven, include the Betty and Barney Hill case (1961), the Pascagoula Abduction (1973), and the Travis Walton incident (1975)
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I'd have to see good evidence that UFOs and alien abductions are real, first, before passing judgment on whether they're actually demonic.
nuff said...
Ol' Petey was a self-proclaimed "Expert" on this subject:
@JesusFan isn't saying anyone was abducted by an alien, or that there are extraterrestrials. He's saying those who really think they have have been abducted or visited or tormented by extraterrestrials are being deceived and tormented by demons. Demons are certainly real. Where's the rule that says their activities must be limited to the Exorcist style of manifestations.
Do you have to have an example of a 'verified' haunting before you would explain paranormal experiences or torments as demonic?
Unless they're all lying,
In the cases where these abductions have been halted by people calling on the name of Jesus Christ, how would you explain it?
JesusFan, you'll have to excuse our Diet Pentecostal. He really loves his comfort zone.
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Before you can conclude that a haunting was "demonic," you have to establish that there was, in fact, an objectively real haunting.
How do you distinguish a real supernatural occurrence from, say, a mistake, a dream, or a human deception? (On the last, the FFF was once graced by an "actual" ghost hunter. Let's say he wasn't too happy that we could see his videos were clearly faked.)
Or mistaken, or deceived, or part of a social panic, or...
You know why there are flying saucer sightings? Because in 1947, Kenneth Arnold reported seeing unusual aircraft that he described as "saucer-like." But he was misquoted: the newspaper mistook that description for the shape, where he was describing their manner of flying (like someone skipping a saucer across the water).
Even though what he claimed to see was actually crescent-shaped or semicircular (unusual, but more like a conventional aircraft), that misattribution led thousands to report seeing giant flying discs.
Yes, thousands and millions of people do delude themselves into seeing what isn't there.
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On November 17, 1896 someone in California reported seeing a mysterious UFO/airship, which resulted in a wave of such sightings in 1896/1897. As many as 100,000 people reported seeing the airships, which were believed to have come from Mars. Eventually, the hysteria over the airships died down, with only a few isolated sightings in later years.
Mystery airship - Wikipedia
Mystery airship illustrated in the San Francisco Call, November 22, 1896
In the case of the occult, like witchcraft or necromancy, one way to examine it would be to experiment with it. That, of course, is forbidden, but the prohibition itself is evidence of the danger.
But the testimony of those who did experiment with those things, is also evidence. People I trust have told me of their experiences.
My father told me of his experience with a Ouija board. The lensed item (I don't know what it's called) moved on its own to answer his question. It scared him and he burned it.
A late pastor of mine told of a visit paid to him and his wife by an invisible intruder. They were young and lived in a basement of the house they were building. They had just gone to bed and they both heard heavy foot falls coming down the stairs, across the floor to the foot of their bed. The foot falls stopped, and they heard the laugh of a woman they knew who had recently passed, as if she were standing right there. They were terrified, of course, and they began to claim the blood of Jesus. And, of course, they knew it wasn't her ghost.
Once I gave a lesson on Samuel's ghost, which, of course, wasn't really Samuel's ghost. A couple I knew, and whose kids I went to school with, told me of their experience seeing the ghost of their son who had died in an automobile accident. He stood at the foot of their bed and assured them he was doing okay. (With good reason, they feared his eternal state.) They believed my lesson about Samuel, that the ghost was an imposter, but asked if I thought God would sometimes send someone back to comfort those in grief.
I simply told them that I was talking about Samuel, and that God would not yield to a witch, but that God is also very merciful. They've both passed on now. So they know whether or not it was the ghost of their son that they saw. If I were to be less tactful, I would have simply answered them, I don't believe so.
My dad was alone in his experience. But I believe him. Those in the two ghost stories were not alone, and unless they were having the same dream (or nightmare) there is the mouth of two or more witnesses, describing the same event.
In the cases of the so-called alien abductions, over four million people, just in the U.S. are describing terrifying experiences, not mere sightings, with common elements. And in the book and the movie, there are those featured who ended the torments by calling upon the name of the Lord.
Testimonies are valid evidence. I believe very few ghost stories. And I tend to believe Christians, especially those who, like the author of the book, are reputable.
Don't you wish film was a thing during the Exodus?
At least someone was picking up what I was laying down... Something our resident Diet Neo-Nazi can't seem to figure out.
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The danger of witchcraft, like idolatry, is in not relying on God for provision or wisdom, but seeking or crediting some false god or supposed occult power for making the sun rise and the crops grow, or giving special insight.
Whether the false god or magical power actually exists is immaterial to the point. I don't need to believe in the existence of Odin to understand that I shouldn't worship him. Paul does credit such things to demons in some places, but he also says that an idol is nothing (1 Cor. 8:4). "Nothing" doesn't mean "a demon." Some--I dare say most--occult entities are simply not real in any sense.
That's simply anecdotal evidence and argumentum ad verecundiam. You trust them. Why should I? What can you offer in support of their stories, that we can both agree is objective evidence of their experiences?
"Of course," you say, as though we hadn't had that argument before and the identity of the ghost is settled beyond dispute. That's just an appeal to your own authority - self-assurance in the correctness of your own opinions.
When I say their ghost videos were clearly faked, I mean they consisted of someone standing off-camera making spooky voices and throwing ordinary objects like cards into view. I don't see how inept special effects are suppose to prove or disprove the Exodus, for which the word of God is itself a sufficiently reliable authority.
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Corky! I drove by his church a few weeks ago.
You question was how I would distinguish a real supernatural event from an imagined one.