We Must Not Posthumously Sanitize Charlie Kirk's Hateful Life

[ALAYMAN]

We Must Not Posthumously Sanitize Charlie Kirk's Hateful Life

I like to think that I'm reasonably well informed on cultural issues, and even a cursory sampling of mainstream media will let you know that we are in a quagmire of political polarization which leads ultimately to what happened to Charlie. That may be a slight oversimplification, but in its essence it is at least partially true.

However, what I was apparently a little bit naive about was the extent to which people have devolved into a callous inhumane and even diabolical mess, willing to justify the murder of an individual because of their own opposing ideology. The article above represents that corner of the world in the sanitized version of it, but please, take time to read the comments at the end of the article and you will see the willingness of a large segment of the lgbtq community to justify murder.

 

[abcaines]

We Must Not Posthumously Sanitize Charlie Kirk's Hateful Life

I like to think that I'm reasonably well informed on cultural issues, and even a cursory sampling of mainstream media will let you know that we are in a quagmire of political polarization which leads ultimately to what happened to Charlie. That may be a slight oversimplification, but in its essence it is at least partially true.

However, what I was apparently a little bit naive about was the extent to which people have devolved into a callous inhumane and even diabolical mess, willing to justify the murder of an individual because of their own opposing ideology. The article above represents that corner of the world in the sanitized version of it, but please, take time to read the comments at the end of the article and you will see the willingness of a large segment of the lgbtq community to justify murder.

I'll take your word for it. Nothing of this surprises me.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I'll take your word for it. Nothing of this surprises me.

I know. After the Luigi Mangione murder of the UHC CEO and the insane murderous fallout from that I should not be surprised either.

 

[Ransom]

The article above represents that corner of the world in the sanitized version of it, but please, take time to read the comments at the end of the article and you will see the willingness of a large segment of the lgbtq community to justify murder.

There's a lot of "this was horrific, but..." in that article. That but tends to nullify whatever comes before it. The article pays lip service to repudiating the kind of pathological hatred that revels in Kirk's murder. Doesn't do much to stop or discourage it.

After all, he's "hateful." Or, as we're informed elsewhere, a "fascist" or a "Nazi." What has history taught us as the appropriate response to Nazis? Travel halfway across the world to shoot 'em, of course.

 

[abcaines]

And some among us are wringing their hands over Evangelicals buying into "Christian Nationalism".

 

[ALAYMAN]

There's a lot of "this was horrific, but..." in that article. That but tends to nullify whatever comes before it. The article pays lip service to repudiating the kind of pathological hatred that revels in Kirk's murder. Doesn't do much to stop or discourage it.

After all, he's "hateful." Or, as we're informed elsewhere, a "fascist" or a "Nazi." What has history taught us as the appropriate response to Nazis? Travel halfway across the world to shoot 'em, of course.

Precisely, and you would expect such "I'm sorry if you're offended" speech by an influencer and pseudo-journalist, all dressed up and packaged for consumption by the target audience. I expected that sort of sophistry before I opened the article. It's the unvarnished bloodthirsty comments that were eye-popping for me.

 

[Ransom]

And some among us are wringing their hands over Evangelicals buying into "Christian Nationalism".

Yeah, well, now the Christian Nationalists are making posts about Christians needing to relearn how to hate.

Also the usual scapegoating, because these guys aren't particularly intelligent or creative:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966123957263938052

Gawrsh, it was them Jooooos, consarn it! Hyuk hyuk!

 

[Gringo]

Alayman,

There's two kinds of people in this world: those who think for themselves and those who follow what others say. And the majority of those who do think for themselves will stay silent rather than to invoke the wrath of the majority.

I believe that most gay people (regardless of their "immoral" orientation) are decent folks who do not revel in the death of another human being. But most do not have the fortitude to stand up against "the crowd". It doesn't take much to join in with the crowd and post yet another derogatory post against someone (Kirk) who everyone else is posting against. And so, it seems like all gay people are full of hateful venom when I believe that isn't the true case. It does seem like many are "bloodthirsty".

But I don't think I am unique. And I'm not bloodthirsty.

So, I believe there are many others who aren't either. We just don't see their comments.

While it may not seem like it, I can assure you that there are many gay people who see the evil in chemically changing children's bodies and who see the folly in allowing men in women's sports and bathrooms. There are gay people who think for themselves even if it doesn't' seem like it.

You said you were naive about "the extent to which people have devolved into a callous inhumane and even diabolical mess, willing to justify the murder of an individual because of their own opposing ideology."

In this instance, it's the gay community AND their friends.

But don't forget the many liberal people that have been murdered down through time. It's not just the left. There's evil people on both sides and followers on both sides that will applaud them.


I don't think Charlie Kirk was a "hateful" person. In fact, I think he was a good person. And I don't think his murder can ever be justified.

I also don't think it's a very responsible thing to use the word "hate" or "hateful" to describe someone who sees thing differently than another person, like the gay press does.

I understand your post and your concern about the comments at the end of the blog post that you shared. Those comments concern me too but I just have to believe that the majority of that community are not represented - just as if - vile (to me) Kathy Griffith had been murdered by a right winger and many right wingers came on a post and posted that she got what she deserved and so forth. I would hope that there would be many more right wingers who were sorry she had been murdered even if they didn't like her but didn't have the guts to stand up against their crowd and say so.

At least, I hope so. I sure hope the majority of any group does not align themselves with violence and unkindness.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Alayman,

There's two kinds of people in this world: those who think for themselves and those who follow what others say. And the majority of those who do think for themselves will stay silent rather than to invoke the wrath of the majority.

I believe that most gay people (regardless of their "immoral" orientation) are decent folks who do not revel in the death of another human being. But most do not have the fortitude to stand up against "the crowd". It doesn't take much to join in with the crowd and post yet another derogatory post against someone (Kirk) who everyone else is posting against. And so, it seems like all gay people are full of hateful venom when I believe that isn't the true case. It does seem like many are "bloodthirsty".

But I don't think I am unique. And I'm not bloodthirsty.

So, I believe there are many others who aren't either. We just don't see their comments.

While it may not seem like it, I can assure you that there are many gay people who see the evil in chemically changing children's bodies and who see the folly in allowing men in women's sports and bathrooms. There are gay people who think for themselves even if it doesn't' seem like it.

You said you were naive about "the extent to which people have devolved into a callous inhumane and even diabolical mess, willing to justify the murder of an individual because of their own opposing ideology."

In this instance, it's the gay community AND their friends.

But don't forget the many liberal people that have been murdered down through time. It's not just the left. There's evil people on both sides and followers on both sides that will applaud them.


I don't think Charlie Kirk was a "hateful" person. In fact, I think he was a good person. And I don't think his murder can ever be justified.

I also don't think it's a very responsible thing to use the word "hate" or "hateful" to describe someone who sees thing differently than another person, like the gay press does.

I understand your post and your concern about the comments at the end of the blog post that you shared. Those comments concern me too but I just have to believe that the majority of that community are not represented - just as if - vile (to me) Kathy Griffith had been murdered by a right winger and many right wingers came on a post and posted that she got what she deserved and so forth. I would hope that there would be many more right wingers who were sorry she had been murdered even if they didn't like her but didn't have the guts to stand up against their crowd and say so.

At least, I hope so. I sure hope the majority of any group does not align themselves with violence and unkindness.

Thanks for your perspective Gringo. I'm pretty sure I agree with everything you just said, about the radical left, and right. I just have a few personal/family relationships with folk that run in those circles (far left AND right) where it seems it's fashionable to sanitize that sort of rhetoric as justifiable because "we're at war" (with the other side, whichever side that may happen to be). Several of them are highly intelligent, not unsophisticated, and it's hard for me to comprehend how they got to this dark place of rationalizing such immoral thinking about killing people for ideology.

Combine that bewildered feeling I have with the growing disconnect I feel with this youth culture that seems to be unable to relate to humanity because they immerse themselves in a digital world (and quite a few spree killers identified with) that is so cold, dystopian, and sterile. I hope I'm wrong, and don't want to be overly cynical, but this callousness seems to be so pervasive that it's overwhelming. That's a little bit melodramatic, but my concern is real and not quite like anything I've ever experienced before.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

I understand your post and your concern about the comments at the end of the blog post that you shared. Those comments concern me too but I just have to believe that the majority of that community are not represented - just as if - vile (to me) Kathy Griffith had been murdered by a right winger and many right wingers came on a post and posted that she got what she deserved and so forth. I would hope that there would be many more right wingers who were sorry she had been murdered even if they didn't like her but didn't have the guts to stand up against their crowd and say so.

At least, I hope so. I sure hope the majority of any group does not align themselves with violence and unkindness.

I’ve had some of these same thoughts. As we said a public prayer in my church today for this YouTuber who most Americans over 40 years old seem to know very little (if anything) about, the thought crossed my mind and I wondered if we’d be doing the same thing if Rosie O’Donnell had been killed by a radical right wing guy. Methinks probably not.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I’ve had some of these same thoughts. As we said a public prayer in my church today for this YouTuber who most Americans over 40 years old seem to know very little (if anything) about, the thought crossed my mind and I wondered if we’d be doing the same thing if Rosie O’Donnell had been killed by a radical right wing guy. Methinks probably not.

No, I wouldn't cheer for the assassination of ANYBODY (other than actual terrorists, like Bin Laden). I just had this conversation with a centrist democrat (old-school liberal farmboy) co-worker. Do you remember Fred Phelps, of the (in)famous "God Hates Fags" notoriety? He's dead and his family cult (Baptists ironically) is essentially forgotten now, but while he was alive he would do awful things like organize protests at the funerals of gays (like Mathew Sheppard). I said it then, and I'll repeat it now, he was a disgusting individual and brought shame to the name of Christ with his reprehensible speech and behavior. He didn't actively participate in these poor people's deaths, but he reveled in the misery of their families in a time that should have been reserved for mourning and pity.

 

[abcaines]

Do you remember Fred Phelps, of the (in)famous "God Hates Fags" notoriety? He's dead and his family cult (Baptists ironically) is essentially forgotten now, but while he was alive he would do awful things like organize protests at the funerals of gays (like Mathew Sheppard). I said it then, and I'll repeat it now, he was a disgusting individual and brought shame to the name of Christ with his reprehensible speech and behavior. He didn't actively participate in these poor people's deaths, but he reveled in the misery of their families in a time that should have been reserved for mourning and pity.

I'm pretty sure if he had been assassinated, his movement would have picked up steam, at least in the short run.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

No, I wouldn't cheer for the assassination of ANYBODY (other than actual terrorists, like Bin Laden). I just had this conversation with a centrist democrat (old-school liberal farmboy) co-worker. Do you remember Fred Phelps, of the (in)famous "God Hates Fags" notoriety? He's dead and his family cult (Baptists ironically) is essentially forgotten now, but while he was alive he would do awful things like organize protests at the funerals of gays (like Mathew Sheppard). I said it then, and I'll repeat it now, he was a disgusting individual and brought shame to the name of Christ with his reprehensible speech and behavior. He didn't actively participate in these poor people's deaths, but he reveled in the misery of their families in a time that should have been reserved for mourning and pity.

Phelps is an outlier, but I’m speaking more specifically about the average hardcore conservative who mutters “she probably deserved it” and really isn’t all that upset about a ranting liberal who gets the same treatment. I think that’s also more of what @Gringo is referring.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Phelps is an outlier, but I’m speaking more specifically about the average hardcore conservative who mutters “she probably deserved it” and really isn’t all that upset about a ranting liberal who gets the same treatment. I think that’s also more of what @Gringo is referring.

I guess it depends on how you define "hardcore conservative", because I personally know quite a few of those, at least the way I define "hardcore conservative" and I could never imagine any of those people saying anything like that about a typical radical progressive/lefty being assassinated.

 

[Ransom]

Do you remember Fred Phelps, of the (in)famous "God Hates Fags" notoriety? He's dead and his family cult (Baptists ironically) is essentially forgotten now, but while he was alive he would do awful things like organize protests at the funerals of gays (like Mathew Sheppard).

Apparently there are leftists planning to protest Kirk's funeral tomorrow, just as they've been disrupting vigils and memorials all week.

No surprise, really. Nature abhors a vacuum, and with Phelps assuming hell temperature, the left has filled that vacuum. Well, Phelps was a Democrat, so it makes sense.

Maybe they'll go right back to their roots, and wear their pointy hats and burn a cross.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Apparently there are leftists planning to protest Kirk's funeral tomorrow, just as they've been disrupting vigils and memorials all week.

No surprise, really. Nature abhors a vacuum, and with Phelps assuming hell temperature, the left has filled that vacuum. Well, Phelps was a Democrat, so it makes sense.

Maybe they'll go right back to their roots, and wear their pointy hats and burn a cross.

Well, maybe they'll be like Saul, on their way to persecute the brethren and instead be converted. Per Turning Point folk...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1969235001129464181

 

[Ransom]

Well, maybe they'll be like Saul, on their way to persecute the brethren and instead be converted. Per Turning Point folk...

We can hope; nothing's impossible for God. But they had him to listen to while he was alive, too.

 

[Ekklesian]

I’m speaking more specifically about the average hardcore conservative who mutters “she probably deserved it” and really isn’t all that upset about a ranting liberal who gets the same treatment.

It's not the same for people on the righteous side of an issue. Neither should it be.

Pro 11:10
When it goeth well with the righteous, the city rejoiceth: and when the wicked perish, there is shouting.

 

[ALAYMAN]

We can hope; nothing's impossible for God. But they had him to listen to while he was alive, too.

True. But just as God did great things through Paul, and Charlie Kirk, He can use us too.

"The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church"

 

[AverageJoe]

We Must Not Posthumously Sanitize Charlie Kirk's Hateful Life

I like to think that I'm reasonably well informed on cultural issues, and even a cursory sampling of mainstream media will let you know that we are in a quagmire of political polarization which leads ultimately to what happened to Charlie. That may be a slight oversimplification, but in its essence it is at least partially true.

However, what I was apparently a little bit naive about was the extent to which people have devolved into a callous inhumane and even diabolical mess, willing to justify the murder of an individual because of their own opposing ideology. The article above represents that corner of the world in the sanitized version of it, but please, take time to read the comments at the end of the article and you will see the willingness of a large segment of the lgbtq community to justify murder.

I heard NOTHING hateful towards anyone in the clips given. GOD was the one who gave those commands. So, we, as Christians, when we tell these people that they are an abomination and are in a lifestyle that he calls such, we become the "bad guy?" These things were written to the Hebrew children, not the Gentiles, though they are easily applied to them as well, and justly so, as God sees no difference. Still, we know that God is not only a "just" God, but, a loving God as well. There are MANY things that God calls an abomination. But, God is also a loving, kind, and saving God, and will accept a person that comes in true repentance to himself. Those in these sins choose NOT to accept God and his law...that's on them, not God. We should still love them and continue to give them the Gospel as God may claim their souls for himself ....Okay..enough for my rant. The "right" seldom, if ever, go out on a killing spree just because they disagree with the left's words.....