Daniel's 70th Week and President Trump's Peace Plan

[biscuit1953]

I have studied prophecy for a long time and I have seen predictions come and go but the peace plan President Trump is proposing in the Middle East fits right in with the book of Daniel and Revelation. I don't claim to understand everything concerning the Tribulation period the Bible warns about but I do know in the last days before the return of Christ there will be a peace treaty between the Antichrist and "many" nations centered around Israel (Daniel 9:24-27). I don't find anything in this video that is unscriptural from my study.

 

[Ransom]

Daniel's 70th week was around 70 weeks after Daniel.

 

[biscuit1953]

Daniel's 70th week was around 70 weeks after Daniel.

The Book of Daniel is a prophecy concerning Israel in the “latter days” not 70 weeks after Daniel (cf. Dan 2:28; 10:14). Weeks of days are described differently.

Dan 10:2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
Dan 10:3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

I don’t agree with everything Got Questions says but their article on the 70th week of Daniel satisfies a lot of details that fit in with number of years up to the first coming of Christ and once again Daniel is talking about the “latter days” of Israel. The main thing is we all need to be ready for the Second Coming of Christ and make our calling and election sure because Jesus is coming again.

What are the seventy weeks of Daniel? | GotQuestions.org

What are the seventy (70) weeks of Daniel? Do the seventy weeks represent 490 years in God’s program? How are the seventy weeks divided?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[biscuit1953]

Their video about America in Bible prophecy and the Tribulation period also fits like a glove as described in the scriptures.

 

[Ransom]

The Book of Daniel is a prophecy concerning Israel in the “latter days” not 70 weeks after Daniel (cf. Dan 2:28; 10:14). Weeks of days are described differently.

I said nothing about "weeks of days." As usual, you make (false) assumptions and go off half-cocked. My point stands.

 

[Ransom]

Their video about America in Bible prophecy and the Tribulation period also fits like a glove as described in the scriptures.

"In 2000 years of recorded prophecy, one particular nation is missing."



That nation, and about 99% of all nations that have existed since the close of the canon. Talk about a parochial and hubristic assertion. All I needed to know.

Just maybe, the United States isn't that important in the grand biblical picture of things.

 

[biscuit1953]

"In 2000 years of recorded prophecy, one particular nation is missing."



That nation, and about 99% of all nations that have existed since the close of the canon. Talk about a parochial and hubristic assertion. All I needed to know.

Just maybe, the United States isn't that important in the grand biblical picture of things.

I know we won't agree but how can we agree when you believe Christ came back in 70 A.D. I apologize if I'm wrong about that but that is what I have been told by multiple Reformed Christians.

 

[Ransom]

I know we won't agree but how can we agree when you believe Christ came back in 70 A.D.

I have never said anything of the kind, as you well know. Quit lying.

I apologize if I'm wrong about that

Since your approach is to presume first, falsely, and apologize in advance second (because you already know you're wrong), I don't accept your apology, which is far from sincere.

 

[biscuit1953]

I have never said anything of the kind, as you well know. Quit lying.

So you don't believe what I've been told by other Reformed Christians? I said if I was wrong about you believing that I apologized.

 

[Ransom]

So you don't believe what I've been told by other Reformed Christians?

I already answered that question. Don't play ignorant.

 

[illinoisguy]

The 70 weeks were fulfilled by the time of Christ's first advent. There is no gap between the 69th and 70th week, any more than there is between the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks. To add a gap, and to stretch the 70 weeks (490 years) into a period of 2500 years is a non-literal interpretation of prophecy, and it is adding to the Word of God, which is forbidden.

In Daniel 9:27 Christ confirmed the covenant with believers during the 70th week, but in the middle of that week (after 3 1/2 years of ministry) He made the sacrifices to cease, by His atoning death (Matthew 27:51, the veil was torn in two). There is absolutely nothing here about the Antichrist making a peace treaty with Israel and then breaking the treaty or covenant. Daniel 9:26 predicts that the people of the prince that shall come (the General Titus) will destroy the city and the temple - this was fulfilled in 70 AD.

Daniel 8:25 refers to Antiochus Epiphanes, not a future Antichrist. This prophecy was fulfilled in 165 BC.

This video is standard dispenSENsationalist scare talk about how any effort to bring about peace in the Middle East is doing the work of the Antichrist. There is nothing scriptural about it.

 

[biscuit1953]

The 70 weeks were fulfilled by the time of Christ's first advent. There is no gap between the 69th and 70th week, any more than there is between the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks. To add a gap, and to stretch the 70 weeks (490 years) into a period of 2500 years is a non-literal interpretation of prophecy, and it is adding to the Word of God, which is forbidden.

In Daniel 9:27 Christ confirmed the covenant with believers during the 70th week, but in the middle of that week (after 3 1/2 years of ministry) He made the sacrifices to cease, by His atoning death (Matthew 27:51, the veil was torn in two). There is absolutely nothing here about the Antichrist making a peace treaty with Israel and then breaking the treaty or covenant. Daniel 9:26 predicts that the people of the prince that shall come (the General Titus) will destroy the city and the temple - this was fulfilled in 70 AD.

Daniel 8:25 refers to Antiochus Epiphanes, not a future Antichrist. This prophecy was fulfilled in 165 BC.

This video is standard dispenSENsationalist scare talk about how any effort to bring about peace in the Middle East is doing the work of the Antichrist. There is nothing scriptural about it.

In Matthew 24 Jesus is definitely talking about the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D. but goes much further than that. He describes events that take place in the Book of Revelation which are yet future. A few points about what Jesus said.

1. The gospel of the kingdom shall be preached “unto all nations” then shall the end come. Jesus commanded us to preach the gospel to every nation just before He ascended (Matt 28:19-20). This didn’t happen in 70 A.D.

2. The “abomination of desolation” (Matt 24:15) is a future event Jesus is talking about, not referring to Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C. The apostle Paul describes a still future event where the Antichrist sets up an image in the Temple to desecrate it (2 Thess 2:1-4). John also describes a future Temple in the Book of Revelation.

3. Jesus described the “great tribulation such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be” (Matt 24:21). Just the 20th century alone was many times worse in death and destruction than what happened to Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

4. Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. The ultimate fulfillment of this takes place during the time of the reign of the beast (Rev 6:12-13; 8:12).

5. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (Matt 24:30). These things did not take place in 70 A.D.

Do you recognize the Book of Revelation as prophecy?

 

[illinoisguy]

The gospel of the kingdom shall be preached “unto all nations” then shall the end come. Jesus commanded us to preach the gospel to every nation just before He ascended (Matt 28:19-20). This didn’t happen in 70 A.D.

I'm not sure what this point has to do with a video that suggests, with no scriptural basis, that Trump's peace plan will somehow start a countdown to the Rapture, but if you want to talk about it, okay, let's talk about it.

Acts 2:5 says the Gospel was preached to those "dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."

"Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world." - Romans 1:8

The gospel had been "made manifest" and "made known to all nations for the obedience of faith." - Romans 16:26

"Ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; which is come unto you, as it is in all the world. . . . the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven." - Colossians 1:5-6, 23.

"Unless we take [Matthew 24:14] clear out of its setting, 'the end' in view here is the end or destruction of Jerusalem. . . . Jerusalem would be destroyed, but 'first' the gospel would be preached unto all nations. . . . In a very real sense the gospel did go to all nations before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD!" - Evangelist Ralph Woodrow, "Great Prophecies of the Bible."

With regard to the prophecy in Matthew 24:29 that "the stars will fall from heaven," you say this will be fulfilled in Revelation 6 and 8. If even one star fell from heaven and hit the earth, then the earth would be totally destroyed, meaning that none of the earthly events in Revelation 9 through 20 could take place (no second half of the Tribulation, and no Millennium). For this reason, dispensationalist prophecy teachers do not take the star-struck prophecy of Revelation 6:13 literally - they say it will be just a meteor shower. Yes, I recognize the Book of Revelation as prophecy, but no one anywhere takes all the symbolism in that book literally. We have previously discussed that issue in this forum.

 

[biscuit1953]

We will eventually find out who is right.

 

[Ransom]

We will eventually find out who is right.

We can already eliminate the Dispensationalists from the running.

 

[ALAYMAN]

We can already eliminate the Dispensationalists from the running.

Really? Why do you say that?

 

[Ransom]

Really? Why do you say that?

False premises. The radical church-Israel distinction, which is the defining doctrine of Dispensationalism, is untenable. Their insistence that the church age is a parenthesis in the prophetic plan is similarly untenable, when you read (even superficially) the way the Old Testament is applied in the New. There's no parenthesis; the prophets find their ultimate fulfillment in Christ and his people, and if the Jews had read their own scriptures, they would have known including the Gentiles in redemption was God's plan from the start.

But the reason Dispensationalists must posit an indeterminate gap of time between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks is specifically to prop up those assumptions. Take away the Dispensational presuppositions, and the gap goes poof.

 

[Ekklesian]

False premises. The radical church-Israel distinction, which is the defining doctrine of Dispensationalism, is untenable. Their insistence that the church age is a parenthesis in the prophetic plan is similarly untenable, when you read (even superficially) the way the Old Testament is applied in the New. There's no parenthesis; the prophets find their ultimate fulfillment in Christ and his people, and if the Jews had read their own scriptures, they would have known including the Gentiles in redemption was God's plan from the start.

But the reason Dispensationalists must posit an indeterminate gap of time between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks is specifically to prop up those assumptions. Take away the Dispensational presuppositions, and the gap goes poof.

Sinai was the parenthetical phase.

 

[biscuit1953]

False premises. The radical church-Israel distinction, which is the defining doctrine of Dispensationalism, is untenable. Their insistence that the church age is a parenthesis in the prophetic plan is similarly untenable, when you read (even superficially) the way the Old Testament is applied in the New. There's no parenthesis; the prophets find their ultimate fulfillment in Christ and his people, and if the Jews had read their own scriptures, they would have known including the Gentiles in redemption was God's plan from the start.

But the reason Dispensationalists must posit an indeterminate gap of time between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks is specifically to prop up those assumptions. Take away the Dispensational presuppositions, and the gap goes poof.

The radical church-Israel distinction and the idea that God is not through with the nation of Israel is something that has been acknowledged by many Reformed theologians and denying the miraculous regathering of the Jews in modern day Israel is like a man covering his eyes and ears with a pillow singing nah, nah, nah, I can’t hear you! The abomination of desolation (Matt 24:15) is a future event according to Jesus. The “great tribulation such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be” (Matt 24:21) is still future. The fact that Jesus will reign for 1,000 years upon the earth (Rev 20) is just as literal as the lake of fire in the same context of that and the idea you can poof all these things away in your own mind is just as untenable as some of the things Calvin taught. I humbly acknowledge I don’t have all the answers to every detail of Bible prophecy and neither do you.

 

[biscuit1953]

The whole world has turned against Israel. The United Nations with one voice show support for radical Hamas that controls Palestine and just as Zechariah predicted, the world is moving according to the sovereign will of God.

Zech 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zech 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zech 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

This is where Daniel 9:27 comes into play. There will be a peace covenant among many nations that will be confirmed for seven years and men will cry out, “Peace, peace when there is no peace” (Eze 13:16). When the apostle Paul warned about the coming of the Lord as a thief in the night which is a future event, he said, “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape” (1 Thess 5:3).

It will eventually end with blinded Israel finally acknowledging their Messiah whom they (the Jews) crucified with wicked hands (Acts 2:23), “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him” (Rev 1:7). Just as the prophet Zechariah prophesied, “and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn” (Zech 12:10).

I don’t believe Donald Trump is necessarily the Antichrist, but God will use men according to His sovereign will the way He wants to.