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Doug Wilson is a "Post Toastie" with Theonomic leanings and I guess the Presbyterians got their start as the "State Church" of Scotland so this is where some of the Reformed folk get their thinking from and that is why I am a nonconformist BAPTIST who simply wants a FREE Church (Independent of the government)!

This is probably a discussion that Christians should be sitting down and having with public visibility so at least SOME of the radical lefty loonies may understand that not all "Christians" want to "Take Over" the government and make you attend a Bill Gothard seminar! :cool:
 
Baptist Renegade said:
This is probably a discussion that Christians should be sitting down and having with public visibility so at least SOME of the radical lefty loonies may understand that not all "Christians" want to "Take Over" the government and make you attend a Bill Gothard seminar! :cool:
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Nah. Facts have no place amongst lefties.... Only a handful of followers is enough for them to declare Wilson is mainstream... I mean it's happening right here in this thread.
 
Ekklesian said:
Which is another example of the church telling government how it should behave.
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It's Scripture telling government how it should behave: "I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people—for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness" (1 Tim. 2:1-2).
 
Ransom said:
It's Scripture telling government how it should behave: "I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people—for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness" (1 Tim. 2:1-2).
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Correct, through the mouth of God's servants.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Who says Christian Nationalism doesn't exist, and do you believe it to be a movement that is something other than fringe? If so, please elaborate with some credible academic/sociological links. I truly am more than a little interested.
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Sub???
 
abcaines said:
Nah. Facts have no place amongst lefties.... Only a handful of followers is enough for them to declare Wilson is mainstream... I mean it's happening right here in this thread.
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Where? By who?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Sub???
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I brought it up months ago wondering what the thought was here. It was a new term and I thought I would find out more about it. The primary response was pretty much like this thread. A bunch pooh poohing the idea. When I pointed out that there are a lot of people using the term it would seem to have some meaning. Soon, like every other subject I discuss here it was flipped 180 and I was accused (still am) of calling y'all Christian Nationalists. So I finally stumbled onto this guy. Shared the post. Pretty much predictable after that.

BTW I have no more sense that the position has a broad base of support than I did before. The media is enjoying the current situation because Secretary Hegseth is all on board and it gives validity to their narrative.

So to sum up, I haven't said anyone here is CN (I really don't care). I merely posted a link about the subject and said hey, look they do exist.
 
subllibrm said:
...there are a lot of people using the term ...
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This is precisely why I said I was more than a little interested in the subject.

Yes, there are a lot of people throwing the term around, but it has been my experience that most don't know what it means because they don't know what a Christian actually is, and conflate cultural Christians with born again ones. And the vast majority of online publications that speak about the subject are the typical lefties.

I do believe the species exists, as Doug Wilson and crew epitomizes. I just don't think the lefties who mostly use the term have any real understanding of the term, and find anybody who is conservative in their politics and a self-proclaimed Christian to be a CN. In other words it's just a handy pejorative. The term is nearing meaningless, similarly to " Evangelical" and "fundamentalist".
 
Ransom said:
Yeah, but he and R. C. Sproul disagreed about the meaning of Matthew 20, though they remained close friends.
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And MacArthur was a cessationist. Piper is not, and he spoke at MacArthur's fueral. They were close friends.
 
ALAYMAN said:
I do believe the species exists, as Doug Wilson and crew epitomizes. I just don't think the lefties who mostly use the term have any real understanding of the term, and find anybody who is conservative in their politics and a self-proclaimed Christian to be a CN. In other words it's just a handy pejorative. The term is nearing meaningless, similarly to " Evangelical" and "fundamentalist".
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I was explaining to a friend that I am a fundamentalist more than I am an evangelical. But that's for another day.

The CN phenomenon is concerning to me on its own but also for the points that you made above. We shouldn't be put in a position where we are expected to explain or answer for that world view.

The CN phenomenon actually makes a great object lesson regarding my concerns about the church in the current culture. It was the decision by Jerry Falwell and the moral majority movement that kicked off the intermingled religion of christo-republicanism of which the CN movement is a wholly predictable outcome. I caught on to the problem in the mid eighties when I saw the GOP completely ignoring the pro life issue once the elections were over. Cal Thomas has been speaking out against this "marriage" since the late 1990's. My position is neither new nor unique.

I get roasted here about purity. Since we are told to be holy, blameless, unspotted and more, I will take those barbs as evidence that I am on the right trail. The fact that Christians will separate from each other over every little doctrinal issue or opinions on personal conduct yet align over political talking points is not cause for optimism in my mind. Purity and biblical mindfulness are both missing. Mrs. Clinton was rightfully rebuked for demonizing half the population. Yet somehow believers find it perfectly acceptable to demonize the other half of the population. The message to the world is that the church doesn't have any care or concern for their political enemies. Brethren this should not be so.

Blessings
 
subllibrm said:
I was explaining to a friend that I am a fundamentalist more than I am an evangelical. But that's for another day.

The CN phenomenon is concerning to me on its own but also for the points that you made above. We shouldn't be put in a position where we are expected to explain or answer for that world view.

The CN phenomenon actually makes a great object lesson regarding my concerns about the church in the current culture. It was the decision by Jerry Falwell and the moral majority movement that kicked off the intermingled religion of christo-republicanism of which the CN movement is a wholly predictable outcome. I caught on to the problem in the mid eighties when I saw the GOP completely ignoring the pro life issue once the elections were over. Cal Thomas has been speaking out against this "marriage" since the late 1990's. My position is neither new nor unique.

I get roasted here about purity. Since we are told to be holy, blameless, unspotted and more, I will take those barbs as evidence that I am on the right trail. The fact that Christians will separate from each other over every little doctrinal issue or opinions on personal conduct yet align over political talking points is not cause for optimism in my mind. Purity and biblical mindfulness are both missing. Mrs. Clinton was rightfully rebuked for demonizing half the population. Yet somehow believers find it perfectly acceptable to demonize the other half of the population. The message to the world is that the church doesn't have any care or concern for their political enemies. Brethren this should not be so.

Blessings
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I can agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't sell our birthright for a bowl of pottage, ie, making our primary aim in this life one of political/external/legal change. But I also don't think that the two propositions (gospel living/preaching and civic engagement) are mutually exclusive. If done with proper proportion, I don't think that a Christian should abrogate their God-given responsibilities to operate in the sphere of civic life that they've been privileged to find themselves to be operating in. That onus, properly hashed out, deals with the role of civil government to restrain evil evil (Rom 13), so promoting justice and protecting innocent is not at odds with the message of the gospel. Just my 0.02
 
ALAYMAN said:
I can agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't sell our birthright for a bowl of pottage, ie, making our primary aim in this life one of political/external/legal change. But I also don't think that the two propositions (gospel living/preaching and civic engagement) are mutually exclusive. If done with proper proportion, I don't think that a Christian should abrogate their God-given responsibilities to operate in the sphere of civic life that they've been privileged to find themselves to be operating in. That onus, properly hashed out, deals with the role of civil government to restrain evil evil (Rom 13), so promoting justice and protecting innocent is not at odds with the message of the gospel. Just my 0.02
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I have no argument with any of what you wrote here. I am of the opinion that what you describe is in minority view of how most Christians see and interact with the world they are supposed to be reaching with the gospel. Compare your post with the ugly rhetoric that regularly comes out of the mouths (or keyboards) of professing Christians.
 
subllibrm said:
I have no argument with any of what you wrote here. I am of the opinion that what you describe is in minority view of how most Christians see and interact with the world they are supposed to be reaching with the gospel. Compare your post with the ugly rhetoric that regularly comes out of the mouths (or keyboards) of professing Christians.
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I have a FB friend (that I just referenced here not long ago) that is a progressive liberal antifa-loving card-carrying member of the TDS society. I just had this conversation with him recently (but in regards to their camp). I asked him to look in the mirror and tell me how his message of calling conservatives "fascists" and "nazis" was helpful. He dodged the question. Having said that, I agree with you that the high bar that is set for Christians is that we should rise above the muck and mire, and only speak the truth in love. Far too many keyboard warriors (secular AND "religious") just want to demonize and dehumanize/villify, not understand nor reason charitably with those they disagree with.
 
ALAYMAN said:
I have a FB friend (that I just referenced here not long ago) that is a progressive liberal antifa-loving card-carrying member of the TDS society. I just had this conversation with him recently (but in regards to their camp). I asked him to look in the mirror and tell me how his message of calling conservatives "fascists" and "nazis" was helpful. He dodged the question. Having said that, I agree with you that the high bar that is set for Christians is that we should rise above the muck and mire, and only speak the truth in love. Far too many keyboard warriors (secular AND "religious") just want to demonize and dehumanize/villify, not understand nor reason charitably with those they disagree with.
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I regularly point out the ugly to both "sides" and have received plenty of criticism from both.
 
abcaines said:
Nah. Facts have no place amongst lefties.... Only a handful of followers is enough for them to declare Wilson is mainstream... I mean it's happening right here in this thread.
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Not talking about dialogue with the radical lefties who hate God and have rejected the gospel. You will not get anywhere with them and I would not waste my time.

I am talking about "high-visibility" Church leaders sitting down and having this discussion amongst themselves.
 
subllibrm said:
I regularly point out the ugly to both "sides" and have received plenty of criticism from both.
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Yes! You are the epitome of morality, justice and above all “fairness”…moral equivalence.
Hallelujah!
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Yes! You are the epitome of morality, justice and above all “fairness”…moral equivalence.
Hallelujah!
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Ugly on the left and ugly on the right are only equivalent in their immorality.
 
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