Is President Trump America first or America only?

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Tens of thousands of Christians are being slaughtered in Nigeria. If anyone on this forum were President, would you step in to help these people or would you turn a blind eye? Is there a difference between being entangled in endless foreign wars and temporarily stopping a true genocide taking place before our eyes? According the media, this has been a peaceful genocide of Christians.


 
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This means that your post is really about defending Israel's™ actions.

First, no Zionist is America First, obviously.

Second, a cursory internet search doesn't support your assertion that the media is presenting this as a "peaceful genocide" (whatever you mean by that) against Christians. According to reports, most Boko Haram victims have been Muslims.


Nigeria, which has 200 ethnic groups practicing Christianity, Islam and traditional religions, has a long history of peaceful coexistence, but it has also seen flare-ups of violence among groups, often exacerbated by ethnic divisions or conflict over scarce resources.
The extremist Islamist armed group Boko Haram has also terrorized northeast Nigeria, an insurgency that has killed tens of thousands of people over the past 15 years. Human rights experts have said most Boko Haram victims have been Muslims.

That could be because Boko Haram is an extremist militant sect who see themselves as some of the only true Muslims.

...but for Boko Haram the phrase has special resonance: they consider themselves some of the only genuine representatives of Sunni Islam... and they reject several aspects of mainstream Sunni identity, such as adherence to recognized legal schools.
Like other Salafi-jihadis, Boko Haram asserts the right to declare Muslim leaders apostates, rebel against allegedly infidel states, and use force to impose the Salafi creed and a strict interpretation of Islamic law on civilians. Source
That being said, Christians do suffer in Nigeria.

Nigeria is almost evenly divided between Muslims, who dominate in the north, and Christians, who dominate in the south. There are more than 80 million professing Christians in Africa’s most populous nation, the fruit of both pioneer mission work and freed slaves who returned to the continent from Europe with the gospel following the 1833 abolition of slavery in England. Foreign missionary activity in the north has declined significantly since 2008 as a result of the emergence of the Islamic militant group Boko Haram. Based in the north, Boko Haram is affiliated with al-Qaida and has also aligned itself with the self-proclaimed Islamic State (ISIS). Although Boko Haram has weakened somewhat in the northeast, it still carries out devastating attacks in the Christian communities and on army units in the region. Boko Haram is also reportedly backing ongoing attacks on Christian villages by militant Fulani Muslims, who have concentrated their attacks in the central region of Nigeria. Terrorist groups and other Muslims in the north want to drive Christians out of the region and continue their push to create a separate nation governed by Islamic law. Source.
The above assertion that Boko Haram is affiliated with al-Qaida, is in no small way clarified in the analysis I previously cited.

Alongside conspiracy theories that purport to explain Boko Haram, there are four common but inadequate treatments.
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Third is the contention that the early Boko Haram was an extension of al-Qaida. ... The early Boko Haram occasionally voiced support for alQaida, but its messages mostly focused on Nigerian politics.
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Boko Haram’s eventual affiliation with the Islamic State may have represented a formal break with al-Qaida, but it is more likely that any relationship Boko Haram had with al-Qaida was patchy, informal, and marginal to its overall development.
Despite their slip up there, The Voice of the Martyrs does more than talk, and if you're genuinely concerned about the Christians suffering in Nigeria, they provide you ways that you can help right now. No need to wait on Trump.

Third, though any relief of Christian persecution is welcome, Trump is only talking tough here because Nigeria is a weak nation and Muslims are a easy target. Would he dare give China the same ultimatum?

Israel™? who is classified by the Voice of the Martyrs and right up there along with Nigeria and others as one of the nations actually hostile to Christianity.)

No. He can safely bellow and beat his chest with Nigeria and Boko Haram. But it's not really about the Christians there.

Fourth, you can't compare 40,000 deaths in 15 years with over 60,000, half of whom are children, in 2 years, but one can compare Isreal™ and the Zionist goal of a Jewish supremacist state with Boko Haram and its goal of Islamic supremacy. If what is going on in Nigeria is a genocide, Israel™ is perpetrating a holocaust, and not a few Jews say that it is doing just that.

Fifth, to answer your question, if I were President, would I step in? I would try to create an international coalition with Canada and Great Britain, to offer the Nigerian Christians and Muslims suffering there assylum in the U.S. and abroad. But I'd let God sort it out between Boko Haram and the Nigerian government.
 
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The idea that an anti-Semite on this forum would immediately make a moral equivalence between Gaza where the citizens not only voted Hamas into power but supported the terror attacks on October 7 where women and children were raped and beheaded; with our brethren in Africa where they are being murdered by the thousands for nothing more than claiming the name of Christ is despicable.

The dear pastor begging for help while standing over the bodies of Christians that were murdered is heartbreaking. Sometimes it takes more than a prayer or a “hang in there.” It takes action and I hope his prayer for help is not turned away because some Christians in America are only worried about me, myself and I. Please intervene President Trump!

 
The idea that an anti-Semite on this forum would immediately make a moral equivalence between Gaza where the citizens not only voted Hamas into power but supported the terror attacks on October 7 where women and children were raped and beheaded; with our brethren in Africa where they are being murdered by the thousands for nothing more than claiming the name of Christ is despicable.
You're woefully ignorant of both histories, but it isn't because their histories haven't been made known here, and through Jewish sources. You've purposely avoided any commentary that would threaten your favored notions, which means that not only are you woefully ignorant, but your willfully ignorant as well.

But it was you that brought Gaza into this, by implying that Israel™ is not committing a real genocide there, that they're only defending themselves, an old mantra that hasn't aged well at all.


The dear pastor begging for help while standing over the bodies of Christians that were murdered is heartbreaking. Sometimes it takes more than a prayer or a “hang in there.” It takes action and I hope his prayer for help is not turned away because some Christians in America are only worried about me, myself and I. Please intervene President Trump!

Yes, it is heartbreaking. I follow Christian persecution through VOM, and remember them as if I'm bound with them.

Do you think that Nigeria is the only place Christians are being killed? Did you look at the VOM map I posted? Do you want Trump to bomb them all, or only the Muslims?

And you're wrong. No one is being killed for merely being a Christian, and it's not only Christians being killed. It's also Muslims. The ones suffering at the hands of Boko Haram are suffering because they're not their brand of Salafi-Jihadis. Not because they're Christian or Muslim.

Trump's threats are not about the Christians. It's about the Muslims. And just like he ignored our own intelligence sources when he bombed Iran for Netanyahu, he is obviously listening to the same propagandists as you are in the case of Nigeria.
 
Tens of thousands of Christians are being slaughtered in Nigeria. If anyone on this forum were President, would you step in to help these people or would you turn a blind eye? Is there a difference between being entangled in endless foreign wars and temporarily stopping a true genocide taking place before our eyes? According the media, this has been a peaceful genocide of Christians.


Our president would never allow a genocide.
 
The idea that an anti-Semite on this forum would immediately make a moral equivalence between Gaza where the citizens not only voted Hamas into power but supported the terror attacks on October 7 where women and children were raped and beheaded; with our brethren in Africa where they are being murdered by the thousands for nothing more than claiming the name of Christ is despicable.

The dear pastor begging for help while standing over the bodies of Christians that were murdered is heartbreaking. Sometimes it takes more than a prayer or a “hang in there.” It takes action and I hope his prayer for help is not turned away because some Christians in America are only worried about me, myself and I. Please intervene President Trump!

And it took the IDF 2 hours to get there.
 
I'm am curious why the situation in Nigeria has become so critical at this moment. The killings have been going on for years. What changed?
 
I'm am curious why the situation in Nigeria has become so critical at this moment. The killings have been going on for years. What changed?
Like the highway patrolman says when asked why he got you for speeding when dozens of people have been passing you on the highway, "one at a time, one at a time". And even if Trump's motives are askew, which we don't know, can't we be thankful that the murder of (Christian, and other religious) people are potentially going to be curtailed?
 
Like the highway patrolman says when asked why he got you for speeding when dozens of people have been passing you on the highway, "one at a time, one at a time". And even if Trump's motives are askew, which we don't know, can't we be thankful that the murder of (Christian, and other religious) people are potentially going to be curtailed?
Yes, of course.

any relief of Christian persecution is welcome,

But none of the other nations are really in view, are they? Do you honestly expect this to be only the beginning? Are you looking for Trump to take this "one at a time" approach to any of the other hostile nations on this map? Are we now Crusaders?

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Then there's the other very real possibility of merely making matters worse. Any kind of "reform" will last only as long as Trump holds a gun to their heads. Do we now go occupy Nigeria?
 
Yes, of course.



But none of the other nations are really in view, are they? Do you honestly expect this to be only the beginning? Are you looking for Trump to take this "one at a time" approach to any of the other hostile nations on this map? Are we now Crusaders?
Are you suggesting that genocide is going on in these these nations on the same or similar scale it is in Nigeria?
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Then there's the other very real possibility of merely making matters worse. Any kind of "reform" will last only as long as Trump holds a gun to their heads. Do we now go occupy Nigeria?

Now this is a much more substantive question regarding politics and international policy. I'm not about to tackle that one in this limited space or with my limited knowledge, lol, except to say that I think we (The US government being the "we", not the church) don't need to be the world's police, nor should we be shouldering all the burden.
 
No. But it's being surpassed in Gaza.
It's a tragedy too, but Trump fought reasonably hard to stop it too. And I would argue we have more to lose by the destabilization of the middle East, which Israel serves as a hedge, than we do by a military intervention in Nigeria.
 
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No. But it's being surpassed in Gaza.
Gaza overwhelmingly voted Hamas into power and cheered the massacre on October 7. Gaza is a terrorist state that has vowed to wipe Israel off the map and you sit there making a moral equivalence between Israel defending herself against Islamic terrorists and Christians being slaughtered by the thousands. You should be ashamed.
 
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