Trump now STRONGLY DEFENDS Bill Clinton

The kind of leader who acknowledged his sin and was penitent, as opposed to the kind who does not believe he has anything to repent.

Note what happened to the kingdom under the rule of the penitent leader's not-so-penitent grandson.
I would also add that culpability for the kingdom turmoil that followed from David’s reign could/should not be disconnected from the judgments pronounced by God on David for his sin(s) in 2 Sam 12. So in that manner, “the buck stops here” shows the complexity of assigning complete praise and/or complete repudiation of a human leader’s legacy and effects.
 
Makes you wonder what kind of leader would steal a man’s wife, let blind ambition make him a bloodthirsty warrior, and self-reliant pride take count of what a great kingdom he had built.
The kind that when confronted with his sin crumbles in repentance.
 
It might be argued by the same logic that the Western policy of containment restrained Stalin and his successors, and ultimately defeated them.
It might be. Interesting to me that up until now it wasn't. 😉
 
I have never said Christians should never vote.
i know you never said it....... in fact you adamantly denied believing it... .... ....so..... once again .. (mr shuck and jive - then evade the point)..... ... explain this statement you made which appears to indicate you believe a christians vote is pointless...... .... if what you said below is true wouldn;t it be hypocritical allowing people to think you believe it;s ok for christians to vote?... even more hypocritical to make them think you voted?...

your statements on the matter contradict each other in spirit and tone... if not out right meaning... to me they would indicate one of them is an outright lie... but i;m sure you will brush that off with some more shuck and jive and evasion - your usual style..... ..

would it not be better for christians who lean toward the belief you expressed below to put their money - and their politics - where their mouth is? - and come out openly against the political process?..... .just tell people to sit back and trust God because He is in total control of it all anyway?... the statement below indicates you believe we have no say in the matter... ..our votes and our support of a candidate is meaningless... .


subllibrm - God appointed Mr. Biden to the position of President in authority over us. In the mystery of His will, He chooses to place immoral men in positions of authority to do things that moral men cannot do. 😎
also.... i think it important to note.... that if you really believe what you said above is true - you should be in total support of donald trump as he is God;s choice for president of our country........ all this griping and complaining - trying to put guilt trips on people the way you do - for simply supporting trump.. is you standing in open opposition to a decision God made.. .....
 
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*shrug* No one asked me.
he never asked any of us.. .. .... maybe he thinks he is on par with God - having the right and ability to reap where he never sowed... ..or hear peoples answers to questions he never asked..... ... i;ve known a few people in my life who had a god complex... he seems to be one who would fit right in with them.......
 
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No you just castigated us for who we voted for without revealing your perfect morally pure candidate!

You and you alone cast the perfect Christian vote.

Hallelujah!

i thought you might get around to demanding someone do that eventually..... you always do..... so let me remind you of when you asked me that before and the answer i gave you..... .... you still have not answered a single one of the items i listed - and i told you there was much more - all that had come from a single thread..... .. but what you do instead is sulk around the forum continuing to pretend you never said any of the things you are frequently called out on.... and ignore people when those things are pointed out......

in case you forgot - or your friend - who seems to never pay attention but always jumps to your defense - can;t rmember either - here is what you said along with the answer i gave you.........


Could you point to anything vile I directed at any individual here? And my OP on Donald Trump I made a statement. From there on, the assumptions about my voting and political leanings were coming fast and furious. The reason I didn't reveal my voting record was because the responses were more accusations that questions and I didn't feel l that I had any responsibility to "defend" my record against such baseless claims.
and my answer....

from the donald trump thread - post number 24... insinuating trump supporters have sold their souls....

also from the donald trump trump thread - post number 33.... insinuations that we have gay nephews and friends with trans daughters.... and that we would attend their gay and transgendered weddings ....if you had read the forum for a while you would have seen that i left my former church which i had once loved because they began performing gay weddings...

post number 42 from same thread... insinuating those of us on the forum who support trump would also support him shooting someone on 5th avenue...

post number 53..... saying it seems we have all abandoned our own conscience and engaged in tribalism where trump is concerned

post number 82... bringing up our mothers and saying we are acting as if you insulted them.... ..(there is nothing negative you could say about mine that would even come close to what i have said myself.... so that comment was actually laughable)

post number 105... you claim to be seeing tribal impulses here among trump supporters.... i gave up my right to be a member of the tribe i was actually born to in order to be part of a christian family.. why would i choose to join a political tribe?

and then there was the rorsarch test comment... as if you would have any clue how to create one or evaluate someone elses response to one... .... that alone is an insult to someone who has actually been subjected to real rorsarch tests and whose freedom coud depend on the outcome...

and that;s just from that one thread.... i haven;t even gotten to this one yet or your other threads.... .. do you want me to keep going?..... how are any of the things you said here less vile than a parent accusing school members with being complicit in grooming when they defend the schools action of placing vile and disgusting books supporting alternate lifestyles and of children undergoing sex change surgery in the school library?

you admitted you were laying bait in that thread..... what about this one and the other threads you made?...... if that;s not trollish behavior then what is?...... .... could it be the parents responding to the school board were laying bait for them?..... did the school board take that bait?..... doesn;t matter.... you seem to have swallowed enough of it for all them....
 
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i thought you might get around to demanding someone do that eventually..... you always do..... so let me remind you of when you asked me that before and the answer i gave you..... .... you still have not answered a single one of the items i listed - and i told you there was much more - all that had come from a single thread..... .. but what you do instead is sulk around the forum continuing to pretend you never said any of the things you are frequently called out on.... and ignore people when those things are pointed out......

in case you forgot - or your friend - who seems to never pay attention but always jumps to your defense - can;t rmember either - here is what you said along with the answer i gave you.........



and my answer....

from the donald trump thread - post number 24... insinuating trump supporters have sold their souls....

also from the donald trump trump thread - post number 33.... insinuations that we have gay nephews and friends with trans daughters.... and that we would attend their gay and transgendered weddings ....if you had read the forum for a while you would have seen that i left my former church which i had once loved because they began performing gay weddings...

post number 42 from same thread... insinuating those of us on the forum who support trump would also support him shooting someone on 5th avenue...

post number 53..... saying it seems we have all abandoned our own conscience and engaged in tribalism where trump is concerned

post number 82... bringing up our mothers and saying we are acting as if you insulted them.... ..(there is nothing negative you could say about mine that would even come close to what i have said myself.... so that comment was actually laughable)

post number 105... you claim to be seeing tribal impulses here among trump supporters.... i gave up my right to be a member of the tribe i was actually born to in order to be part of a christian family.. why would i choose to join a political tribe?

and then there was the rorsarch test comment... as if you would have any clue how to create one or evaluate someone elses response to one... .... that alone is an insult to someone who has actually been subjected to real rorsarch tests and whose freedom coud depend on the outcome...

and that;s just from that one thread.... i haven;t even gotten to this one yet or your other threads.... .. do you want me to keep going?..... how are any of the things you said here less vile than a parent accusing school members with being complicit in grooming when they defend the schools action of placing vile and disgusting books supporting alternate lifestyles and of children undergoing sex change surgery in the school library?

you admitted you were laying bait in that thread..... what about this one and the other threads you made?...... if that;s not trollish behavior then what is?...... .... could it be the parents responding to the school board were laying bait for them?..... did the school board take that bait?..... doesn;t matter.... you seem to have swallowed enough of it for all them....

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Or he was castigated for not being 100% Trump.
To be fair, I don’t think anybody here is 100% Trump (and certainly nothing near the extent of brainwashed like the 100% Hyles cult-like stuff). Not a single person who has challenged sub’s perspective has not likewise offered criticism of Trump’s personality and personal integrity.
 
To be fair, I don’t think anybody here is 100% Trump (and certainly nothing near the extent of brainwashed like the 100% Hyles cult-like stuff). Not a single person who has challenged sub’s perspective has not likewise offered criticism of Trump’s personality and personal integrity.
Agreed again. I voted for Trump three times but that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize him when warranted. As everyone knows, I’m a big Jimmy Carter fan, but I’m not 100% in support of him either. In fact, I’m planning to do a post in the future which will lay out my historical criticism of Carter. I think some people need to be able to do the same with Trump, Reagan, or whomever, otherwise one risks the cult of personality. The only one humans should ever have 100% loyalty to with no criticism attached, is Jesus.
 
Agreed again. I voted for Trump three times but that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize him when warranted. As everyone knows, I’m a big Jimmy Carter fan, but I’m not 100% in support of him either. In fact, I’m planning to do a post in the future which will lay out my historical criticism of Carter. I think some people need to be able to do the same with Trump, Reagan, or whomever, otherwise one risks the cult of personality. The only one humans should ever have 100% loyalty to with no criticism attached, is Jesus.
I will believe the Carter critique when I see it, lol.


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