A Serious Question...

[Baptist Renegade]

Even if you don't share their views, isn't it appropriate to abide by them if you're asking to enter & tour their private property? Would the purpose in refusing be to defy/offend? To take a stand against their practices? To draw attention to yourselves?

I don't consider the college an evangelical outreach program - it's (theoretically) a training ground for the already like-minded. I assume (or at least hope) the church itself doesn't turn people away based on attire, but see the college as something else entirely.

I'm an HBHS grad who, at 17, chose to (a) wear pants and (b) NOT attend HAC. WE don't have dress codes at our class reunions, but If I ever visit the old high school with the intent of going inside, I'll wear a skirt (if that's what their rules are.)

About ten years ago, we were visiting friends in San Diego and I decided to take my wife along and visit the IFB Church I had attended while I was in the Navy in the 1980s. She hadn't packed a dress and I didn't want her feeling uncomfortable so we stopped off at a Ross and got her something nice. A couple years ago, we visited a Reformed Baptist Church in Colorado Springs and all of the ladies were wearing dresses (and the men were wearing ties) but they didn't seem all "IFB" about it but she was somewhat uncomfortable. I think I have decided it may be a good idea to default to wearing a dress when visiting a congregation of which I am unfamiliar. Its not that we have convictions about it but as a matter of respect.

 

[Justice1976]

About ten years ago, we were visiting friends in San Diego and I decided to take my wife along and visit the IFB Church I had attended while I was in the Navy in the 1980s. She hadn't packed a dress and I didn't want her feeling uncomfortable so we stopped off at a Ross and got her something nice. A couple years ago, we visited a Reformed Baptist Church in Colorado Springs and all of the ladies were wearing dresses (and the men were wearing ties) but they didn't seem all "IFB" about it but she was somewhat uncomfortable. I think I have decided it may be a good idea to default to wearing a dress when visiting a congregation of which I am unfamiliar. Its not that we have convictions about it but as a matter of respect.

I started this thread and I want to make one thing clear: I am NOT suggesting that anyone should show up at a church, school, college, etc., with the intent to antagonize or challenge that institution's beliefs. I agree, if one knew that a particular place held a particular belief and they wanted to feel the full measure of hospitality, then by all means, they should behave accordingly.

My question was essentially, if someone -- not meaning to antagonize, challenge, disrespect, etc., -- did show up (in this illustration, a female in pants) simply to pay a well intentioned visit, would they be turned away because they (perhaps unknowingly) arrived in violation of such a belief. I believe Sherry's response, albeit from an incident that occurred many years ago, described such an occurrence where they were turned away.

 

[Dr. Duck]

I started this thread and I want to make one thing clear: I am NOT suggesting that anyone should show up at a church, school, college, etc., with the intent to antagonize or challenge that institution's beliefs. I agree, if one knew that a particular place held a particular belief and they wanted to feel the full measure of hospitality, then by all means, they should behave accordingly.

My question was essentially, if someone -- not meaning to antagonize, challenge, disrespect, etc., -- did show up (in this illustration, a female in pants) simply to pay a well intentioned visit, would they be turned away because they (perhaps unknowingly) arrived in violation of such a belief. I believe Sherry's response, albeit from an incident that occurred many years ago, described such an occurrence where they were turned away.

As I’ve stated twice…HAC now allows women to wear pants, so it seems moot now to worry.

 

[Dr. Duck]

BTW, it’s not been lost on me the dead silence regarding the fact that HAC now allows women to wear pants. I appreciate the question though because it got me doing some research on the topic. For example, I discovered that Liberty University didn’t allow women to wear pants until the early 2000s (https://www.liberty.edu/champion/20...edition of,to fall below two inches above the). What’s even more interesting is that some PUBLIC colleges in some conservative parts of the United States didn’t allow women to wear pants until the 1970s (https://www.digitalnc.org/blog/wome...ool-in-latest-1971-henderson-county-yearbook/).

Given the fact that most of you on this forum who attended HAC seem to be somewhere between ages 50s to nearly 70s, it really doesn’t seem that radical that a conservative Christian college expected girls to not wear jeans. It’s a little strange it took them until the year 2025 to change the rule, but it’s definitely not strange the rule existed back when you were a student.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

BTW, it’s not been lost on me the dead silence regarding the fact that HAC now allows women to wear pants. I appreciate the question though because it got me doing some research on the topic. For example, I discovered that Liberty University didn’t allow women to wear pants until the early 2000s (https://www.liberty.edu/champion/2010/10/08/ruling-liberty-how-the-rules-have-changed-since-1971/#:~:text=to the 1974 to 1975 edition of,to fall below two inches above the). What’s even more interesting is that some PUBLIC colleges in some conservative parts of the United States didn’t allow women to wear pants until the 1970s (https://www.digitalnc.org/blog/wome...ool-in-latest-1971-henderson-county-yearbook/).

Given the fact that most of you on this forum who attended HAC seem to be somewhere between ages 50s to nearly 70s, it really doesn’t seem that radical that a conservative Christian college expected girls to not wear jeans. It’s a little strange it took them until the year 2025 to change the rule, but it’s definitely not strange the rule existed back when you were a student.

You didn’t discover anything about Liberty as to women wearing pants.
In the early 70’s ladies had to wear dresses to class, and men were required to wear ties.
Women could and did wear pants outside of attending class.

 

[Justice1976]

BTW, it’s not been lost on me the dead silence regarding the fact that HAC now allows women to wear pants. I appreciate the question though because it got me doing some research on the topic. For example, I discovered that Liberty University didn’t allow women to wear pants until the early 2000s (https://www.liberty.edu/champion/2010/10/08/ruling-liberty-how-the-rules-have-changed-since-1971/#:~:text=to the 1974 to 1975 edition of,to fall below two inches above the). What’s even more interesting is that some PUBLIC colleges in some conservative parts of the United States didn’t allow women to wear pants until the 1970s (https://www.digitalnc.org/blog/wome...ool-in-latest-1971-henderson-county-yearbook/).

Given the fact that most of you on this forum who attended HAC seem to be somewhere between ages 50s to nearly 70s, it really doesn’t seem that radical that a conservative Christian college expected girls to not wear jeans. It’s a little strange it took them until the year 2025 to change the rule, but it’s definitely not strange the rule existed back when you were a student.

Could you please supply a different cite to your authority on an official change of policy. I'm having issues with the Tic Tock video.

Well, to answer the original question by @Justice1976, as of this school year, apparently HAC now allows women to wear pants (see post with video above). Case Could you please supply a different cite to your authority on an official change of policy. I'm having issues with the Tic Tock video.

As I’ve stated twice…HAC now allows women to wear pants, so it seems moot now to worry.

Could you please supply a different cite to your authority on an official change of policy? I'm having issues with the Tic Tock video by Sarah_g1303.

First, the video cuts several times and makes me think some of it may be AI generated. Second, I fail to hear the words "HYLES ANDERSON COLLEGE" mentioned. Last, I have looked at MANY recent photos of female students at HAC. The individual in this video bears none of the characteristics of any of the female students that I have observed. If you have any other citations to a change of policy, I would be interested in them. Thanks.

 

[illinoisguy]

My perception is that Christian colleges in general are easing up on the strict dress codes, because otherwise students will not attend schools with draconian dress codes, and such schools will go out of business.

Oral Roberts University used to advertise in Christian magazines that men were required to wear ties on campus. They had an ad showing a male student accidentally dipping his tie into his soup in the cafeteria. I couldn't figure out how such a policy would be considered an attractive selling point. In 2003 ORU dropped the tie requirement.

ORU's dress code for students relaxed

After nearly 40 years, Oral Roberts University is easing up on its strict dress code for students. Since the university started, male students have been required to wear ties to classes. Female

www.newson6.com

Even Pensacola Christian College now allows the women students to wear slacks for evenings and weekends:

"Women's Guidelines - Casual. . . . Appropriate both on and off campus on weekdays after 4:45 p.m., all day Saturday, and all day Sunday outside of services. Guidelines• Knee-length shorts• Athletic pants (wind pants, sweats), loose-fitting slacks, jeans, or capris • T-shirts, hoodies, pullover sweatshirts• Ball caps• Athletic shoes/flip-flops."

Similar restrictions appear to apply to female visitors to the PCC campus:

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"Dresses or casual skirts (knee-length) and shirts are appropriate while visiting classes, chapel, or church (no pants or jeans, please). Casual shirts and walking shorts extending to the kneecap or loose-fitting jeans, slacks, or capris are fine around campus after 5 p.m. or while enjoying the Sports Center. Pants are required for rock climbing."

 

[Dr. Duck]

Could you please supply a different cite to your authority on an official change of policy. I'm having issues with the Tic Tock video.



Could you please supply a different cite to your authority on an official change of policy? I'm having issues with the Tic Tock video by Sarah_g1303.

First, the video cuts several times and makes me think some of it may be AI generated. Second, I fail to hear the words "HYLES ANDERSON COLLEGE" mentioned. Last, I have looked at MANY recent photos of female students at HAC. The individual in this video bears none of the characteristics of any of the female students that I have observed. If you have any other citations to a change of policy, I would be interested in them. Thanks.

She is definitely not AI. She has 170,000 followers on TikTok and millions of likes. You can search her handle and find multiple videos online. I’m not a member of TikTok, but I can still see snippets of multiple videos. Incidentally, in one of her videos, she said she got suspended from her college due to her TikTok videos.

I’ll try to find the other source I had for the HAC rule change. I almost linked it the first time I posted but now can’t find it. Actually, it’s really hard to find anything online about the rules for that college for some reason. To be honest, there are barely any videos on YouTube about this college. Is it a really tiny college or something?

 

[Justice1976]

She is definitely not AI. She has 170,000 followers on TikTok and millions of likes. You can search her handle and find multiple videos online. I’m not a member of TikTok, but I can still see snippets of multiple videos. Incidentally, in one of her videos, she said she got suspended from her college due to her TikTok videos.

I’ll try to find the other source I had for the HAC rule change. I almost linked it the first time I posted but now can’t find it. Actually, it’s really hard to find anything online about the rules for that college for some reason. To be honest, there are barely any videos on YouTube about this college. Is it a really tiny college or something?

No offense, but you don't seem to know much about Hyles Anderson College. I have seen NUMEROUS photographs of female students taken this year and none of them show a female student wearing pants. The young lady in the video may have 170k followers but I'm betting she's never set foot in Crown Point, Indiana and probably knows no one who attends that school as current enrollment is reputed to be somewhere near 400.

Again, if you have other authority that the rule has been changed, I would like to examine it. Thanks.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

No offense, but you don't seem to know much about Hyles Anderson College. I have seen NUMEROUS photographs of female students taken this year and none of them show a female student wearing pants. The young lady in the video may have 170k followers but I'm betting she's never set foot in Crown Point, Indiana and probably knows no one who attends that school as current enrollment is reputed to be somewhere near 400.

Again, if you have other authority that the rule has been changed, I would like to examine it. Thanks.

He also incorrectly stated that female students couldn’t wear pants at Liberty in the 70’s…So, to put it politely, maybe he just shared bad info without confirming it.

 

[Dr. Duck]

He also incorrectly stated that female students couldn’t wear pants at Liberty in the 70’s…So, to put it politely, maybe he just shared bad info without confirming it.

Liberty Way undergoes massive overhaul | Liberty Champion

When Mark Hine, executive vice president for Student Affairs, came to Liberty University as a student in 1973, he was handed a small stack of papers with Liberty’s guidelines for students. The guidelines ranged from requirements for women to wear dresses or matching pantsuits, males and females...

www.liberty.edu

I’m literally posting Liberty’s own words and you don’t accept them.

 

[Dr. Duck]

No offense, but you don't seem to know much about Hyles Anderson College. I have seen NUMEROUS photographs of female students taken this year and none of them show a female student wearing pants. The young lady in the video may have 170k followers but I'm betting she's never set foot in Crown Point, Indiana and probably knows no one who attends that school as current enrollment is reputed to be somewhere near 400.

Again, if you have other authority that the rule has been changed, I would like to examine it. Thanks.

It’s true I don’t know much about HAC. I attended a state university. However, I grew up IFB so I understand the culture. My guess is they changed the rules and these girls are getting pressured into not adapting with them. Perhaps its pants allowed “only on paper.”

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Liberty Way undergoes massive overhaul | Liberty Champion

When Mark Hine, executive vice president for Student Affairs, came to Liberty University as a student in 1973, he was handed a small stack of papers with Liberty’s guidelines for students. The guidelines ranged from requirements for women to wear dresses or matching pantsuits, males and females...

www.liberty.edu

I’m literally posting Liberty’s own words and you don’t accept them.

I was there! In fact this weekend we attended a reunion for LU students in the 70’s.

Women were required to wear dresses to class but pants were allowed any other time. My wife wore pants on our first date…to our first football game. Men were required to wear ties to class…bit we didn’t wear them after class.

 

[Dr. Duck]

Women were required to wear dresses to class but pants were allowed any other time.

That’s my point! I never said women could never wear pants. Sheesh!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

That’s my point! I never said women could never wear pants. Sheesh!

I was responding to this;

Dr. Duck said:
BTW, it’s not been lost on me the dead silence regarding the fact that HAC now allows women to wear pants. I appreciate the question though because it got me doing some research on the topic.

For example, I discovered that Liberty University didn’t allow women to wear pants until the early 2000s

 

[Dr. Duck]

For example, I discovered that Liberty University didn’t allow women to wear pants until the early 2000s

My apologies for not making the distinction between Liberty girls being forced to wear Sunday dresses to daily classes but not having to wear a dress while rock climbing or riding a horse.

Better?

 

[Least of These]

If HAC has changed the dress code to allow pants on females (and I assume HBHS would do the same?), I'd be interested in hearing their justification. Are they saying they were wrong and it was never a sin? Or is it still a sin but one they're ok with?

 

[Sherryh]

BTW, it’s not been lost on me the dead silence regarding the fact that HAC now allows women to wear pants. I appreciate the question though because it got me doing some research on the topic. For example, I discovered that Liberty University didn’t allow women to wear pants until the early 2000s (https://www.liberty.edu/champion/2010/10/08/ruling-liberty-how-the-rules-have-changed-since-1971/#:~:text=to the 1974 to 1975 edition of,to fall below two inches above the). What’s even more interesting is that some PUBLIC colleges in some conservative parts of the United States didn’t allow women to wear pants until the 1970s (https://www.digitalnc.org/blog/wome...ool-in-latest-1971-henderson-county-yearbook/).

Given the fact that most of you on this forum who attended HAC seem to be somewhere between ages 50s to nearly 70s, it really doesn’t seem that radical that a conservative Christian college expected girls to not wear jeans. It’s a little strange it took them until the year 2025 to change the rule, but it’s definitely not strange the rule existed back when you were a student.

Girls didn't wear pants at college but when they got home they did lol. This makes me laugh now. My husband didn't like pants on women and I respected him for it. He passed away February 2023 and I now wear pants. I believe we were brainwashed in many areas .............

 

[Dr. Duck]

Girls didn't wear pants at college but when they got home they did lol. This makes me laugh now. My husband didn't like pants on women and I respected him for it. He passed away February 2023 and I now wear pants. I believe we were brainwashed in many areas .............

I think it’s admirable that you respected your husband’s wishes, even if you didn’t agree.

My mom is around 70 years old and didn’t wear pants until around 15 or 20 years ago. My parents attended BJU, so there were probably some similarities with HAC back when they attended.

I know BJU now allows women to wear pants. I’m not sure about HAC. I thought they did but I don’t know for sure because I can’t find much information online about them.

 

[Dr. Duck]

If HAC has changed the dress code to allow pants on females (and I assume HBHS would do the same?),

I haven’t been able to verify this, but the student in the video I linked was tagged to HAC (although perhaps erroneously).

What is HBHS?