Is the TR Equal to the Autographs?

Plowman said:
I said "holy men of God," not modern preachers. That would be preachers who understand the reality of possessing God's divine nature. 2 Peter 1:4
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I know what you said.
"Holy men of God" is a phrase you stole from a passage talking about how we got Scripture. I still say you are wrong to use it the way you did, notwithstanding your attempt to further muddy the waters.
 
JimKnox said:
My conclusion is that we have an exact inerrant, complete copy of an inerrant translation in the 1769 edition of the AV1611 and no other.
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Prove this to me. I know that you can't. What Paul was referring to in 2 Tim 3:16 is the words that the Apostles and their representatives put on paper, in Greek and Hebrew. Only the Greek writings are inspired and therefore innerant.
 
Bob Jones VI said:
Prove this to me. I know that you can't. What Paul was referring to in 2 Tim 3:16 is the words that the Apostles and their representatives put on paper, in Greek and Hebrew. Only the Greek writings are inspired and therefore innerant.
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That's ridiculous.
Paul was NOT referring to ANY Grrrrrreeeeeeek texts.
He was referring to the Canon of OT Scripture at the time.
Protestants say that was 39 books.
RCC says it was more than that.
Greek Orthodox say it was even more than that.
And the Ethiopian Coptics say it was even MORE than that still!
And don't even TRY to narrow down what the many Jewish traditions said at the time was the actual Canon of Scripture.
In summary: you're mistaken, misinformed or both.
 
JimKnox said:
I know what you said.
"Holy men of God" is a phrase you stole from a passage talking about how we got Scripture. I still say you are wrong to use it the way you did, notwithstanding your attempt to further muddy the waters.
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Quoting from the Word of God is stealing? I'm guilty.
Ask the Lord for wisdom. James 1:5.
Just as Holy Men of God spoke the word that gave us the bible, today, when Holy men of God, possessed by the divine nature, which is the life of Jesus Christ, speak, it is the word of God.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
JimKnox said:
That's ridiculous.
Paul was NOT referring to ANY Grrrrrreeeeeeek texts.
He was referring to the Canon of OT Scripture at the time.
Protestants say that was 39 books.
RCC says it was more than that.
Greek Orthodox say it was even more than that.
And the Ethiopian Coptics say it was even MORE than that still!
And don't even TRY to narrow down what the many Jewish traditions said at the time was the actual Canon of Scripture.
In summary: you're mistaken, misinformed or both.
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Peter thought that everything Paul wrote was Scripture: 2 Peter 3:15-16
He refers to Pauls letters then says the other scriptures, directly implying that Paul's letters are Scripture. And since all Scripture is inspired, or God breathed, Paul's letters are inspired, and Paul wrote them in Greek. (or Grrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeekkkk, as you say)

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
 
Plowman said:
Quoting from the Word of God is stealing? I'm guilty.
Ask the Lord for wisdom. James 1:5.
Just as Holy Men of God spoke the word that gave us the bible, today, when Holy men of God, possessed by the divine nature, which is the life of Jesus Christ, speak, it is the word of God.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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Yes. It is stealing when you misappropriate the phrase for your own ends.
 
Bob Jones VI said:
Peter thought that everything Paul wrote was Scripture: 2 Peter 3:15-16
He refers to Pauls letters then says the other scriptures, directly implying that Paul's letters are Scripture. And since all Scripture is inspired, or God breathed, Paul's letters are inspired, and Paul wrote them in Greek. (or Grrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeekkkk, as you say)

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
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See post # 124
 
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