Were any outside of Israel saved in the OT

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I have been reading Augustine’s City of God and am currently on Book 18 where he discusses whether “before Christian times there were any outside of the Israelite race who belonged to the fellowship of the heavenly city.” Augustine’s argument in Book 18 Chapter 47 is that Gentiles were saved in the OT who didn’t have the Scriptures given to the Jews and uses the example of Job. He teaches that men were given knowledge concerning Christ by bad angels who had confessed Christ, whom the Jews did not acknowledge. I’m not sure what Augustine is saying exactly.

Wherefore if we read of any foreigner — that is, one neither born of Israel nor received by that people into the canon of the sacred books — having prophesied something about Christ, if it has come or shall come to our knowledge, we can refer to it over and above; not that this is necessary, even if wanting, but because it is not incongruous to believe that even in other nations there may have been men to whom this mystery was revealed, and who were also impelled to proclaim it, whether they were partakers of the same grace or had no experience of it, but were taught by bad angels, who, as we know, even confessed the present Christ, whom the Jews did not acknowledge. Nor do I think the Jews themselves dare contend that no one has belonged to God except the Israelites, since the increase of Israel began on the rejection of his elder brother. For in very deed there was no other people who were specially called the people of God; but they cannot deny that there have been certain men even of other nations who belonged, not by earthly but heavenly fellowship, to the true Israelites, the citizens of the country that is above. Because, if they deny this, they can be most easily confuted by the case of the holy and wonderful man Job, who was neither a native nor a proselyte, that is, a stranger joining the people of Israel, but, being bred of the Idumean race, arose there and died there too, and who is so praised by the divine oracle, that no man of his times is put on a level with him as regards justice and piety. And although we do not find his date in the chronicles, yet from his book, which for its merit the Israelites have received as of canonical authority, we gather that he was in the third generation after Israel. And I doubt not it was divinely provided, that from this one case we might know that among other nations also there might be men pertaining to the spiritual Jerusalem who have lived according to God and have pleased Him. And it is not to be supposed that this was granted to any one, unless the one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 1 Timothy 2:5 was divinely revealed to him; who was pre-announced to the saints of old as yet to come in the flesh, even as He is announced to us as having come, that the self-same faith through Him may lead all to God who are predestinated to be the city of God, the house of God, and the temple of God. But whatever prophecies concerning the grace of God through Christ Jesus are quoted, they may be thought to have been forged by the Christians. So that there is nothing of more weight for confuting all sorts of aliens, if they contend about this matter, and for supporting our friends, if they are truly wise, than to quote those divine predictions about Christ which are written in the books of the Jews, who have been torn from their native abode and dispersed over the whole world in order to bear this testimony, so that the Church of Christ has everywhere increased.
 
Because of his testimony in Daniel chapter 4, I have always speculated that Nebuchadnezzar was a believer. That's not a hill I will die on but I find the change of attitude that came from seven years of being a vegan to be quite compelling.

It needs to be understood that salvation has always been by grace through faith regardless of which dispensation 😁😋 you are a part of. Abraham believed God and was counted as righteous.
 
Because of his testimony in Daniel chapter 4, I have always speculated that Nebuchadnezzar was a believer. That's not a hill I will die on but I find the change of attitude that came from seven years of being a vegan to be quite compelling.

It needs to be understood that salvation has always been by grace through faith regardless of which dispensation 😁😋 you are a part of. Abraham believed God and was counted as righteous.
Augustine seems to be saying that Gentiles without the direct revelation from the prophets of Israel through which we get the Scriptures, were saved by revelation received through bad angels who had knowledge of Christ in the OT.
 
Augustine seems to be saying that Gentiles without the direct revelation from the prophets of Israel through which we get the Scriptures, were saved by revelation received through bad angels who had knowledge of Christ in the OT.
Where did he get that?

Let's go to the tribal person in the jungle who has never heard of Christ. What do the scriptures say about him? Could this not hold true for all ages?
 
The coming of Christ was fulfilled by prophecy (18.46). If any non-Israelite were also to prophesy of Christ, that also is confirmation. What Augustine is saying is not that the non-Israelites had the truth revealed by bad angels. Rather, it doesn't matter whether they had the mystery of Christ revealed by the grace of God or by bad angels; they had the truth, and the Jews who had the Scriptures can't deny that there were non-Israelites who were part of the people of God, such as Job, an Edomite, by whose example we know that there were those outside of Israel who lived lives pleasing to God. Such people are not necessary to prove the faith, but they do show that the reach of God's grace was not limited to the Israelites.

I don't think the Dods translation is helping you. Maybe try a more modern one, like the Bettenson translation published by Penguin Classics.
 
Where did he get that?

Let's go to the tribal person in the jungle who has never heard of Christ. What do the scriptures say about him? Could this not hold true for all ages?
I heard an illustration many years ago by D. James Kennedy (a Reformed Presbyterian and Calvinist) in a sermon where he explained how those who have never heard the gospel will stand condemned before God in spite of their lack of knowledge. He said someone from a remote jungle would one day accuse God of being unjust by sending him to hell since he had no Bible or missionary to show him the light. God would say to him, "I put my law in your heart and you knew it was wrong to steal, you knew it was wrong to enter into your neighbor’s hut and commit adultery with his wife, you knew it was wrong to murder an innocent man who did you no harm, and you willfully did those things anyway. On that day every mouth will be stopped and all the world will become guilty before God (Romans 3)." Where do the heathen go? They go to Walmart, First National Bank, their child’s birthday party and every other place in America but, unless they hear the gospel, they will die without Christ.

The Jews weren’t saved because of their race any more than we are saved because we are born to Christian parents. But just as the apostle Paul said in Romans 10:13-14, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?” The only place in scripture where angels present the gospel is during the Tribulation period where they will preach the everlasting gospel to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people (Rev 14:6). Those today will not be saved without someone telling them the good news of salvation, and it was no different in the OT. I do believe that those chosen before the foundation of the world, God will somehow get the gospel to them.
 
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